I'd guess most of you have hear the title for the second new Star Wars movie was revealed this week. It's going to be call "Attack of the Clones". No, I'm not joking. What was Lucis thinking. Please tell me I'm not the only one who thinks this is the worst title that could have been used. I mean 'Rise of the Empire' or 'Fall of the Jedi' or something.

What do you think?

i dont believe it

No it really is called, "Attack of the Clones!" haha, here's the link on CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2001/SHOWBIZ/Movies/08/07/star.wars.2/index.html

Will Lucas screw this one up worse than the phantom menace? Well, it looks like he's got a head start already!

Attack of the clones :rolleyes: This is a sad sad day for all star wars fans. When are they going to learn that you don't mess up classics like that....

It's probably just a ruse...He uses different titles all the time, like: Blue Harvest, Revenge of the Jedi??

What til the movie comes out....It'll probably be different.

Sir Bel may be right. However I am beguing to wonder ablut the sanity of Lucas In naming the movie as such.

Does it really matter? I mean plenty of movies have come out with lame titles and have been pretty kool.

Dunston Checks In for example...

Yeah, what was Lucas thinking? It should be "Attack of the Killer Clones"!

Remember that Obi-Wan does fight along side of Anakin in the "Clone Wars". I think that the title will change though, it sounds too silly. How about "to Clone or not to Clone?"

By the way, i read an article years ago about the key events in of Star Wars being almost parallel with that found in Wagner's Ring Opera cycle. The article implied that Lucas probably "transcribed" that Opera for the silver screen. Unfortunately for Lucas and the movie-goers the Opera Cycle ended in the 4th act :). I cross my fingers awaiting for episode III but My GUESS is that Star wars will never get ay better. Without Wagner's good story line Lucas has to go further than before (dissapointing episode I)to convice Star Wars fans that the saga is more than a mere Opera rip-off and to the world that he's more than a copier.


[This message has been edited by fuoco (edited August 09, 2001).]

i think they should just stop making star wars movies, because episode 1 was just the worst movie i have ever seen, and a mockery of the star wars legacy. mainly because of jar-jar and the gungans, and because natalie portman and that kid who played anakin are such horrible actors. i sincerely hope that this next one is better, and doesnt feature any comic reliefs like jar-jar. :mad:

It does sound silly but it has a relevance.
The clone wars was the wars that destroyed the republic and the jedis. It was during this war Palpatine turned Anakin and together they killed every single Jedi knoght except Obi-Wan and Yoda. I think and hope that this next movie is as dark and catastrophic as it should be. Everyone should die and all hell break loose.
Long live the empire!
(Even though it is one of the most shortlived empire i have ever seen at didnt exist for more than a maximum of 20 years)

Lucas did the name game before, though I forget which one. It seems like he does one title, more as a 'grab-attention' piece than anything else. The real titles seemed to be put in place just a short time before the actual movie is released.

Relic, I pray to God you're right. I mean 'The Clone War' would be find if you want to focus on the role of clones in the fall of the Jedi and all that. Maybe you are right about the name being changed. I mean look at all the other 'attack of the...' movies. It sounds like a bad B movie from the 50s.

I'll search through the web, see if I can come up with any proof. Right now, I'm relying on memories, and we all know how accurate those can be.

I had originally heard it was going to be called "the clone wars", but maybe they thought it was too redundant:

STAR WARS Episode 2: CLONE WARS

My personal suggestion would be:
Send in the Clones

I agree with Egg, episode 1 was garbage, Lucas should just quit.

I have mixed feelings about Episode I...I don't think you'll be able to judge accurately until the other two come out.

Here's my take on it: The Jar Jar character WAS annoying...But I have a theory. I got the impression that the Pre-Empire galaxy far, far away...Was a high Enlightenment time, with the classical architecture, bright colors and sleeker spacecraft.

The Imperial Age is almost like the near end of the dark ages...The equipment looks clunkier, older, and more utilitarian than the EP1 stuff.

The otehr thing is that they made Anakin out to be a cute little muppet that borders on the nauseating. When you think about who he becomes, it makes EP 1 kind of cool.

I think the next installment will be darker than the last, with maybe a somewhat happy ending that may be slightly in doubt.

The third will probably end in one of two ways...Vader and the Empereror triumphant, or it'll end with Obi-Wan spiriting the twins away...Thus the Star Wars rename: A New Hope!

Either way, the third one will be a dark ending with the overall victory going to the Dark Side!

~Bel

I just want to see Yoda kick some butt

Man, what a crappy title, "Attack of the Clones", i have some bad feelings that this movie might suck even worse than episode 1 did. And *I* would just like to see Jar-Jar dead!!!

After picking my mouth up off the floor after hearing this news this morning I reasoned with myself that this is a temp thing, ol' George has got to be having some fun with us. There is no way the movie will be released under such an idiotic name. Attack of the Clones is something you would name a spoof of Star Wars Episode II, not what you would name the real thing. And even if he was seriously thinking about naming it that, he has changed the name before. Return of the Jedi was originally Revenge of the Jedi but was changed before it came out. And it was changed because somebody told George that (good) Jedi don't neccessarily take "revenge". So George changed it. If enough people gripe, he'll change it. But personally I think he's just having fun (knowing that he'll change it, it's still a ways off, and he may not have found the perfect name for it yet, but had to satisfy the press), there is nothing like Star Wars controversy.

The name change that Big B mentions must be what I was thinking of too. I can't find any mention of temp names anywhere. I'm praying that it is just a working name. Sorry to raise hopes.

Another thing is that even by ROTJ they hadent figured out a way to secsessfully make droid ships practical and combat effective. so how would droid armies be any different. If you ask me it looks like the tecnology in episode one is better than in the original movies. And the wost part was you could plainly see the sections were the thing was doen entierly on computer.

It is a really cheesy name for a movie! I also think that there is something wierd about the Phantom Menace that just wasn't right. It just didn't live up to the other three movies.

I'm going to rely my opinion here too...

Attack Of The Clones is *NOT* a bad title. If it sounds cheesy, The Empire Strikes Back, anyone?

And Attack Of The Clones is meant to be cheesy, as I read somewhere, George Lucas said that it should 'remind' people of saturday matinees. (I don't know what he exactly said, it was here somewhere: http://www.theforce.net )

And, who *CARES* about the title?! As longs as the movie kicks ass, I don't care what's it called.

,FSFunky

Don't know what you all have against the nice Jar-Jar, he's a more serios character than this red-faced Maul of a Sith.
*watches out for lightsabers pointing in his direction*

Word bogie! Even though i think Jar-Jar is extremely silly and out of place i think Darth Maul is even more ridicoulos the man has no grace. In my mind a sith is a proud graceful warrior that doesnt jump around with a long stick. Give me Vader or Palpatine every day!

I know it's just a title but it seems so cliche. Attack of the Clones :rolleyes:
Phantom Menace, A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi all standout for me, Attack of the Clones is a title that wants to put me to sleep. Oh well.
And here we go, the classic "Menace technology looks better than the previous titles" Ok Sir Bel is right. For one thing the movie is only 30 some odd years before the original (Star Wars time, not ours) Is the technology better in Menace, not really. Storywise, Empire takes over, it rules a huge area, it doesn't need pansy, sleek looking starfighters that Naboo had, instead it needs mean machines that can get the job done (i.e. Tie Fighters, Star Destroyers, and ultimately a Death Star, you don't see any planet destroying spacestations in Menace do you???) Speeder bikes? It's a time period of 30 years they were used then, they're used now, no big deal. Droids vs. Stormtroopers? I think the Trade Federation learned it's lesson. Darth Maul's floating seeker devices? Hello all kinds of floating gadgets in the originals. Podraces? If you had the capibility to fly through outerspace you could tether two engines to a cockpit and go. Floating platforms on Coruscant? Can anyone say Bespin? When you really think about it technology improves (just slightly, like I said it's only thirty years and there is the whole Empire taking over and keeping resources from groups like the Rebellion) in the originals.
Now here are two things that are different:
-the quality of the film
-the lightsaber fights are as Minsc would say "More fight, less talk" That doesn't mean I don't like the old ones or the new, just that they are different styles.


[This message has been edited by Big B (edited August 10, 2001).]

I would like to do the Spanish water torture on Jar-Jar Stinks!

FSFunky, I disagree the name is important to a degree. Cheesy you say, I don't think the movie should be chessy that was the problem with the last one. PM was TOO chessy. A little humor is fime. I like R2D2 and C3PO. They were funny, Jar-Jar is just stupid. And what is wrong with the Empire Strikes Back?

Nothing is wrong with The Empire Strikes Back, so far it is my favorite of them all.
It's also the only one to not have Tatooine in it, just to point that out ;). Nothing wrong with Tatooine but change is good.

As it is, I disagree COMPLETELY on the topic of Darth Maul. Palpatine and Vader were lords and masters of the Sith. Maul was a soldier, a fighter.

There are several types of Jedi - Consulars, Guardians, and Adepts. Adepts are those born with a strong relationship with the force, but have no official training. Guardians are just that, guardians. They are the front line fighters, the seekers. Consulars are the lords of the Force. Yoda is a great example of the Consulars. They were once described as, "...slightly mad old men who huddle in the protection of their minions..."

The Sith have separate types as well. The Lords are the backbone - the masters. The Retainers are the holders of wisdom and the pullers of strings. The Warriors or Seekers are those that are sent out against the Jedi, or against any who oppose the Sith.

Darth Maul was a harbinger, a threat. He was a sign of things to come.

Personally, I think that the Jedi and the Sith should call a truce and hunt down and kill all the Gungans. Jar-Jar was one of the only reasons that SW1 sucked. "Ani" (that was dumb too) couldn't act, but I think that Amidalla was okay. She did all right in "The Professional."

Maybe he was drunk when he thought of the title! :D

Sepiryl, played SW the RPG, have we? :)

Anyhoo, I didn't actually make my point clear in the last post (I had a hangover, does hell to your posts). What I was *TRYING* to say was that Attack Of The Clones is not a bad title per say.

Although, I think "Attack" is not the a great word and "Assault" would be better. The Empire Strikes Back is a cheesy name, because it is really just your basic "bad-guys-get-revenge" title. Also, if you look at it (BTW, I head this on a video called Millenium's End -- Fandom Menace, a movie I recommend to every SW Fan) the titling of the Trilogies works like this:

1st In Trilogy: Setting The Theme For The Trilogy (The Phantom Menace, A New Hope.)

2nd and 3rd in Trilogy: A verb and a "Star Wars-word". (Attack Of The Clones, The Empire Strikes Back, Return Of The Jedi.)

Do I make even less sense then when I'm intoxicated, you be the judge.

,FSFunky

EDIT: Damn Spelling

[This message has been edited by FSFunky (edited August 11, 2001).]

The movie is already doomed. the lame title is irrelevant but the movie does have Jar Jar Binks in.AAAAAAAAARGH!!!!!!!!!

[This message has been edited by Inferno of Balduran (edited August 11, 2001).]

/grabs lightsaber and attacks Jar-Jar untill nothing more than a pile of ground meat

Any questions of my opinon on Jar-Jar.

Who knows maybe he will be killed.

Well...I thought episode one was bad. Very bad. It's too damn cute.
Anakin for example. He should have been a dysfunctional teenager full of anger.
That would fit much better in.
In fact Star Wars would have been better if were much "darker". Dunno if that's the right word.
Some of the books are excellent examples on how this can be done...Timothy Zahns' books are kewl.
Of course it wouldn't appeal to the younger audience, but I think most movies would have been far better if the makers didnt' try to make it appeal to everyone.
I don't think the plot in episode one was very good either.
Ok...it explains how Palpa' became emperor, but it seems more like an excuse to throw in a lot of redundant effects and characters who are just there to be "funny".
(Hoho. Haha. I'm dying here.)
I think the original movies had more depth somehow. The characters were much more interesting.

Took me about 20 posts before I could believe someone could come up with such a lame title.

What will the 3rd be? Revenge of the Clones from the Black Lagoon?

Come on. :rolleyes:

I heard he just changed it to: "Episode II: Send In the Clones!" :D :D ;) :D :D

I heard it was "Killer Clones from Outer Space" ;)

I heard a rumor that Jar-Jar falls into a lava pit in what will be episode 3.

Here's my hopeful theory. There are no Gungans in Episodes IV, V, or VI. Where would be the first place for Obi-Wan to hide Anakin's children? Otah-Gunga you say? Huh, then who would Anakin most likely take his revenge out on? Yeah! Kudos to the Dark Side!

Yes! YES! YESSSS! Revenge! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Jar-Jar is back for the new one but Lucas said he will be toned down on the comedic attempts. Apparently Jar-Jar's 10 years older and 10 years more mature, same goes for Anakin. So relax.
Is Jar-Jar the only thing you guys get out of Episode 1? There was so much more...

Jar-jar is not the only thing just the most annoying.

Stop letting Yourselves down about a title. Just be happy that John Williams didn't make this Rap-version of starwars-the trilogy.
The link is a bit touch-sensitive so dont jump around too much.
http://www.snemanden.dk/LOL/Flash/starwarz.swf

a few things I must note is that.....

1. Lucas has gotten inspiration for Star Wars from 1930 Flash Gordon matinees, to the title doesn't surprise me. I do agree however that a better title would have been "The Clone Wars"

2. I still get a little upset a ppl who still bash Episode I. Was it the best Star Wars movie: NO... kinda tough topping the best Sci-Fi trilogy of all time. One of the reasons why is that Episode one is trying to establish everything in the prequel trilogy which is a tall order. Remember in the beggining A New Hope was originally supposed to be the only movie....until it raked in 400 Mil at the box office.

All I ask is to wait for the movie to come out before everyone passes judgement.

P.S. I am NOT defending Jar-Jar in any way...I wouldn't mind *****-slapping that frog myself.

Ohmigod,

I feel so out of place here. I don't hate Jar Jar.

*Collective gasp of entire Forum heard*

Well, I agree the fart joke was waaaaayyy over the top for a Star Wars film but still. I thought he was pretty darn funny.

Especially when the pit-droid kicks him in the groin.

,FSFunky

But notice that he didn't flinch all that much. Hmm...

I thought that SW1 was good, it just could've been better. The plot was lacking in the extreme, and the acting (for some) was almost as bad. Ah well, better luck with the next.

Here's a more reliable link to that priceless Starwars Rap :D --> http://download.theforce.net/theater/gangsta/starwarz.html

It's hilarious :D.

i know this is not quite sticking to the topic but i have done a great deal of reasearch into this and i seemed to have found out that Lucas origionally wrote nine parts in the star wars saga. The first trilogy was the middle trilogy if you see what i mean. Lucas comfirmed it himself on a documentry about the making of star wars episode 1.
I thought you all knew this but people like sir bel have been saying things like evil wins over darkness and the full story may not actually be reavealed yet. But lucas will be dead before a third trilogy could be made. It wouldn't matter though. I could name a thousand directors better suited for he job!!!!!!

True. George Lucas has also said in an interview that he infact wont shoot number seven, eight and nine ever. He wants to do other stuff. I think he tells this in the premovie interviews on the VHS-Trilogi that could be bought a few years ago.
It could be nice though to have a good action director on the set for those movies.

But Lucas is Thorough in post-production in this quote from homing beacon #41:

With digital tools created for The Phantom Menace and perfected in
subsequent ground-breaking ILM projects, Lucas and the ILM team's focus
is not on technology, but on getting the best possible performance from
their creations, be they locations, ships, creatures or characters.
Attention to detail beyond the focal point of the action can be key to
making the audience believe in the fantasy being presented. The slight
skid of a ship turning a corner, the shadows cast by digitally created
furniture, the short attention span of a walnut-sized-brained monster
and the growing discomfort of a guard as tension builds in the room are
all observed through preliminary positioning, refinement of
articulation and eventually final rendering critiqued on a
theatrical-sized screen.

Sounds appealing but remember its written by themselves.

More Homin beacons can be found here: http://www.starwars.com/site/homingbeacon/index.html

änother nice link as a springboard is: http://www.starwars.com/community/

[This message has been edited by Nobleman (edited August 25, 2001).]

It's all very well, lucas saying he is not going to make the last three. But what about us the devoutees. We need to know the story. The first six are all centered around Anikin and who he grows up to be. After he is dead what next?????

If you want to find out what comes next, read the damn books :p :p :p

oh great.
now i look like a great big fantastic moron.

Gran Admiral Thrawn brings the empire back on track and the whole good-evil thingie moves on. A lot of Story about Han and Leia's children. I think they'll make great Action movies. Not as touching as number four five and six.

But I bet You a buck that Slappy and Big B knows pretty damn more about this than us. pray that they summon.

Try this link. Thrawn is a very popular man. Who said dictators weren't in? :rolleyes:
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/7021/sw.html

PS. Thrust me You are not a moron. (did that give You some selfconfidence) ;)


[This message has been edited by Nobleman (edited August 25, 2001).]

I have most of the books that have been written about what happens after Return of the Jedi, except the young Jedi adventure series (the one's more focused on Han and Leia's kids.)
Most of them I have read but they keep coming out. My favorites have actually been the books that take place during the original trilogy and before it. I'm talking about Shadows of the Empire (between Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi) and the Han Solo Trilogy (before Star Wars: A New Hope). They are great!
Now about the ones after...the Rogue Squadron series was good but I haven't read past book 5 becuase they keep popping these out, and I need a break from Rogue Squadron. The trilogy that deals with Luke setting up the Jedi academy is good. And of course the books with Grand Admiral Thrawn are good too. Books I didn't care for were a few of the individual ones (The Crystal Star, Splinter of the Mind's Eye, Truce at Bakura come to mind)

I've been thinking about this Attack of the Clones thing and I guess I am getting used to it. In a geeky way it's a fitting title. It gives anti-Star Wars people more ammo, but who cares, I like the movies so stuff it :)

Ha ha! Nobleman check your above post => "Thrust me" Lol. Now that's a spelling error.

[This message has been edited by Big B (edited August 25, 2001).]

Personally I love the X-Wing books. I feel that they are simple the most action-packed and suspense filled books in all of Star Wars.

Thankyou Nobleman you really have made my day!
You always cheer me up you little danish bun of joy! :D :D :D

Hey You Big troll. Thanx. I think I have had enough for today. Always there to make a bigger fool of myself to help. 2 1/2 months without Sorcerer's place and the internet. After at least 7 hours of rummaging around SP archives I am getting pretty wasted. Who said SP wasn't addictive? And guess what I found. Our first conversation on Sorcerer's place. ohh how sweet. We even got busted by BTA! :D :)
http://www.sorcerers.net/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002349.html


To keep some relevance to this post I have brought some trailermovies to your beloved Jar Jar Binks

JAR JAR BINKS PROJECT http://www.trailervision.com/trailers.php?id=25

JAR JAR BINKS PROJECT THE SEQUAL http://www.trailervision.com/trailers.php?id=26

SOME MORE RELEVANCE:
I really dont see what the big fuzz about "attack of the clones"

Here is what Episode two is roughly gonna show:

Palpatine is trying to get Senate approval for a Clone Army. Count Dooku has united hundreds of systems against the Republic. Clones would assist the out numbered jedi in defeating Dookus up rising. Obi while investigating a failed assasination attempt on Senetor Amidalla discovers 1000's of clones already being made....Anakin an Amidalla go to naboo,then tatooine,then gamora to rescue a captured obi. They also discover 1000's of Super Battle Droids. They are also captured. Dooku the gamorians an Namidians reveal themselves. Dozens of jedi arrive to battle the droids. Jedi are outnumbered until the Clones arrive. Mace has a huge fight seen with a Giant reek! Mace also kills Jango Fett. Anakin an Obi fights Dooku an realize hes a member of the Lost 20. (other members of the 20 include Eeth Koths Tusken apprentice after becoming a jedi Hero the Tusken left the order,an The Dark Woman aurra sings master. Dark Woman left after Aurra failed the trials)....Anyway Dooku defeats them an barely escapes his lost battle with yoda. Ki mundi an Plo koon also have a nice action sequence against droids. In the end the Clones win the battle. Count Dooku reports to his hidden master sidious. Finally jar jar binks plays a Major role in getting the senate approve of the Clone Army. With good intentions at heart jar jar doesnt realize hes being munipulated by Palpatine. Palpatine,Senator jar jar An the other deligates stand on a balcony. Below them is a huge hangar where 100's of 1000's of Senate approved Clones board thier ships to fight Duukos droid army. "ooow,this is bad bombing!"

And the link of course :p
http://fan.starwars.com/Plospage/clonewars.html

[This message has been edited by Nobleman (edited August 26, 2001).]