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BG2 - Saerileth NPC Mod Review

Discussion in 'Mod Reviews' started by SuperNovice, May 25, 2006.

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  1. Vhailor

    Vhailor Justice is not blind, for I am her eyes ★ SPS Account Holder

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    as others have pointed out only use the saerileth mod if you wish to play saerileth gate: shadows of saerileth & throne of saerileth.
    just DL it & look through the banter/interjections this witch has so many you aren't gonna be able to go a minute without her saying something. And WTFudge is with the appearing/disappearing olde english crap ???
    speak one way or the other but not both !!!!!!!
     
  3. Vhailor

    Vhailor Justice is not blind, for I am her eyes ★ SPS Account Holder

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    To each his own, I suppose.
     
  4. Shaitan

    Shaitan Always forgive your enemies; it annoys them so

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    Indeed. Your very own :p
     
  5. Disciple of The Watch

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    Damn, here goes my secret. :rolleyes:

    Saerileth is still a POS mod. And what's with playing a good PC? Booooooooooooooooooring.

    *EDIT* Okay, guys, as promised I started the heartbreak death run... and I wanted to kill myself 10 minutes into it. Hope none of you is in a hurry, this run will progress VERY slowly...
     
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  6. Cal Jones

    Cal Jones I'm not dead yet

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    I am looking forward to your progress. :)
     
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    Even if I were to play someone with a good alignment this mod is one of the worst choices one can make. Horrible writing and mary-sueing together with idiots making the mod(something that shines through with their creepiness in the entire mod) and some completely illogical story elements.

    It doesn't help that every single person I've seen that has reccomended the mod has either been involved with it in some way or have been discovered to be a huge creephat.
     
  8. Amdis

    Amdis Note to self, claws are not toothpicks

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    So Vhailor and i are creephats...well thank you very much. :confused::rolleyes:

    I understand that the Saerileth mod is not for everyone, but i like it. IMO the mod is very well made and i have it installed again in my current game. You do not understand that some one wants to play this mod...but i do not understand the total witch hunt on the Saerileth mod.

    If someone wants to try the mod then download it and give it try, and after having played the mod then a person can realy say wether they like it or not. If you do not like it then simply do not download/install it. The makers of this mod worked long and hard on this mod, so a total witch hunt on the mod is not fair IMO.

    Register do not get me wrong here There are many reasons someone likes or dislikes a mod and that is fine. i did not write this to attack your own judgement...BUT i do not think it is fair that you call those people who use the Saerileth mod Creephats. It means you judge those people based on what they use in a game, you can not judge some one based on something like that.
     
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  9. Taluntain

    Taluntain Resident Alpha and Omega Staff Member ★ SPS Account Holder Resourceful Adored Veteran Pillars of Eternity SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) New Server Contributor [2012] (for helping Sorcerer's Place lease a new, more powerful server!) Torment: Tides of Numenera SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) BoM XenForo Migration Contributor [2015] (for helping support the migration to new forum software!)

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    As far as the name-calling goes, Amdis is right on this one, as our rules regarding it are quite clear.
     
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    So, the only reason I would ever consider installing the mod is because I've heard that you can side with the paladins in order to get to Spellhold. Now, my question is: does "She Who Must Not Be Named" have to be in your party for this to work? Or can you, just by virtue of having the mod installed, have that additional path opened to you?
     
  11. Disciple of The Watch

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    She stands straight in front of the Radiant Heart building and will come talk to you as soon as she spots you, so better find an alternate entrance.
     
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    Erm...so is that a "Yes, she has to be in the party to use the paladin path to Spellhold" or a "No, she doesn't have to be in the party to use the paladin path to Spellhold"?
     
  13. Shaitan

    Shaitan Always forgive your enemies; it annoys them so

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    That is quiet clearly a "maybe".
     
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    If I remember correctly (it's been a very long time since I've had BG2 installed on my PC, let alone examined this mod), the path to spell hold is triggered by an interjection, so yes, she has to be in the party. That said, I've heard tell that the third path was kind of buggy.
     
  15. Cal Jones

    Cal Jones I'm not dead yet

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    I read somewhere that someone always used the mod to get that option, but can't recall if he had her in party or not. Um, guess someone will have to play and answer that. Go the heartbreak route if you must. ;)
     
  16. Disciple of The Watch

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    It's not gonna be me, that's for sure. To make this run bearable I'd need the appropriate 'supplies', and I only have one half of the necessary supplies on hand.
     
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    I actually downloaded and the mod and played through a bit of the first chapter with her in my party (with a female PC and blissfully unaware of the little bomb I was carrying; if I'd played through it with a male PC, I would have uninstalled the mod ASAP as soon as I saw the choices for the first encounter). Even though I wasn't romancing her, she was still annoying to no end, constantly butting in with interjections everywhere. Yes, the rest of the NPCs also have various interjections, but I enjoy them because they're not commenting everytime I change my shirt or drop down the liquor store for a quick pick-me-up.

    Another thing that I've noticed their mods (having tested the Tsujatha mod a bit, which I'll probably end up playing with anyways, despite the fact that I want to punch Saerileth in the face; mostly because I continue on my fruitless search for a good romance for female PCs) is that mistreating them will result in the PC made into a mean-spirited ******* or something of the sort. Apparently disliking them is some sort of sin against the gods.

    The final straw for me while playing the game was the whole 'Saerileth is kidnapped by a demon, go rescue her RIGHT NOW!' quest. Most NPC quests at least give me some leeway for me to finish what I was doing before focusing on their quests, or at least there was some warning that stuff would be going down. I was really turned off that I was forced to essentially drop everything at that moment because Saerileth is just That Special!!!
     
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    If you found her painful without having romanced her, that's nothing to the pain of actually being loose in the attic enough to romance her. I wish suicide booths like in Futurama would exist every single minute I'm romancing her.
     
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    I gotta say I dispise this mod too. With all due respect, the creators haven't even ever been open to constructive critisism.

    Saerileth also stands out too much and her abuse of Parenthesis gets annoying REALLY fast. Honestly, they should've just written a story, which would have likely sucked, much like the one for Tsujatha (or at least, the preview they offer for it is very blocky!)

    Overall, one of the, if not THE worst mod I've ever played for BG, and that goes for in comparison to future mods.
     
  20. Taluntain

    Taluntain Resident Alpha and Omega Staff Member ★ SPS Account Holder Resourceful Adored Veteran Pillars of Eternity SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) New Server Contributor [2012] (for helping Sorcerer's Place lease a new, more powerful server!) Torment: Tides of Numenera SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) BoM XenForo Migration Contributor [2015] (for helping support the migration to new forum software!)

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    [​IMG] Edit: While I was writing my reply, one of our moderators has deleted the relevant posts above (yea, I'm not happy about that), so I'm going to post them here for the record:

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    SuperNovice wrote:

    I haven't been around in awhile and I have to say, I'm more than a little offended by this thread, offended enough I'm tempted to request that the entire thing be deleted.

    I wrote the review for this mod and quite clearly, I happen to enjoy it. I know not everyone will but that doesn't give anyone license to start accusing me of being a "creephat" or insinuating that I didn't give the mod a fair shot. For the record, I had nothing to do with the mod and my only interaction with anyone on the board it came from was to comment that I enjoyed the mod and direct them to this review.
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    martaug responded:

    Yeah well if you stay around here be prepared to be offended . . . a lot.
    We specialise in it.
    I'm pretty sure what tal will tell you if you request it be removed because YOU are offended & it probably isn't gonna be pretty.
    Have fun with the pink dragon of doom, we'll sweep up your sticky bones & ashes when he is done.
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    SuperNovice responded:

    I think I'll wait to see what Taluntain has to say about it. In any case, if I was banned for requesting that a thread be deleted that is not serving it's purpose and is only be used to insult people, I wouldn't be too broken up about it.

    While I doubt that's the type of moderation that is done around here, if it is, I don't have any desire to contribute anyway. A ban wouldn't even be necessary.
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    My own response:

    SuperNovice, we don't delete entire threads on request from anyone. Additionally, we don't allow for deletion of entire posts (especially when those posts have been there for more than 2 years and promoted in news articles on our own site as well as others) unless there is a very good reason to do so.

    In this case, your primary reason for wanting it gone appears to be resentment that people are criticising the mod (the insulting remarks have been addressed by me in this thread, so those shouldn't figure into the discussion). Now, I could understand that if you were the mod's author or affiliated with its creation in some way, but not if you are, as you claim, in no way connected. If you actually do respect people's opinions (whichever they may be), then you wouldn't be asking to delete an entire thread because you don't like what's being posted in it.

    When you post a review such as this one, it is normal to expect other people's opinions on it being posted in the comments. In this case they are mostly negative, but as most of them come from long-standing members of our community, they certainly aren't some random trolls' personal vendettas but simply an expression of how regular users feel about the mod. Not cushioned much, but not invalid by default because of that either.

    I feel that removing your positive review would be doing the mod more of an injustice (as it would leave fewer positive posts in this thread) than leaving it up. And now that we've both had our say in this matter (and since I don't expect anything productive arising from leaving this thread open for further discussion), I'm going to close it.
     
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