Which scenes do you hope are included? I myself really think the ents should be included, but I heard somewhere that the won't! ARGH :eek:

[ November 06, 2002, 11:42: Message edited by: Taluntain ]

From the cast list it certainly would appear that they are not. Although there is a picture somewhere on the web-site of an Ents eye or eyes, so they do feature somehow.

Personally I'm looking forward to a few things.
1. The battle of Helms Deep should be spectacular.
2. Hopefully the "Oilifant" will be included for Sam's sake. :)
3. The trip up the stairs and through Shelob's lair will probably be rather a spine tingling affair as well.

In fact to be quite honest I can't wait for it to come out. I'm looking forward to the whole thing.

Probably the have added some more romantic moments, including a romance, nude scene included, between Frodo and Arwen. It is also highly likely Frodo's brillinat actor will finally unveil his still classified WETPANTS (tm) look. Perhaps a romance between Gollum and Sam but that's still open to speculation since I heared that the final release is not yet ready. Treebeard (http://www.jimcalagon.supanet.com/rpt34.htm) will most likely be there as this once secret picture unveils.

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Actually i know for a fact the ents WILL be included because it is on the cast list that John Rhys Davis (Gimli) will be doing the voice of Treebeard. How could they leave it out. How else does Isengard get destroyed. i suppose the hobbits storm the place by them selves do they?
If they are left out then they will have a very difficult job to make the rest of the film any good.

The greatest mistake Peter jackson did was putting Arwen in the movie. I despise her and deny her existence. Her job was to sit in Rivendell, look pretty and make our Aragorn a flag. Nothing else. That's one of the reasons I became a A/B shipper. Arwen too horrible for our soon-to-be-king ranger person.

Bathtub scenes with Merry and Pippin.

Any references with the title "The Two Towers" are coincidential.

As long as Arwen doesn't take Eowyn's place battling the Witch King, I will be happy. My understanding was that Arwen's expanded character is really a melding of Arwen/Glorfindel/and other minor character elves and Rangers.

I'm hoping that's all it is...If I see her cutting off Sauron's head at the end of Return of the King, I'll be going after Jackson's noggin!!!

Is it true that this is going to open in the evil Scandinavian countries before its American release?!?!?!

Probably not, but if it is, I'm going to enjoy it :D

Ents will be included, so will Olifants. I saw both in the trailer :D
I think it opens the same date all over the world as the Fellowship did. But then it opens here in scandinavia and the whole of Europe before the US due to timedifference.

But then it opens here in scandinavia and the whole of Europe before the US Hah, were now taking revenge for that whole Star Wars Phantom Menace thingie

Unfortunately, I've heard that Shelob isn't making her appearance until the Return of the King, so the Two Towers cannot end the same way as it does in the book.

I hope to see what takes place between Gandalf and the Balrog (the whole bit where they are fighting in the very depths of Moria.)
I also heard that the fight with Shelob won't be until the Return of the King, it'll be like the first thing to happen or something like that (I heard this, I'm not claiming it's true.)

I think it would suck if you don't see Shelob until the third movie...Mostly because I think that's a perfect cliffhanger ending for the Two Towers...Frodo dead, Sam carrying on the quest, etc...

Although, 2 Towers is going to have a lot of fighting in it, and time may not allow for much of Frodo's part of the tale...There should be at 4-5 battles in this one:

1) Skirmish on the edge of Fangorn
2) Helm's Deep
3) Isengard
4) Osgiliath and the Oliphants
5) Siege of Gondor/Pellenor Fields

There may not be enough time to add Shelb to all that....I hope they don't cut out any of these fights... *** Belisarius prays to the gods of Hollywood! ***

I'm getting better vibes about this one than FOTR. The trailers look great.

**Probably they have added some more romantic moments, including a romance, nude scene included, between Frodo and Arwen. It is also highly likely Frodo's brillinat actor will finally unveil his still classified WETPANTS (tm) look. **

AUUGH! My....Eyes...Can't...See...Going...Blind...*Groan*

I really didn't like the trailer for TTT. It showed too much. The return of Gandalf is a HUGE spoiler. Also, they tried to put too many scenes in the trailer, which caused it to become a fast flash of short shots, instead of a good to follow trailer.

Ents will be included. As will the oliphaunt, they are both in the trailer.

Having a different ending for TTT would be a shame, but I'll see what they make of it before judging it.

I can't wait to see what they've made of Rohan.

It would indeed be a shame if Shelob is not included.

Back to the US release v Europe. I thought the release date was Worldwide 18 December? There will no doubt be the premiere with all the stars in London like last time, but the general release I thought was universal so to speak?

Oh well, I can't buy IWD2 yet, so no sympathy whatsoever. ;)

[Edit] It's scheduled for release in 5,500 theatres across the US on 18 December. Damn. ;) [Edit]

[ November 07, 2002, 14:49: Message edited by: Viking ]

I just saw the trailer and it looks like there's going to be a real classic romance between Arwen and Aragorn. Elrond says something along the lines of: "She's an Elf, her time here is ending. Let her go" Very dramatic :rolleyes:

Makes me wanna puke...

By the way, wolf riders are in and they are looking good

The first one was great! Lets hope thesecond is better and the third is the best! I can't wait!

Ragusa, that comment reminds me of an old topic which is sick.

Ooooh yeah, can't wait to see Saruman get his puny ass whooped!

Or is that in the return of the king? Bah, who cares, its coming eventually... :evil:

I've heard that helms deep is going to be 45 minutes long and is the main battle in two towers. If this is the main battle then i would think that pellenor fields (which seems, in the book, to be a far bigger battle - Gondor vs Mordor pretty much) will be in the third film.

Next in FOTR why oh why did they leave out the Galadriels present giving especially the elf light and even more importantly sams seed box thing. Since without the light sam can't rescue his master and without the box sam can't replant the shires trees at the end (of the book atleast) and to be honest they ought to have left the whole hobbit enslaved thing out of it (as they showed it in galadriels pool) but then got rid of the whole seed box which is very important to it. I doubt that this will come over well but we'll have to wait for the 3rd film to find out. Although as i said without the light this 2nd film won't make sense unless sam pulls the glass vial out of his ass or something, well that's me finished having a go at them leaving stuff out.

Oh and i agree with everything people say about frodo's "WETPANTS (tm) in this and any other topic anywhere.

But even if this film sucked i'd still go and see it, i saw FOTR the day it was out in england with my dad, and will probably do the same this year.

:sick: ??! Rolsuk Fryulee, when my post seems familiar to you that is probably because I haven't changed my opinion. If you're happy with the movie the way it is - fine for you. For reasons beyond my understanding some people like bad films ... :wave:

Frodo was given the light though

I heard that the extra scenes in the special edition dvd show Galadriel giving each of the Fellowship members their gift. It was excluded due to time issues in the film. Although I've ordered the special edition, I haven't received it yet. Rumor has it that is an extra 45 minutes of footage in the special edition.

It would have been nice to see Tom Bombadil and the Barrow Wights, but I don't think that's in there.

The Special Edition of Fellowship isn't out until the 12th I believe.

Aaaaah yes Aikanaro, there was something like that ... I can't really remember, it was a Mag-Lite, right? :1eye:

It's true, there's at least 30+ mins of it!
All presents, more scenes in Moria etc.
Its good.

Goph
(i'm tired, excuse the small post)

It's supposed to be about 30 - 35 minutes extra. I'll compare the two copies when my Special Edition arrives and let you know for sure.

This movie turns into Aragorn-shipping and the third is a definite Aragorn-praising-fest. BUt if the stuff about Arwen is true. Then PJ did a FRIGGIN mistake. I and Deira are going to go after him, if there is CLASSICAL romance. UGH.
***
Letting out the ANGER
*Eze whacks Arwen with Crom*
Arwen:*dead*
Eze:YAY.
Aragorn:What you did to Arwen, you evil scoundrel?*tries to whack Eze with Anduril*
*Blasts bounce off*
Eze:That is a friggin cloak of Mirroring, Sir.
Aragorn:Dammit.
Eze:Now forget you elf-chick and go to THAT with Boromir, he is waiting for you.
Aragorn:You...
Eze:*cowers Aragorn's mouth with her hand*Yes I am a slashshipper. Now get there and make those Elf-lords jealous.
Aragorn:What Elf-lords?
Eze:Ellie, Leggie, Celly, Glory, other elf-people, all of them.
Aragorn:OK.*walks off*
This shall not be continued due NC-17 content.
******
Whew. I was nearly hitting the comp, but then I remembered, that he is crucial to my survival. And my parents would not have been very happy either. Now I shall end this madness and let THE SANE PEOPLE(TM) post. Bye. :)

If my interpretation of Faragons TTT-Trailer-Stills was correct, there's some manlove going on: Sam and Gollum. Pretty cool and very hilarious.
:p

Ezellohar...you do have weird tastes...but I guess that the fact that quite a few men like the idea of girl on girl stuff, the reverse runs true for some women as well...

I had forgotten most of the book when I watched the movie so Arwen's expanded role did not really aggravate me...

Shouldn't we enjoy the movie on its own instead of comparing it to the book?

I wanted to see this one so bad because I thought the faults in the first one would be made up by the Ents. And why the hell is this classic romance going on between Arwen and Aragorn. There was a long part of that in the first one. If they had cut out the unworthy romantic scene they probably could have fit the Galadriel-gift-giving-scene, which never even should have crossed big PJ's mind as a scene to cut for time constraints. What a jackass.

[ November 14, 2002, 01:13: Message edited by: The Irreligious Paladin ]

Shura, you are so friggin right, but sometimes Arwen-bleep really annoys me. She just does. And yes, it's true. Haha. Only slash what I do not like is Aragorn/Legolas, what just ticks me off.

Eze
(Hating Arwen 4-eva)

No Bombadil, no Glorfindel, left out the Gimli/Legolas relationship, moved a bunch of dialogue to scenes where it didn't happen (Sam does not, as he does in the film, say "now that's an eye opener and no mistake" in Moria, for example), putting Boromir's death at the end of the LotR, and not at the beginning of TTT, where it's supposed to go, there's absolutely no mention whatsoever of a palantir in the first book, leaving out most of Lothlorien, and, of course, Arwen.

But I loved the film. There's no way you can condense that book into film. There's no point in trying. It's enough to be faithful to the tale, and then bring in your own artistry to it, like David Lynch and Dune. And I dig Arwen in the film. Liv Tyler is hot. People who go to the movies want a love interest, and now they've got one...movies don't make any money if they're hell-bent on satisfying rpg gaming nerds insisting on authenticity at the expense of normal people. Give 'em a break. I thought they did a bang-up job.

I thought the movie was too cryptic for anyone who had NEVER read the book to understand, which several people assured me it was, for your argument to make any sense Gonzaga. Only someone who had read the book would be able to enjoy it like they should, therefore it should follow as closely as possible with the book. Hence the aggravation most people feel when it comes to Arwen's increased part. Also Liv Tyler is hot yes but her face is too round for her to be a believable elf, which is mostly why i got piised off by her.

For me it was, to the contrary, so that because of reading the book I was highly unable to enjoy the film at all.

And I found the story all but cryptic, maybe a little confused :shake:

ragusa - The first time I saw the movie, I felt the same way as you.

BUT THEN I GOT OVER IT!!!

Gonzago is correct - film is a different media, and the only way to be true to the books would be to make a thirty-six hour film for each of them.

I personally think that PJ did a commendable job and I applaud him.

As for the Arwen romance problem, well, I was never really satisfied with Tolkien's Victorian sensibilities in the first place. As good as LOTR is, I just wish that it hadn't been quite so... Victorian. (yes, I repeat myself, but if the word fits, use it!)

I am now going to start watching the movie once a week, just to make all of you PJ-Haters angry.

Then you're heart is tainted by evil already ..... :shake:

You don't like Arwen because her face is too round for an elf? You really need to get out more.

What about Boromir? That's not at all how I pictured him from the book. Or Aragorn? Merry and Pippin? The film made all of these characters more human, more approachable, more likeable, and they don't all sound the same (like they do, more or less, in the book). Or Frodo? In the book he sounds like the frickin' archbishop of Canterbury.

What's missing from the film (and this, IMO, is what makes it difficult for those who haven't read the books) are the interminable passages about the history of Middle Earth. That is to say, we come across the watch tower of Amon Sul, and Aragorn gets all misty about it, but that's the *only* time it's mentioned and we don't know what he's all worked up about. The same goes for Khazad Dum, or Gondor...in the book it takes like nine years for Gandalf to leave to go to Gondor and read up on the ring, a sequence which takes about three minutes of film. But there's no other way to do it without, as was mentioned, making a thirty-six hour film.

The other thing that's missing, and I wish there *were* a way to do this in film, is the way the hobbits feel when they eat lembas or drink orc draughts. A little thing, I know, but the Hobbits' universe revolves around the stomach, and we don't get much of that in the film. (Though I was in stitches for this passage:

P: What is that?
M: This, my friend, is a pint. (licks lips)
P: It comes in pints? I'm getting one.

But as concerns the first post, I don't see how they can make TTT without the Ents.