Yeah I was just wondering, what people think of Blink 182. I'll be honest here, i love them but i'm just interested in what other people think fo them. No bad feelings felt to those that don't like them ... until an argument ensues etc etc.

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Poll Results: Meeting Blink 182 times... (36 votes.)

Meeting Blink 182 times... (Choose 1)
* Yep! I love them silly! - 31% (11)
* It and, i mean, IT doesn't appeal to my ever exquisite tastes - 36% (13)
* I'm indifferent. So - so. Radio stuff etc. - 19% (7)
* Who? - 14% (5)

I don't like their music.

I'm actually indifferent to the band itself.

Blink 182 rocks. Musically and comically.

Well, I had to say that they don't appeal to my exquisite taste, but.. I don't really care. I don't hate them like I hate limp bizkit, I just don't think they're that interesting... the video where they dressed up in 70's stuff was cool, but apart from that it's just a bit too shallow for me.. I like music with some kind of purpose and meaning.. it doesn't hurt if it's original too. :D

That's my band! WOOHOO! Blink 182 rocks!!!!! I have all their cd's. I listen to them the most. Their also a big influnince on my gutar playing. There is no better punk band then blink! Yea there are better bands but no better punk bands.

I like about 3/4 of the blink songs i've heard (quite a lot of them). As with all my musical preferences i only care about the music.

P.S. has anyone heard the New Found Glory song 'My Friends Over You' ? Listen to various blink songs then listen to that. About every 3 seconds you'll be convinced your listening to blink because basically the music is very similiar (the same in places) to various blink songs and the about 1/3 of the lyrics are actually right out of various blink songs (sometimes rephrashed but if you know the lyrics well enough it gets very scary). Just thought i'd share this with you. Evil New Found Glory ripping Blink's songs! grr :mad:

[ August 03, 2002, 22:41: Message edited by: Lazy Bonzo ]

"Blink 182" is child's slop coughed up to serve expensive dinner to a loose-economy's teenagers.

All you are hearing is a fat paycheck for a bunch of fictional characters. Their musical value should be known as humiliating, but instead they are marketed to teenagers who are gullible to literally anything that is loud, obnoxious, and rebellious...

...though these I have no problem with (guaranteed, I enjoy heavy metal when misanthropic and pissed off), but the detention and expulsion of other musical (as well as emotional) genres which is imbued into the listener after hearing the music, especially to the targeted youth audience, is loathsome.

Music is the performance, the communication, the language, of raw emotions. Blink 182 is the literal equivalent to a bubbling infant jacked up on steroids - supplies a quick, delightful feeling of power and rebellion for a teenager, then the darkness returns and your money is gone to someone you only know from phony, fictional music videos.

Some music has lasting impression of exhilaration, sorrow, contentendness, serenity, or one of a trillion other emotions, but usually those emotions are enjoyed for people who can fathom experiencing them. Blink 182 procures your money in trade for taking your time - and thus, why is it so popular?

Nothing is popular without amazing skill, talent, or newness behind it. Therefore, it can be concluded that Blink 182 is fueled by marketing and marketing alone.

'Each to his own opinion,' as it should be.

Although I do say the intentions of any person, be in in music, politics, marriage, or any other arrangement, should always benefit the purchaser somehow. Blink 182 is a drug to keep your money flowing into that loud, putrid, gawking teenage mouth in the music video which you enjoyed so much.

If you want to kill me for this post, please do so through email - Xaelifer@aol.com

LOL. Xaelifer, you are out of control.

It is obvious that anyone who thinks Blink 182 *is* a punk band -- let *alone* the best of that genre... has not heard much punk. Doesn't it seem incongruous that they are a Top Ten, MTV, major-label band? How often is it going to happen that something truly subversive -- which punk must be by definition -- is going to get that kind of support from huge multinational corporations?

Yes, I know it *has* happened -- but not often, and never to that extent. Punk is not a beat or a distorted guitar sound or some guy yelling -- it is anti-*something*, it is a reaction against the status quo.

How does Blink 182 meet that definition?

Blink 182 have some good songs but are definatly not ranked as one of my all time favourites. I realy liked Damnit and Adams Song though. What was unmeaningful about these?

How can you like them, do they not make your stomach crawl?! Christ, they're nearly as bad as Gareth Gates!!!
All they sing about i how they love girls in a really annoying teen way. In that high voice, all their songs sound the same too! Yuck yuck yuck. I remember some wise words herf once said to me, "they're a commercialised boy-band".

Blink 182 are cool, i have their first album which most of i enjoy but ofcourse they are some shockers.

The second album i did not buy since i was informed by my fiend that the only good song on there is Rock Show. So i didnt end up getting the album.

But overall i think they are a cool band, nothing extraordinary but cool. :eek:

Woohoo! Fun time! Where do I start or beating back those that insult the cult? :D

Xaefiler,
but the detention and expulsion of other musical (as well as emotional) genres which is imbued into the listener after hearing the music, especially to the targeted youth audience, is loathsome Wouldn't that also include your taste in Heavy Metal? As for Blink 182 being there just to enfuse the youth with adrinaline rushes and a sense of rebellion, I must contest that. I mean, howabout this fora taste of emotion and indepth stuff. Blink 182 send their messages in a lighter hearted kind of tone. Something that can be taken in a fun way and not into brooding depression style.

And also who says that music has to have outstanding stuff to be good? A band doesn't have to have amazing or blinding solos and riffs to make a point. Sometimes too many riffs and solos can be a mind number. Sometimes keeping simple is the best way for a point to be put across. Its also easier on the listener to take in.

Methylviolet
You say that those that think Blink 182 are the best punk band havn't listened to much punk. Wrong! I've listened to absolutely tonnes of punk bands (some being famous such as 'Green Day' and some being not so famous such as '4ft fingers') and i can honestly say that Blink 182 is the band that appeals to me the most. Sure the other bands are great and i have their albums etc. but i can honestly say that Blink 182 are my favourite.

Z-Layrex
Think about it. How many songs are there that aren't exactly connected to love? Yes there be a few but most contain some hint of love or bonding in them. Death of a friend, War, straight forward love, puppy love, family, broken homes etc. all have an element of love and bondage in them.

Gormenghast,
Enema od the State isn't the bands first album. Its their 4th. Take of your pants and Jacket is their 6th etc. Their 1st - 3rd are as follows:
Cheshire Cat
Buddha
Dude Ranch.
But that aside, get their latest album. Its good stuff! :p

What else? ah yes, dragonRider Skyward, if you have the time, dig up my old topic ... i can't remember off hand but it has something to do with guitaring ... post your thoughts there and how Blink influences you.

*Breathes deeply*
Okay thats my token of peace over :)

[ August 03, 2002, 19:07: Message edited by: Sniper ]

Methylviolet:

"Out of control"? Blegh. What, exactly, are the forums for?

Realize that this 'subversive' music is exactly what millions of teenagers are willing to pay for. Huge multinational corporations? Like what? America Online? Microsoft? Of course not!

I mean that this teenage drivel has the potential to make billions, which is its entire purpose. This band was designed, created, and clothed by a low-key phantom corporation to inherit easy money from teenagers. These are people who seek out new impressions that teenagers will pay big money for - I've seen it myself. They search for something cool and use it. Even if the band started out as a musical persuasion, they were sucked in by these phantom corporations who wish simply to market them.

Their purpose is the money.

Sniper:

Wouldn't that also include your taste in Heavy Metal? Correct. The emotions drawn from you like blood by the music are not the problem.

The problem is that Blink 182 is merely a vessel of monotonous teenage idiocy. My heavy metal (which I listen to about once a year) I listen to only when I feel misanthropic and pissed off, like I said. I also listen to anything else when I feel like it.

But when some dumb teenager restricts himself to hearing ONLY Limp or Blink, he shares views that other types of music are stupid - indefinitely. This does, as you seem to think, occur with Heavy Metal - but I, however, do not overuse listening. I am not shallow enough to only listen to Heavy Metal, and thus, I don't fall for their views. Who do you know that enjoys a good ear-spanking by Blink and then a tootsie dance by Beethoven? One punishes the other.

Bands must have something to give them fame. I don't care how good they are, but to be famous requires something new. And Blink 182's fame is fake and cheesy.

I mostly agree with Xaelifer. The music of today is a product that a group of people produce. It isn't a art form anymore. Anybody can (and it seems like everybody does) make a song nowadays. They can't sing. Their voice is rescrambled by a computer, all the music is put together by a computer. They might play the music themselves, but it is combined by a computer, which chooses the best parts and just puts them together. There are almost no good bands nowadays. The thing that is called music has commercialized and Blink 182 is just an example of this. Bands might get fame, but it mostly it isn't because of their musical talents, they're a product with action figures and their own clothes. Music of this time isn't legendary anymore. The bands of this time disappear as quickly as they appear. Music means only money nowadays. Punkbands who can't make good music and only yell a bit with some slashing on a guitar or boy bands who seem to only be in the business to get chicks. Rappers don't have a message, they just wanna shock people. You can notice music of this day is to commercialized by the way people handle their fame. They are famous because they produced a record and think suddenly they can act to. Well, they aren't famous and in ten years only a few will remember their names. Why do you think that in the charts of best songs ever only older songs are in the top ten or top hundred even. Those songs leave a legacy. Most music of nowadays is just crap, there are a few exeptions however.

[ August 03, 2002, 23:03: Message edited by: Silverblade ]

Xaelifer, I agree with a lot of your views on this subject but you seem to be using the word "teenager" very loosely.

What you said applies to some of todays teenagers however in this case you cannot generalize the populations youth.

Xaelifer, you misunderstand. I meant "out of control" in the kooky, wild, *admirable* sense -- I certainly did not mean that someone ought to control you!

And it is not packaged "subversion" -- this pap that pumps the nads and burns off teen rebellious energy -- but actual subversiveness that I admire in the best punk rock.

Blink 182? Manufactured Boy Band. My favourite saying in the world.

It's bands like these that give rise to the masses of skateboarding trendies trying to be "Alternative," they just don't realise that because so many of them are "Alternative" they just aren't "Alternative," they're the norm nowadays.

Blink 182 aren't original, all of their stuff is digitally recorded and touched up with todays vast knowledge of music... And the result shows it.

The band are told what to wear, their viedos are all planned and pictured by other people, they are told what music to play, what words to sing, when to eat, when to sleep and when to piss. Manufactured. To me, bands like this are no better than Britney Spears or [insert name of any manufactured boy band here]. And that's saying something.

Why do you put so many freakin' excuses behind this? The only reason you need to tell us is that you think it's too damn mainstream for you. Why the hell are you writing all these long posts out?!

We say that Blink 182 aren't original. But which bands are? Right now none. All bands are derived from an influence and not their own. The only bands that have a tint of originality about them are the ealry punk / rock bands. After that, its all kaput! Hell even Nu metal aint original. Its a mixture of certain styles tried and tested.

As for what songs Blink 182 write and what they are told to do. I think not. Sure they are whacky and light hearted but whats wrong with that? Nothing. And it isn't exactly like pop stars where they do have everything done for them. As for computerized effects. Nah. All thats happened is extra tracks been layed on top. Eg. another guitar piece. As for vocals. they sound the same in their tracks as they do live.

Okay, whose up for round 3?

note: does it really matter?

Xael, have you heard any of the songs off Dude Ranch or any earlier album? While I agree that everything Blink has put out post DR has been that unbearably crappy, "look at me, I'm a *punk* version of NSYNC" trash, the early albums were pretty good. They are one of the few bands I ever describe as having sold out

Their new stuff is not as good as their old but I'm with Sniper here. Just because they're not totaly serious doesn't mean that they cannot be good.
Lets go for round three.

Xaelifer, I'd say you're a bit out of line here with your comments about metal. Maybe I didn't get you right, but it seems like you are listing metal under the type of music that is "marketed to teenagers who are gullible to literally anything that is loud, obnoxious, and rebellious...", or that you are saying that the "detention and expulsion of other musical (as well as emotional) genres" is relevant to metal?

I disagree with both statements. People who say that metal picks money out of some deprived teen's hands by giving him a 5 minute adrenaline rush and a sense of power and agression, don't know much about metal at all.
First of all, not all metal offers agression. There are many sub-genres in both rock and especially metal, with the latter being a sub-genre of the first. The complexity of these divisions of metal is really immense. Many of them intervene and "borrow" elements from the other, and are often combined with different types of music, like classical (duh!). A lot of metal uses complicated arrangements, not-so-average lyrics (which can make your grandma faint), and other aspects which don't make it very popular and easy to listen.

And yes, there is a lot of rebel spirit in metal, and some people could say that, while pop music serves just to make money out of the mainstream public - metal serves as a tool for making money out of others, who want to be different, rebellious, etc. I wouldn't agree with that. It is a sad fact that all music must make profit in order to exist. But comparing metal to the mtv's golden goose bands doesn't meet common sense. Metal is not very profitable. Many bands can't even live normally out of the records sale and often have regular jobs along with playing and touring. Of course, there are bigger bands such as Maiden, but those are nothing compared to the others which have paved their way to fortune via agressive marketing and constant radio play.

About shunning other tastes, I can say that there is no truth in that. Here's a little history lesson: metal, as a heavier derivate from rock inherited it's way of costructing a song which uses mainly minor pentatonic and BLUES scales (speaking about guitar solos here, an unavoidable aspect of metal). Many guitar players naturally took up to alot of CLASSICAL influences using melodic and harmonic minor scales and scale modes, arpeggios, legato playing...etc.
So, when we are talking about that, I think that many metal fans like and respect other types of music. Musicians certainly drag a whole lot of influences. I could speak about it for days.
Even though I never really bought a jazz cd or never really understood jazz, I absolutely hold the greatest admiration to the kind of musicianship and skill that means complete improvisation. And I like metal...

So metal really doesn't barr other musical genres. People who stick to only one type of music and trash all others really don't deserve a comment.

And Xaelifer, if you say that you listen to metal once in a year, I would really want to know which are those bands you cathegorise as metal...

I think this also sums up my opinion about Blink 182. A product, nothing more, nothing less.
Sniper, if you want to become a good guitar played, I'd advise you to seek other influences.
And, originality exists. Check out Dream Theater, for instance. Nu-metal doesn't even deserve to be mentioned...

Dream Theater Rocks! :D
Portnoy is one of the best drummers ever.

@Elendil
I don't think the Xae said that marketed to teenagers who are gullible to literally anything that is loud, obnoxious, and rebelliousfor metal but for Blink 182.

Wow, to tell you the truth i wouldn't have even guessed that they had 6 albums out. Wow, so they have been out quite a while.

Thanks Sniper, i will take advice and i will go and get it. :thumb: :D

Elendil, I don't just reflect upon Blink 182 only for my guitaring style. I do look at other bands and I do not just lock myself to just one genre of music. I listen to a variety.

Examples of other bands:
Queen
Fleetwood Mac
Iron Maiden
AC/DC
Pink floyd
The Offspring
Papa Roach
Feeder
System of a Down
[Spunge]

I have a load more but thats just to name a few. Anyways, as for Dream Theatre, i have heard them and I must admit, their playing style doesn't appeal to me though the bassist is a kewl dude.

Alright...let's go down the list here.

Aziraphale: Yes, you are correct. I should specify that select numbers, not all, of the teenagers are influenced by everything I said. (Sigh)...generalism is the eleventh sin...

Methylviolet: Whoops!

Herf: I love you. Will you marry me?

S Goddess: Eeek! Excuses! Excuses! Where? Where! Why? When? For what? Oooh, I hope they aren't long, boring, and literate excuses! (note to self: bluhhhhh...)

Sniper: Hmm. It depends on what you mean by 'original'. If you mean "not copied from something else; fresh; inventive", then I'd have to disagree. Every band is slightly more original, no, no, slightly different than the rest - just some more than others. Blink 182 is on the low end of the scale, because it delivers the same sound of ten thousand other bands around the world. The high end of the scale is filled by bands with extreme new sound and approach to music...oh...lessee...: Dave Matthews Band is possibly the most 'original' band of the last two decades. Blues Traveler is still around. Bela Fleck and the Flecktones are extremely original, along with each of their single bandmembers' CDs.

I do agree that there are fewer good sprouts now then in the past.

Erm...I've been saying all along that Blink 182 was created for a market, and since their creation, they've simply been dancing puppets for a huge, huge, huge corporate paycheck. Thus, yes, everything is planned out and written for them. This probably includes song lyrics to charm the teenagers, although their music is so easy to write and play you could do it without arms, legs, or brain whilst being trampled by a herd of elephants.

(Note: If you want to have a little influence on the guitar, get some things by these people:

John Mclaughlin (I think that's how you spell it)
Victor Wooten
George Benson
Andres Segovia
Tim Reynolds

-these are some of the most influential guitarists of all time. Don't restrict yourself to music you like, either, if you ever want to be really good.

And if you want kazoo lessons, just ask!)

Elendil: Yeah. Generalized again. Sure, you could point out the good apples, but bringing out the bad ones usually saves more lives, if you get my meaning. I would agree that some Metal has a style and influence all its own, without greedy standoffs.

Oh, and...uh...EVERYTHING comes from Blues scales. Blues is the grand-daddy of modern music; the only other daddy is classical (and blues has many more children - cause "all God's children got blues"). Metal is simply a use of the pentatonic scale in a different way, speed, size, blah, blah, what have you? It's the same way with rock, jazz, new age...

But the musical influence of Metal has nothing to do with anything I said. And I didn't really categorize it into "marketed to teenagers who are gullible to literally anything that is loud, obnoxious, and rebellious..." either.

***ROUND 4... And right here in your very own Sorcerer's Place, in the corners are:

I'm not going to arguee with any one but just to let you all know how much I like Blink 182....I have all 6 of their cd's.

Xaelifer, please name all of these so called copyed bands(this is people that Blink 182 copied off of, people who copy off them are been unoriginal, not Blink 182)

And there off for round four with Dragon Rider Syward taking a weak swing at no one and Zaknafein on a cautious attack against Xaelifer...

Yeah, Dream Theater is brilliant! Portnoy is great, but the main reason DT is that good is definitely John Petrucci! :thumb:
Viva Majesty! :roll: :spin: :)

Sniper, good pick with May, Young, Murray-Smith-Gers, for a start. I'd personally remove Papa Roach...just my opinion. Of course, it's up to you to decide about your influences.

Xaelifer, I wasn't pointing out just the good apples. I was saying that metal is a very dubious genre when it comes to market value. It seems to me you don't know much about metal. The difficulty of playing metal is second only to jazz and classical. It is very demanding. Requires a huge dedication to the instrument. And you won't get much with it. More probably, you won't get anything...
So, why then bother with scales? Why bother with harmonies? Why bother with harmonics? Why even bother trying to learn how to play good? Why bother with vocal training?
Isn't it much more simpler just to patch two power chords and serve the masses "Nookie"?
Or just start a boy band?
And, since you are such a huge Dave Matthews Band fan, didn't they hit it big on MTV with "The Space Between"? I'd say that gives them a greater commercial edge than any metal band I can think of...

When I was stating the influences and the roots of metal I was trying to proove that the "detention and expulsion of other musical (as well as emotional) genres" isn't a metal thing, and that it definitely isn't "imbued into the listener after hearing the music...". Such a thing depends solely on the narrowness of one's mind...

Metal is simply a use of the pentatonic scale in a different way, speed, size, blah, blah, what have you? It's the same way with rock, jazz, new age...What's this? Are you saying that those types of music solely differ on the use of the pentatonic scale? I think you know well that the solos, especially in metal, not to mention jazz, go far beyond the simple pentatonic...
PS. I'd really like to know the names of your metal bands. Really...

[ August 05, 2002, 15:16: Message edited by: Elendil ]

This comes to mind...when did most of you blink 182 fans start to like blink?

Elendil, sure Petrucci is a great guitarist, but I am playing drums, so as you can understand I can't have a guitarist as an influence :D :p The reason why I like Portnoy is especially for his technique. He doesn't play very fast (like Hellhammer, for example), but very technically and moreover most of the Theater songs have difficult drum tabs.

On a side note to something Xaelifer said, one of my favorite lines is "Country and the blues had a baby, and they named it rock'n'roll" A nice description of rock's roots.

Yea there are better bands but no better punk bands. Uhhh...have you ever heard of The Offspring, or Green Day?!?!?! Don't get me wrong, I love Blink 182, but I think The Offspring and Green Day are way better...but thats the only punk I like...I prefer: Rob Zombie, Metallica, Rage Against the Machine, Korn, Sublime, Godsmack, and Smashing Pumkins. Expect a new poll on music soon... :rolling:

bloody hell, go away for a few weeks and the world turns topsy-turvy. here we have several people agreeing with xaelifer. what's going on?

i think blink 182 are far too catchy for their own good. they'll never be taken seriously as a metal band because of their massive teeny-bopper fan base, which they continue to pander to... but mostly because their songs get into my head and refuse to leave, even when asked nicely.

Well, I'm leaving this one up to you. I'm sorry, but I can't list a bunch of bands that Blink 182 copied off of, or Metal fans adore. Moreover, I don't care enough to. Why? Well...

Bite, you get bitten
Fight, you get fought
High on the pulpit
It does mean a lot

Fanning the flames
with opinion of fire
Change was the promise
but Change is a liar

So here - on the deathbed
We look back a lot
That Fire was for change
--But now... it's for naught.

LOL The God! thats good!

Round 4:

Eh ... Xaelifer, whats that all about? the whole lyric thing?

DragonRider SkyWard, in all honesty, i first heard the Enema of the State album and i loved it! Since then I've been collecting their albums and all i have left to aquire is their Buddah album.

Xaelifer
Blink 182 is on the low end of the scale, because it delivers the same sound of ten thousand other bands around the world I think you'll find that other bands have their sound based on Blink 182. Quick examples are 'Sum41' and 'New Found Glory'. Then again, they have a slightly different sound from each other just like every other band i've heard and I'm open to those that think otherwise.

Thus, yes, everything is planned out and written for them. This probably includes song lyrics to charm the teenagers, although their music is so easy to write and play you could do it without arms, legs, or brain whilst being trampled by a herd of elephants. I think not. We are not talking about Pop here. Also, if you actually listen to their riffs, you'll find that they aren't exactly what we call 'easy'. Actually, have you heard all of their songs? I doubt it. I mean, sure songs like 'All the small things' are pretty much pure power chords etc. but have you heard their more intelligent songs like 'Stay together for the kids', 'Story of a lonly guy' and 'Carousel' to name a few?

Either ways, if we want to talk about guitaring influences, dig up my old thread and post them there. Not here.

Note: round 4 midway, Sniper swings at all that have a hint of 'anti' in them :p

I'd say that Xaelifer wants to say that there is no point in arguing about the topic (and beyond) anymore.
But I don't agree. I'm always here to argue :evil:
And, if Xaelifer has backed up - that means I can celebrate my victory! :p

Sirdan, unlike you, I'm playing a real instrument which takes a lot more to learn than a pile of boxes and trash cans... :p :p

That basically means that, while you're playing Portnoy, I'm still stuck with "Old Mac Donald Had A Farm"... :wail:
And again, I eagerly join your praises of MP.
Hellhammer? Umm, sounds familiar...Is that a black metal related drummer?

Tom delonge was voted no.46 best guitarist ever ... thats ahead of the greenday guy ... kewl! Hmm ... guess Blink 182 can't be as bad as half the people say then :evil:

Round 5?