I've noticed many teenagers on these forums, and also many students, probably in their twenties I suppose, and most seem to be males. I guess these groups represent the majority of gamers, both on these forums and elsewhere, but are there also elder people in here? Do we have 40- or 50- or 60-year-olds who like computer games? I hope so! It would have been such a relief to learn that you're not too old for pc games when you reach those ages. And how about women?

How would you teenagers feel about your mother or grandmother discussing strategies of how to kill Diablo or Jon Irenicus with you? Would you love it or hate it, or would it be unthinkable?

Men are, more that women, allowed to maintain some of their "childishness" into maturity, so a man in his forties playing games on his computer might not be frowned upon, and I personally know several such men. But what about a woman of that age - or older? It seems like grown women are supposed to be very mature and serious, and are not allowed to be childish anymore. Why not? And is it childish to play games?

Already well before reaching 30, they take on the role of the Adult, while their boyfriend/husband is the Child, and therefore allowed to keep playing...

Most women I know, of any age except teenagers, including all my female friends, have never touched a computer game in their life, except perhaps Solitaire once in a while. If I should mention that I like computer games, they look at me like I was something that just crawled out from under a rock, and I get the feeling that I'm a pervert and should feel very ashamed, and that I must never mention it again. Why is it like that?

In my home there are lots of computers and lots of games, and my children and their friends love it and think I'm the coolest mom at school because of it, but their father (who thank God doesn't live here) thinks I'm a nutcase for the same reason... :p

My sister, my father and I are all hooked on games, and play a lot, often. But we have no one to talk to about it, except each other. My sister is terrified that someone at her work should find out she spends a lot of her spare time playing Diablo 2 or BG2 - it's like it's not accepted at all, being a woman, and at her age (mid thirties). And my father, who is in his sixties now, has the same problem.

So, are we a bunch of unique outcasts, or are there more like us out there, and maybe even here on these forums? Why should we be ashamed of it? When are you too old for computer games?

[ August 14, 2002, 20:42: Message edited by: Blue ]

I cannot speak for myself for I am yet young, my grandmother however is interested in role-playing games and she is way over 60. She also plays Gameboy Advance and I for one like her just how she is. She is not on the forums though because she doesn't have internet conection.

Oh, and if I see anyone looking like this :eek: , or like this :aaa: , I swear I'll find out where he lives and slice him open :evil: :flaming: .

:coffee:

Well Blue, I'm 39 with wife and 8 year old son, and I play these computer games. (Whenever other family or homeowner duties and obligations don't prevent me.) I find these RPG computer games relaxing, and they bring a 3D element to the old P&P, AD&D. Two of my coworkers (both 40+) play Diablo II over the net during lunch.
I don't know why more women don't get involved with RPG, whether computer or P&P. At least the forums here allow all of us to swap ideas, provide assistance or even converse about any and all topics. Maybe we "Elder Statesmen/women" can provide advice to our younger commrades when solicited. :D

Well, I am not in 40- or 50- or 60-year-olds group myself, but I know people who then still play computer games. My mother plays games on the computer, but only games like solitaire, pinball and games like pong. My father tried Age of Empires once, but he isn't the kind that plays computer games. My uncle however, who is in his late 30's plays a lot of computer games and always has the latest hardware, he has some pretty awesome games, a lot of games like Rainbow Six and race games. He can't get enough of them. He is the oldest kid I know.

I will play Computer Games until my dying day!

I'll probably be the sort of mother/Grandmother that will borrow games off people decades younger then try and master it just so I can beat them :p

I'm 36 and have been playing computer games for 20 years. I don't plan on stopping.
It is nice how there are games for every age. Some games (like the BGs) are great for most ages.

I'm a 28 year old woman who started playing BG1 (and later 2) when my 40 year old then boyfriend gave them to me. My 47 year old mother hates it, but them she hates any game that invloves killing, so she's consistant there. She likes games like Myst, though, so she doesn't hate all computer games.
As for my 79 year old grandmother, she doesn't even like turning her computer on unless mom or I is there.

Well I must admit I have noticed a lack of female gamers, both in P&P and on the computer. I game with 10 people overall, one of which is female, and I introduced her myself to gaming. She loves it and is starting to get into the IE games on her computer. That's one female and nine males... Not good odds. Admittedly I am only 16 and she's a year my juniour but still, I do believe the odds should be better. It slightly annoys me that more women and girls don't game, it gets boring playing with an all male party.

The only other female gamer I know is one of my DM's mother, she could tell you more about any edition of D&D or any other gaming system than anyone I've ever met, and she's about to hit 65 :D

On the "Gaming is a dirty thing." subject, I believe this is the old beliefs of D&D and all fantasy related games being linked to satanism and the occult arts. Utter crap. And there are still people around who cling to these beliefs, a teacher in school started looking at me funny when I was writing out a character sheet during a lunch period, when another teacher entered the room she whispered to her and both looked suspiciously in my direction...

There does seem to be an age limit for computer games, that I've noticed anyway... The oldest person I know who actively games in P&P is around 30, the oldest I know who uses their computer for games is around the same age, both so these people would have been caught up in the rush of computers when they became widely available, so that could explain the maximum age.

[ August 15, 2002, 01:12: Message edited by: Herf ]

When are you old to watch tv? Computer and video games are simply a new form of entertainment... A very new form, and still limited, in that almost all games are based on killing people and being a macho man. That will change when the gaming audience changes: action movies are still huge in hollywood, but there are certainly other things to see for those who have a problem with Arnold. In the same way I think we'll start seeing more and more diverse games with time, even though simple action games will remain a large genre.

Herf, you're scaring me! I'm 30, does this mean I'm in my final year of gaming? :eek: I'm old! I'm old!

About the same percentage of my female friends as male friends game, but on the other hand now that I think about it, most of my friends are guys... anyway, I'm never embarrassed to answer a coworker's "what did you do this weekend" with, "I played computer games!" Although once I replied, "I played Dungeons & Dragons" and after a long, awkward silence the coworker asked, "and did you win?" :D

I'm turning 32 in less than a month :wail: and I have been playing video games since the early '80s when Atari came out with their first console. I intend to continue playing for as long as can and I don't think getting older is an argument that would make me stop it!

I have a couple of friends that still play CRPG while a few others stick to console games (X-Box and the likes). They are all males and I can't think of one female that I know who plays video games. I think they are like UFOs; they say they exist, but I have yet to see one!! ;)

Oh! I just remembered; my grandmpther likes to play card games on the computer. Does that count? Or are we sticking to RPG?!!

Many years ago, my friend's late mother-in-law was a Nintendo addict! :eek: She probably was in her upper 60's and was playing games all night until the sun came up. I don't know how many games she finished, but I certainly never dared play any game against her! :shake:

[ August 15, 2002, 02:14: Message edited by: stormhand ]

Well, speaking from a teenager's point of view, I can already see myself working in some profession, having time for computer RPGs, but never even touching them because I've gone out of touch with my "inner child". I guess adults who get to remain in touch with that will play more computer games and whatnot. But it's hard to say, because there's not a lot of 40 or 50-year olds in these times who were introduced to such a thing as a CRPG (or RPG, in some instances) when they were a kid.

I can see myself outgrowing Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale. But DnD and SP? Never. ;)

[ August 15, 2002, 02:21: Message edited by: C'Jakob ]

OK, I'm 41 years old. I love cycling, my corvette and role playing games. I've been playing them since Zork on the Apple IIe and fully expect to be playing Baldur's Gate IX and Unreal Tournament 2020.

It's time to stop playing when you don't want to do it anymore. Other people can think whatever they want!

Out.

"So, are we a bunch of unique outcasts"

Hmmmm. I'd say more like "seen the rest of the world, and need a break from all the death and destruction for a little while".

Oh, wait a minute...I'm *roleplaying* death and destruction.
My bad.

"When are you too old for computer games?"

GOD IN HEAVEN! Is that possible?!!!?!

I didn't realize that was a choice. It's like when you're taking a multiple choice exam, and three people around you write in answer "Q"; nun of the above.

I'm female, and still young, but I'd like to think I'll keep playing RPGs until I'm completely immobile. When are you too old to play? When you can't manipulate the mouse anymore! (Or when you can't get your great-great-grandchildren to do it for you.)

As for lack of female P&P RPG players, I have seven D&D books (including the three core rulebooks, the Psionics Handbook, and some Forgotten Realms ones) but I have yet to actually play. :o Now that I know how dire the situation is, I'd better go sign up! (Even though the game is mostly only played by college kids in this town...)

The reason I haven't joined in yet is 'cause I'm so shy. I imagine alot of girls who like RPGs are embarassed about it. (This is probably another difference between men and women.) I don't believe I am like most girls. I have only one close friend (a boy) and we meet every week to watch Anime and play Zelda and Diablo (I am going to give him BG for his birthday next month). I *like* playing CRPGs, and I don't want to be shy about it. Someday I *know* I will join in on P&P RPGs.

I will NEVER out grow video games! Ever!

Here's the deal with most women:

I used to teach anyone, in my neighborhood/church, who was interested in learning how to "maximize" his or her computer skills. I taught them how and when to defrag the HD, use MS Word, Internet Explorer...and other programs.
I offered what I called 'Packages' (for free…well, except for when someone would “pay” me by inviting me over for dinner).
They were: Basic Computer skills/maintenance, ISPs and Networks, and Gaming: Installing/Playing/uninstalling.

Anyway, most guys (75%-80%) wanted to learn how to play games against other people on the net via 56K, DSL, or T1; as well as some of the other packages.
Most women (90%-100%) ONLY wanted to learn how to use their ISP, how to use AIM, and/or MSN Messenger...that’s it. I would offer them free lessons on basic computer maintenance, as well as any other package I thought could help them, but most (95%) said they didn't want it, or they let their husbands do all that “hard” work.

My thoughts: Women need to sit down in a chair and play the Baldur's Gate Saga, or some other RPG that they will become addicted to!!!

They also need to learn how to do as much as they can with computers. That way, when it breaks...which it will...they can fix it without waiting for their husbands to come home.

And that is my two cents....Am I a sexest? Hell no! I know of meany women that know more about comuters than I do...they all just live in different countries. :rolling:

[ August 15, 2002, 07:54: Message edited by: Kitrax ]

I started playing BG, when I was 8 years old and havent stopped since. I beat BG and M&M 6,8 with my mother, who is 31 now.

And I say, I WILL NEVER stop playing. I love it too much.

Ezellohar Shark(stupid SoA does not work)

All adults I know can't or wouldn't play a computer game if I paid them. Then they say that they're bad! How could they possibly know.
I have no knowledge if girls play PnP here for the simple reason that I'm the only person I know who does! (but I am slowly inflicting people with it)
I can't see myself not playing Games, its an absurd notion.

Never.

I shall play computer games as long as I am able, i.e. until I can't move the mouse or my brain turns to mush.

I started playing computer games before I learned to ride a bike! And if I ever have cildren, I will teach them to use a computer and play good games such as BG2...

Ara
(If this is a double post, blame the server... )

I am a thirty-two year old woman, and I had to laugh when I read your post, Blue, because my kids' friends can't believe I game, either.

I had a conversation with some kid about Magic: the Gathering at my kids' camp just the other day:

He was sorting through his MTG Prophecy cards.

Methylviolet: "Do you have any of the avatars?"
Kid: "This is Prophecy. Those are from Odyssey."
Methylviolet: "Um, no. Avatars are from Prophecy."
Kid: "No, they're not -- anyway, a *mom* into *Magic*? That's just wrong. A *dad*, OK, but not a *mom*."
Son of Methylviolet: "What! My mom is totally into Magic! She has two boxes this big..."

My mom and grandmother used to play online Bridge. My stepmom plays some online gambling game called "Pop-It." My former boss has played Diablo, but not much. But yeah, my female friends think I'm a big goof-ball for liking things best left to 14-year-old boys.

"When are you too old for computer games?"
When you die. That's about the only straight answer I can give you. Admittedly, recently between my job and my other duties I've had little time for gaming.

I honestly don't really care what people think of my gaming habit. It's none of their business what I do in my free time. Very few of my coworkers game, and most are offended by the notion. I can't say that I personally know any girls that game, and if I ever met one, that would be heaven!

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[ August 15, 2002, 17:28: Message edited by: Rastor ]

As has been said above, there really isn't any specific age to give up - but as people get older things do change. Some are going to want to be giving up, others only getting into them quite late on.

With the variety available these days, there is increasingly things to appeal to different dispositions. I couldn't really of the younger gamers to be able to fully appreciate a title like Torment, but have no problems with getting to grips with Diablo for example.

Personally I find as I'm getting older (but still far from old in my mid 20's), I'm more selective these days. Looking through something like PC Gamer, their seem to be fewer titles of interest, despite now having a machine to run most things, but those are do look to be of generally increasing appeal. And to last.

As for over 30's, for myself I can't say whether I'll be gaming or not, if it still appeals then I will. As for opinions of others, as people are growing up with them being commonplace, then it won't be seen as unusual to carry on past student years.

I can't say that I personally know any girls that game, and if I ever met one, that would be heaven!
Seems like you can find a few of them in here... ;)


Most women (90%-100%) ONLY wanted to learn how to use their ISP, how to use AIM, and/or MSN Messenger...that’s it. I would offer them free lessons on basic computer maintenance, as well as any other package I thought could help them, but most (95%) said they didn't want it, or they let their husbands do all that “hard” work.
It's sad, but you're right. I've made the same experience. And I don't want to be called a sexist for saying this, for I'm a woman myself, but what Kitrax says goes for almost every woman I know. I suppose they think it is too "technically", and consequently think it's a male activity. Nothing could be more wrong. Hah! (But then I'm an engineer...) It's surprising to see how stubbornly conservative people really are.

Personally I think everything around data and computers is exciting and interesting, but I'm obviously not an average woman, not in that field at least...but then again I was the girl who climbed in trees and shot with bows and arrows against the "cowboys", while the other girls played with dolls and hair-do's.... :D

Seems like most women, when they grow up, become so serious, rational and mature - and in my eyes - very boring - no room for fun and play. I certainly have no intention of growing up.... :)

There does seem to be an age limit for computer games, that I've noticed anyway... The oldest person I know who actively games in P&P is around 30, the oldest I know who uses their computer for games is around the same age, both so these people would have been caught up in the rush of computers when they became widely available, so that could explain the maximum age.
You can be older than 30, and still have been "exposed" to computers for a very long time. I'm in my thirties now, and computers have been my hobby (and work) for more than 20 years, before they were called PC, when you were considered a geek or a nerd just for having one. But in the beginning there weren't many games for them. The monitors were tiny and didn't have colours then, they were in black and white, later brown/orange, dark green/bright green and dark blue/white. The first game I remember playing was "tennis" (don't remember the exact name) with two white discs on a black background, bouncing a white dot between them.

The first adventure games were purely text based, not a single picture on the screen. It felt fantastic when games like Kings Quest 1, Police Quest 1 or Larry Laffer came, with pictures of buildings and people. Who cared that the characters looked like they were built of Lego bricks... You had to type every command for your character, and if you didn't use the exact word the program expected, nothing happened. You could spend days before you finally found the right word to get your character to perform a specific action, and it was a battle of will and patience, especially when you didn't know that much English... This was long before Microsoft or Windows or a mouse ever existed, and there were no cheats and no internet.... :p

For one who has followed the development of games from "tennis" until todays graphics, it's incredible to see the difference. I intend to continue following this development, and I'm certainly going to bring my pc and games with me when I go to old people's nursing home, and play as long as my arms work and my eyes still see.

And if computer games still are considered to be childish by then, well, then I'll be the oldest child I know. :cool:

[ August 16, 2002, 04:25: Message edited by: Blue ]

I'm a younger one but don't know why some adults look at playing games is childish and they try to be all mature. You know I hate that I think they need to play a few games then maybe they will lighten up a little. I think it would be cool if my Grandpas were playing these games or evn my mom or dad. But, at least I have my uncle who plays BG and BG2 (also known as The Wise and The Grey on sp if ever seen but he hasn't been on for a while).

Well, I'm a mere 12 years of age, and I've already been playing games for at least 10 years. I find that there are very few people of my age who I can say understand computer games and computers in general the way I do ;) . I am yet to meet a girl who enjoys games, they seem to generally fear and hate games. As for pen and paper, I find that I am one of a select group of three or four people in my year who play, or would ever consider plaing a pen and paper rpg.

It isn't very fair that some people criticise p&p aswell as computerised games, we play them because we enjoy them and isn't that the whole point of living, to enjoy yourself? (well it is in my opinion...)...

Three days after you are buried in a coffin a fathom down. Alive or dead.

Well

I am female, have just had my 46th birthday and if anything I play MORE computer games now than I ever did.

I have a G4 Mac, and bought a PC because there were not enough games I liked out for my Mac.

I own most games, haven't played them all cos real life gets in the way.

My mates at work think I am strange, my daughter (who is 18 - thinks I just haven't grown up yet - she is right). My boyfriend plays computer games but not RPGs, he is yet to be hooked.

My mother who is 78 looks at me strangely, she doesn't even own a computer.

But I am not going to give up games. There is nothing worth watching on the TV, I don't want to go out drinking every night, and usually hobbies are just boring.

I have just been introduced to a group of people who play Diablo II on line, and I have joined them a few times playing multiplayer, and now I am hooked again.

I put my Diablo II back in the box at least 2 years ago, after getting to nightmare level in single play, because I bought the BG series and never looked back, now Diablo is back with a vengeance and I can honestly say I am enjoying myself.

So when are you too old to play games? NEVER.

Lady Zidane

:)

I'm still pretty young but, It looks like it's gonna be a long time before I stop playing games all the way. It's been a part of me ever since and its a habit I can't really let go.
I would of course stop if its starting to become a hindrance with my everyday life or my soon-to-be family would suffer because of me and my computer gaming.
I guess I just expect the worst that might happen, but it looks like games would be with me all the way! :)

Wow, that's exactly what I was hoping to hear, Lady Zidane! You rock! :roll:
Hope to meet more women like you! :wave:

:hippy:

I know a man who's 70 and he's a pensioner. So he has enough time and is playing a lot of computer games. But as he's only talking german you will never met him here.
His wife has a lot of boredom because she dislikes computer games. But she likes sending emails all around the world (to people who can understand german).
That old man loves Skat and me too. So we are Skater not skater. :p
And my best girlfriend (45) asks me everytime i meet her, if i have a new computer game for her. She says she likes to play at night. Playing until 2 in the morning. But she dislikes RPG's and i never heared her talking english. She played sheep, lemmings and such games. She has three children but they are not really children anymore. And the children don't play any computer games. So i suppose gaming is independent of age.

The ladies are doing a fine job with this thread, but I think I will jump in here anyway.

My moniter is set so that I can see things without glasses (640x480) and my beard is as white as snow. I will quit playing games when they pry my dice out of one cold, dead hand and my mouse out of the other.

I was already an "adult" when D&D came to Texas in the White Box. I've been playing ever since and have absolutely no plans to stop.

As a friend of mine once quoted, "They can make me grow old, but they can't make me grow UP!"

I just turned x - 30 years on wednesday and i'm really overjoyed finding so many females playing RPG! And over 20 years of age, too! I'm not alone!

Speaking for one who is definately in the older range, I'm 40, anyone who loved to play these type of games when they were younger will still be playing them when they are older. I began playing RPG's in the early 70's and still play today. In fact, I run two on-line RPG sessions that you can follow in the Roleplay Corner Forum. The only difference between "Us" older players and you "younger" players is that we have been playing longer.

Here's some thoughts from a 21 year old male:

I got a lull from video games this summer with my job as a camp counselor and I can say it's quite easy to just forget about gaming and get involved with other things. I can sympathize with adults who don't understand other adults gaming - you just get caught up with whatever else is going on in your life. But on the other hand, I've already started resuming my gaming and am anticipating IWD II's release.

But as a few have said, lately games in general are starting to loose their appeal. I see more and more remakes of a certain kind of game, as if it's done by a formula now. If this keeps up, I can easily see myself giving up gaming.

Another thought is most everybody has an "escape". To the majority of people it's a favorite TV show, but to the majority of us it's a favorite game or type of games. Someone else mentioned it and I will too. What is the difference between making sure you get to see your favorite TV show, or playing your favorite game? Both are entertainment. And I prefer games over TV.

Well, I haven't done any tabletop RPG for a while, in this college town, it's hard to find a stable gamimg group. The last one I was in tanked due to my divorce...

On Ironworks early this year, there was a 91 year old grandfather posting in the Wizards and Warriors forum... we also have as young as 10 yr olds there; so I conclude from that that you can never be too old OR young for computer games :)

Never. Games are for life.

You're never too old to play.
Ever.