Sorry guys I'm annoyed right now and i know I can let my steam off here (if you dont like it delete the topic or something)

Right as some of you know I straightedge. I don't drink, smoke or do drugs. That's my choice - i don't care what you think.

My mate has just for the last 15 minutes on the phone gone on and on and on at me about how stoned he gets and how pissed he gets and how many cigarettes he smokes in a day (it something really stupid like 20) and really guys, I am sick of hearing about it.

And not only that, whenever I mention it people always call me a boring bastard or something like that, you know what, I might just shitcan the whole idea and get pissed every night if thats what this ****ing society wants me to do.

Godammit.

O..kay. Hope you feel better now.

Way to go! I respect that. I don't smoke or do drugs either (I have asthma which is a neat excuse if anyone tries to pressure me into smoking), but I must admit to having given into peer pressure and started drinking. I know that it is very annoying having people go on and on about how much fun they're having getting drunk, smoking, taking drugs whatever. You do know that there was some kind of study found out smoking makes you impotent....see how your mate reacts when you casually drop that in after he's gone on about his twenty fags.

My main problem is that I genuinely feel that I'm not having as much fun as everyone else - and at the same time, doing less work. Sometimes I have the sneaky suspicion that if I drink as much as everyone else, I'll enjoy myself more, I'll be more motivated to work, the "Dutch courage" will actually enable me to speak to women who are more drunk than I am and therefore fail to notice my obnoxious personality - and generally my life will become as wonderful as everyone else's.

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Gash, you don't need to smoke or drink or do drugs if thats not what you want to do.
If drugs and cigs pop the weasel for your friends let them do it, just tell them to shut the hell up about it.
Personally i've done too much **** like that and I wish i hadn't, at the time I thought it was great and it was a great laugh but looking back now, i just think, what the hell was the point in it?
Sure it was good but it was a waste of time, it's damaged my health, done irreversible damage and the cons far outweigh the pros.
And i don't care what anyone says, i have a ******** more fun now without the aid of alchol and drugs.

Gash, you have chosen wisely. If your friends want to shorten their lives with that kind of stuff, it is their choice. You don't have to follow them.

Hmm, I drink occasionally and avoide sports but I don't smoke and I don't use drugs (except the socially accepted ones - especially coffee, tea, cacao, chocolate).

I mainly agree to Baldak - personally I found people smoking their joints pretty uncommunicative - I find that at least *I* can better enjoy an evening when beeing awake and not drunk and stoned. Their fault.

On the other hand, observing people who are drunk/stoned/wasted can be rather fun, particularly if they are the "happy drunk" type. :D :grin: :D

Your choice is only that matters.

And to your narcissistic phone-pal just mention that I smoke 3 packs of cigarettes each day (that's 60). Is he cool now?

Crack makes ya think.

Yet again I find people on these boards have made the smart decision. Good Job, and dont worry you aren't alone in theworld on fnon conformism.

sober people scare me!

I used to do a lot of drugs, also sold them (seemed like a good idea then). Now at first, when I was sixteen, and I'm hanging out with the DJ at the club, and the bands that play there, and we are doing all this exciting fun stuff -- it was great, I didn't get arrested or kill anyone with my car, so I thought drugs were a really positive thing in my life. But one day I looked around at these same friends, still as smart and kind as ever, but all we do is go to some guy's house we don't even like (who's holding), get wasted and watch television. Hmm.

This is true: all drugs are medicine. If it is painful in your own head, getting out of your head for a few hours feels good. But you are only treating the symptoms, and one day you'll want to treat the problem. Disagree with me if you want, you herbalists, but anyone who does any drug -- cigarettes, alcohol, crack, marijuana -- *regularly* is medicating the symptoms of some head-wound.

Who is anyone to say they shouldn't? -- it beats suicide. Hopefully in time they grow the guts to go straightedge. Hey, one day *I'll* grow the guts to go to a party without my pack of Marlboro Light Pacifiers.

No no, their satisfying their oral need, from childhood. Ho ho, any other freudians around? :D

Anyway, I'm a social drinker. I drink, coz it tastes good, meaning I don't drink strong liquors, since they don't taste good to me. People tell me whiskey is an aquired taste, but why the hell would I want to aquire that taste? Same goes with coffee for me. I don't drink to be social, I drink socially, there is a difference.

It's really a matter of values. I can't justify fogging my own mind. I like my brain. Numbing it just to enjoy life more is... denying reality. Reality may suck, but it is the only reality you have, so you better make the most of it, instead of running away from it.

"remember, they Fog the mind, as the Cleanse the body" - Anyone remember? :roll:

Gash I'm glad you think your "friend" is talking a bunch of **** about smoking and drugs. My friend already suggested that she was gonna do weed this year. I told her it was stupid but she wouldn't listen and I haven't talked to her since. But I'm glad you made the right choice, even though your friend was being stupid.

I'm straight edge, so are both of my roommates. My x-girlfriend and I met at college. She thought me and my two roommates were the biggest stoners on campus, go fig. Actually, she started taking an interest in me because I looked like a druggy (I guess the way I look and the way I dress, I don't know). After she got to know who I really was, she quit smoking pot and we eventually started going out. It was great while it lasted. I still think she quit for me though, that pisses me off.

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I honesty do not feel Cannabis to be strong enough to be a hard drug. Smoking it is bad for you lungs, but eating it is not bad for you at all. (Its rather expensive though.) I recomend NOT tabbooing your freinds because of cannabis, just choosing not to do it. Your choice to excist three dimentionaly is your own option.

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....and what does that mean?

I find it really stupid the way you can judge people on the amount of foreign substances they ingest into themselves.

Judging people on anything like that - amount of alcohol consumed, grades, salary, post count etc. is really stupid. But, people will always try to find some way of reducing people to numbers in order to classify them more easily. Eh, look! I have one more post, woohoo!

Gash, I know what you've been through in terms of people wanking on about how amazing it is to do all the above. I should know ... they work with me and some are my friends ... difference is, they tell me in person when i'm with other friends and it bores the living **** out of me.

I've also had some friends saying how amazing it would be to just try a bit of hash, dope etc. for the first time and how amazing it will be or before a gig, my drummer will go and say "I'm gonna take some hash before the gig as it calms me down" Man! I've even had some friend talk about trying ecstasy!

As far as my opinion on drugs is concerned, i think of dope as a gateway drug into worse drugs such as heroine and ecstasy. So you can probably tell, i'm dead against drugs.

As for smoking, i don't see whats so cool about becoming a stink, increasing chances of lung, heart and throat cancer and also burning money on what is at first a luxury soon become a neccesity.

Drinking ... I admit, i like drinking but not to the point where i drink on my own. I drink at parties and with a large group of people. Hell! I get pissed silly at parties but then again, these parties are not too often which is good for me. As for mixing drink with smokes and drugs, thats one good way of staring death in the face and kissing him.

Anyway, to help you on your prediciment, I would ask him to stop ranting on about it as it bores you silly. If he asks why then just tell him you have no interest in the stuff. If he comes up with crap like "You havn't lived" like some guys say to me on not taking drugs then just tell them that its your problem and not theres. Let them get on with their own little lives and you with yours.

Drugs isn't bad but don't get addicted to it for addictions are bad. And never be proud because you used alcoholics, drugs, cigarets etc. I'll get your point. I have respect for people who don't use any drugs at all!

Well, I do drink, smoke, and smoke pot....and I totally agree with you!

I've never really understood or respected anyone who thought they were "cool" just because of the amount of booze they could guzzle or grass they could smoke. Those are the people that are doing drugs for all of the wrond reasons, and also the kind of people who end up hurting themselves and others.

If you don't want to drink or smoke then DON'T! No matter what anyone say's it won't make you cool. Only you through your own actions can make yourself cool.

Don't wanna sound like your mother or something here, but I started smoking weed when I was like 14 yrs old and all the time my parents said. You start with weed and end up doing heavier drugs later on. Of course I laughed at them and said that I'll never use anything else, but pretty soon I started using xtc, amfetamin, cocain, u name it......


And then 10 months ago I did an overdose on heroin and laid in a coma for two weeks.

So the message to all you young people out there, DON'T DO ANY DRUGS AT ALL. Eventually you'll end up like I did.
Stick to alcohol instead.


And by the way, I haven't touched the stuff after what happened

Drugs are bad, m'kay.

Gash---don't let it get you down.

You can't spend your life worrying about what people think about you. If they are really your friends, then the will understand that you are how you are and they will except that.

Of course, that usually means that you have to except them as they are as well. :)

I don't do drugs--never have. I have known lots of people who have, and they managed to turn me off of it. Same with smoking. I do occasionally drink---most of the time when I do it is to help relieve some stress. Once a month or every two months, it just depends.

I have only been really drunk twice in my life! And I wasn't appreciative either time. :)

Being who you are is one of the most honest and best things you can do for your self and others. The older you get, the more you will come to understand this.

I always wonder why bother too take drugs? I mean, so you get a buzz, but **** that! There are so many other ways to get a buzz or feel relaxed or feel good!

Do you do too many drugs?
I did too many drugs.
Do you do too many drugs too, baby?

Just pointing out the simple fact that
alcohol is a drug and is just as bad for you as any hard drug on the market. so don't say 'I don't use drugs' and then go on about how you drink booze.

and as for smoking pot leads too harder drugs, that's B.S. I have smoked weed for 12 years and will continue to inhale ganja til the day I die. but I have never used coke or heroin or xtc ect. and feel no need to do so.

Gash it's your choice as has been said. that is all that matters. if you care about your friend though, get on him about smoking cigarettes. cigs are nasty and absolutely horrible for you. I know I smoke cigs and have had a very hard time quitting. ohh I can go weeks without smoking weed or having a beer (yep beer, I don't drink hard liquor), but I sure the hell can't go 2 hours without a cig.

sober people still frighten me.

I didn't mean it always lead to heavier drugs, BUT for younger more impresionable kids it usually does and there is nothing you can or should say about that:flaming:

Since you said you have smoked pot for twelve yrs I should think that you were old enough too understand that there is no point in advertising it just because you've never had any problems with it.

So the message to all you young people out there, DON'T DO ANY DRUGS AT ALL. Eventually you'll end up like I did.

i'd say that is what you meant judging by what you typed. maybe you should have pointed that out in your original post my friend. and well, 10 years ago i was younger and smoked pot, yet i didn't find the urge to use any harder drugs.

You are still missing the point here, all I am saying is that there is no need for advertising or glorifying drugs of any kind, just because you turned out fine doesn't mean that every one else will.

And if you didn't know already, pot and hash can cause severe depression alone.


And sorry if I ticked you off in any way, don't want to start a whole thing here, but this is just something I really care about. OK?

no need to apologize my brother. i'm not ticked off or angry. that was just a good healthy debate. something we all need.

i'm not glorifying any drugs. as you said, i just was pointing out that i enjoy smoking bud and i turned out fine, if not better than many sober people in this world. but who's to say that one person is better than another. we won't know that until we die and are brought before the one and only Entity that can truly judge us humans.

Are you going to swallow too? :D
Just kidding.

I know several people who don't drink. I wouldn't call them boring though.
Society only expects you to blend into it. That can very well be achieved most places without alcohol.

i dont know about any one else on the board but... My life is crazy enough without drugs, I dont need them to add more confusion to my life. And that is leaving out any Medical reasons (of I have mor than most).

Are you going to swallow too?

that's f@%$ing hilarious!!

For each time you use drugs, the possibility to turn in to a real life Minsc (head injury) or something worse is fairly big. Stay away ;).

A nice argument against smoking: See how people who have been smoking for 40-50 years enjoy their lounges in the morning.

Lol. Well that's not true.... A couple of beers isn't bad, as Satiana already said, being drunk isn't cool but being happy and funny cause of some drinks isn't bad (however I'm also crazy without it) and I smoke a joint once in a month or 2... that makes me only relaxt and easy, not hyper-active. Then only coffee is left... well... that's something necessary :)

Don't conform.
Make choices based on what you want to do with your life. Enjoying/succeeding in life often hinges on being true to yourself and making the choices that are right for you.
If someone gets on you for not partaking, then they are too weak to stand by their choice and let you stand by yours.
I partake sometimes and my wife does not. I do not give her a hard time or try to convince her to participate. I respect her right to choose to live her life the way she wants to and am comfortable enough in my own choice that I don't need the validation of others.

Aww thanks for the advice guys.:):) its helped a lot, most of my friends accept me for who I am now...unless I pinch their asses then they get annoyed :S