I was wondering if anyone believes in real magic...or if anyone here is a wiccan...because i really need some assistance...

which spell? black, white or grey? i excell in all of them, especially hexes. heres a bit of advice, always use a warding spell beforehand, no matter how long it takes.

I know a little good witchcraft, but I don't advise messing around with that sort of thing unless you know what you're getting yourself into, even those who do are taking risks, can't imagine what sort of assistance requires such drastic messures, be careful ok?
I personally would stay well away

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but its fun putting a hex on the sportiest person in school who also happens to bully you and then watching him limp around with a broken leg...

well ok, I'll give you that one ;)

Well i need a disspell spell y'see... Because i suspect that my ex before she dumped me was put under a spell...y'see she is a wiccan and she gave a boy that fancied her a love spell and another which i think is a hate spell (she all of a sudden turned gothic) So i need a disspell spell to rid of the spells being cast onto her...but first tell me are there any down sides or backfires? Like if she wasn't put under a spell i would sort of take a side affect? And could you mail it me? Me add is taufiq13@hotmail.com

basic magic principal:the rule of three's.
curse em all you like, but its gonna rebound on you one day, even something as (seemingly) safe as a love spell can have pretty bad repercussions.(i know this from experience!) as for getting someones leg broken, well, just watch out for that out of control bus dude!
if its possible to do it without magic, do it without magic. its far easier.
as for dispelling, well, i dont think a "mage war" is a good way to win someones love, and if she was bewitched away from you by this bloke, he's gonna get board of her and hex someone else soon enough, try just being there for her when it happens.
magic IS dangerous, even to american wiccans.

You don't need magic to live your life. If someone pisses you off, piss him or her off back. Clock the bastard/***** a good one if you have to.There's no need to resort to such cowardice. A fist is as powerful as a fireball.

This is absurd! Magic does not exist! Laying a hex on the sportiest person on school? Oh please, what are the chances of a sportsman versus a couch potato getting an injury?

I suspect that all this neo-magic/wiccan thingy is more like a recreational club or something where like people get together to make believe they have awesome powers.

Also sort of like those fake religions like Scientology.

Hey don't worry! I'm not the kind of person to bear curses on people...i only have 1 spell at the moment and that is a contact spell...Never used it though...Actually do any of you have healing spells? Like heal a cold etc.? Cos i really only want to use magic to heal thyself and others and not for war like purposes...

Ooook...

Remind me not to EVER open a separate forum for young hexmaster wannabes. :D

rule of three doesnt exist, just made up by people who want a reason not to try spells, i do very little spells but most of the ones that i do do work after a day or two, the key is finding the right divinity who will take your side in the cause, so say you want to get back at a girl who dumped you, do not pray to a female god as she will most likely side with her and cast the magic on you, if you think logically about it then you will see that there are spells and stuff out there, you just have to look, i am being tottaly serious.

whats a hex thingy? :confused: A curse or something? And if i'm not wrong, if you cast a curse on someone you get it 3 times back no?

its a curse that you totally control, and no it doesnt come back to you unless you do a warding spell, check ur emails cuz i sent you a message sniper.

If you need a hex to get back at a girl that has dumped you....you have my utmost pity indeed.

What do you mean pity? I don't want to cast a hex though the thought of aquiring the spell might prove useful in certain conditions...

i've never actualy casted a hex on a girl, i was just using that as an example of what gods not to use when casting a spell, so say you wanted to cast a spell on bill clinton, do not pray to the god of power or infidelity.

Yeah so like why the pity?

See all this? That's human logic in the works. HUMAN logic. What makes you think there are even sectarian divinities? What makes you think a female divinity would not help you hex a woman?

Isn't it all in the interpretation? Your mind cooks up all the necessary explanations.

Try ACTION instead of hexes and other mumbo jumbo if you want results.

Course you're a real sad, sad case, sniper.
No offense.

Offense taken
So what makes me a sad sad case?
Look i'm only 15 and am not always able to cope with matters big or small with a great degree of maturity. I've just been dumped by my girlfriend to find that she's going out with a kid 2 years younger than me and he is now trying to pick a fight with me!

Ok she's going out with a bloke 2 years her senior (she dumped that young dick!) BUT! This older bloke is mates with those 2 numskulls who want to do my head in...WHAT THE HELL IS THIS WORLD COMING TO????

Oh yeah how to cast hexes?

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Oh yeah does any1 want me to keep them updated on what happens on this dilema and others connected to it?

Rakanishu, I gotta tell you something.

I am a Roman Catholic. I worship 1 God. I believe in 1 Church. I will never practice magic, as it is illegal in Catholic law.

Why make something illegal if it doesn't exist?

In (I believe) Acts of the Apostles, two of the disciples convert a *wizard*. A wizard, one who could cast spells, cure ills, etc.
After his conversion, he burned his books and scrolls and never practised magic again.

rakinshu, just because you dont believe that doesnt mean it doesnt exist just because your tiny little mind cant comprehend it, if you dont believe in something then thats ur business, this subject is obviously for people who do belive in magic and want to discuss the inner workings of spells but you come barging in and try and force your views on us by telling us what to do "if you want results then try action instead of all the mumbojumbo crap", we belive it and if you dont then dont try and force your views on us please, if you want to rant and rave about not believing in magic then set up a seperate subject and discuss it there but not here where all that wants to be done is to discuss magic between those who DO believe, i'm not saying that ur not welcome cuz thats not my choice i'm just saying that u shouldnt force your views on other people who dont share ur views.

oh and sniper did you try the spell i emailed you?
tell me if it worked out.

No i havn't used it YET...cos she broke up with him BUT she's going out with one of HIS mates...Now would you think that they are all using her? I think i might also have to cast a dispell spell on myself as i reckon i'm cursed...Y'see, i start doing these really dumb things and i'm getting pains for no reason...

By the way Sniper, this is interesting, if no one else objects, I should like to hear updates on your situation.

I believe in the possible existence of magic and would gladly welcome any opportunity to work it. Alas, I prefer to rely on my fists, wits and speech instead.

This all sounds really fantastic, how do you go about with a magik thingymajig?

Magic...well, first things first, you need to believe in it, second, you need a bit of money to buy equipment such as a spellbook (any book) Candles radiating power (Candles of different colour and size) And er...well thats what you need at least...And er...well go and get em spells! BUT! people if possible try to use them for a good purposes and always try to consider the consiquences of the spell and try not to use them for selfish actions (force love upon)...

UPDATES: The kid has been gathering his friends and goes to the bike sheds (where i usually go at the end of school) after school. The numbers usually are from around 4-8 people...There are a less number of us but we're 2 years older and are better physically built...So nothings happened thus far...Its like the cold war at the moment...

Also, some girls and maybe a few boys are planning to beat up me ex...Question is, should i or should i not interfer? Thats your call people...Tell me what you think what i should do...Watch or help me ex (if i help me ex maybe she will see what she saw in me at the start of our relationship) or whatever?

help her, but help her because shes in trouble and not because you want her back, help her because you dont want her to get hurt and dont even think about tryin to win her over. basically help her for all the right reasons and dont overstep yourself and try to just make urself look good, if they threaten her then have a quiet word with them where your ex cant see as she might not want you interfereing in her life now that you are broken up. if you see a gang of them or hear that they are gonna hurt her then just walk in and solve the situation with your fists but dont gloat and say "that was easy" or anthing like that, just kick their **** in, make sure shes ok then leave. got it?

I belive in magic, and I belive in candles, and i belive in money.

w00t

What herf said.

Hey Herf is quite a mature kid for a 14 year old...considering that most 14 year olds are dickheads and yeah, guess, i'll follow your suggestions...I just wonder whether those girls and girl beaters are serious though...

Honour would dictate that you step in and foil the woman beaters. I approve heartily of thy course.

Well, Sniper, if the threats real you should definately help. Perhaps I have a male dominance complex, but I can't stand guys beatin' on girls.

Usually, the threat is not real...I have often fallen prey to this kind of machismo. There'll be a lot of talk, and gnashing of teeth, but be careful or you'll make an ass of yourself.

In any case, the only fair fight is one on one. If anyone violates this unspoken law, they deserve to be on the receiving end of a blanket party.

D'you take martial arts classes Sniper?

Yeah I take martial arts...blue belt in taikwondo to be honest.

What a drag! The fight hasn't even commenced yet if it is to commence...

Blue belt in Tai Kwon Do is definately good.

Which school? I'm partial to Horange Chung Shin myself. (Not sure about the spelling of that middle word there. It's spelled out phonetically.)

I just started Tang Soo Do about three months ago! I'm only an Orange belt, but I've started sparring & I definitely enjoy it!

As far as the girl thing...I think you defend her regardless of your past history. I do not approve of guys beating on women.

But what happens if the girls start on me?

I'm not sure by what you mean in school Sapiryl?

But what if the girls start on me as well as i'm pummelling the 'girl beaters'?

Well, if terribly outnumbered, I prefer to leap into a tree to gain a tactical advantage. Then you can place yourself wherever you wand, to flee or to fight. You ought not to hit the girls though.

Ok...I'll just push them then...But if they start hitting me in the groin then i go berserk!

Well Sniper, styles include Karate, Tai Kwon Do, Ninjitsu, Kung Fu, etc. But there are inner sects within styles. Tai Kwon Do is from Korea, and some of the original masters had different thoughts about the goals of the Art. Some thought it should be for offense, others defense. Horange Chung Shin is a defensive version of Tai Kwon Do. That's what a school is.

As for girls attacking you, I have an idea. You know that axiom: "Guys shouldn't hit girls". I think it should be "Guys shouldn't hit ladies". If they're ganging up on one person (your ex), they are not ladies and therefore free game.

Ok...My school is the same as yours...for defensive purposes then.

About those girls...well what about this? Y'know girls or women want equality? Well it wouldn't be equal to just beat the boys and leave the girls alone would it? Everyone must get the same treatment! Otherwise it wouldn't be equal!

You see, it's really only the feminists that complain about that equality crap. You see, feminists don't want to be equal. They want to be put on a pedestal. Well, if they want to be put on a pedestal, they should act like they belong there. Things for them to do:

1) Should have to apply to Selective Services at age 18.
2) Should have the same insurance as men.
3) Should get the same number of scholarships, college opportunites, and work opportunites as men. As of now, women have about 3 times the scholarship, college, and work opportunites as men. You wonder why some men are bitter chauvanists?
4) They should be taken off the minority list. Oh, you didn't know that women were a minority? Well they shouldn't be! They make up about 52% of the world's population.
5) Stop whining. Whiners get nowhere.
6) Get out of the pornography business. YES! There are men in pornography, how many do you know? Women make up the majority of the pornography business, if they quit, it would fail. Stop acting so servile.
7) Get outa those stupid soap operas! No one is going to respect you if all you do is fight with the quilting group about how many guys you should sleep with in 1 night! (see 6)

There are more, but I'm feeling to political, and I should stop. If anyone disagrees, feel free to argue.

Taluntain, if this is a reason to close this thread, I'll make an official written apology in order to keep it open. (The rest is too good to be dropped for this.)

Alrighty then, its settled, If they start on me i'll treat them like normal people in a fight...Kick **** into all of them! Every bloody last one of them! COME ON!

Regardless, I would still feel uneasy about striking a woman. She could stick a knife in me and I wouldn't do anything.
Ah well.

What are you? A zombie? If she stuck a knife in me i'd repay the favour the fold!

It just isn't right to me, striking a girl.

I guess we all have our different opinions...but don't get me wrong, i'm no woman beater...I just respond with violence to violence...of course, depending on the reason for the violence, i may choose to react violently...

Ah magic...I myself am learned in the arts...
*spreads out arms and a ball of flame surrounds him*
I wonder if Sniper could do the same?

*recites some mystial words and evil snipers ball of flame freezes around him and he cant move*
know this little man, i am your master, your lord, i am immortal, your magic is parlour tricks compared to my magic, if you ever annoy me little man, i will kill you.

Little man? I am not mortal such as Sniper...I am death and hell bound together as one...I am Immortal put into the cast of a mortal to disguise myself. I shall battle an eternal war against the forces of light and all that oppose me...

i shall destroy your mortal body and your consciousness shell me lost forever and it shall join the screaming souls that surround me and all you will be able to do is scream!
the light opposes all of us darkfriends! we must destroy the triad of gods angels, only then will the forces of good be brought to their knees and be forced to pray at beelzebub's, our master, feet.
you are nothing compared to me, destroyer of worlds, all men are little compared to me and my powers, i am ONI, the demon that awaits you always and destryos your mind!!

My lord is that of Diablo, Mephisto and Baal...and i shall rise as one of the Prime evils should i destroy Sniper and his weakened form...I am invinsible to all save Sniper...as he was a part of me he alone knows of my weaknesses...

destroy sniper as he alone knows your true power!

I shall...and i shall do it well
*dissapears into shadows*

*thinks for a while then materialises in snipers room and follows him into the shadows...

OK you guys have some nice arguments and stuff but i think you have to much sparetime.

BTW is it just me or does Evil sniper (weird) sound like somthing from Diablo II or is it just me?

I always picture him as Baal in the cloak when he talks to the Marius i think his name is...

Yes, you ARE spending too much time here.

I know...its pretty sad :( ...i ought to spend more time with the guitar...

Guitars.....blunt heavy objects....paladin heads....

Ay laddo, but have ye forgotten that yon paladins got steel caps on their 'eads?

Anywho, I have a friend who can play "Yankee-Doodle" and "Dixie" at the same time on one guitar. Everyone has their special little gifts I guess. Personally, the only thing that I can really play is the radio. And the kazoo, but not as well.

Blunt yes, but hollow mine is...acoustic...

Hmmm. Well it seems you are in luck! Most paladin's heads are hollow as well! That may explain the hollow noise their heads make when hit with the guitar. And you thought that sound was just their helm...

If You need Magic here you go http://www.spellsandmagic.com

Clck Enter Tada

OMG you guys can't be serious about this... please for the love of anything tell me this can't be... otherwise there will be blood shooting out my temples by the time I'm done arguing this foolishness... and I'd rather not have that happen. :)

Come sisters, let us consult the book of shadows!

Why are you people trying to use magic to solve your problems? Well, that is if you people can accually use it. I don't believe in magic, I believe in one God our Father who created everything. I don't mean to try and barge in, trying to convert you all, but that's what I believe. Oh, and by the way, it says in the Bible that those who believe in magic will NOT enter the Kindom of Heaven. But if you want to continue to believe in it, that's your choice. Sorry if I appeared a little rude, but this stuff bothers me. Just wanted to express my opinon. I mean, that's what these boards are for.

Sniper, how did you post three replys in a row on the first page?

Alex, I know exactly what you mean. I could say much more, but I think I've been rude enough. Sorry again for objecting to your.....well.....beliefs.

[This message has been edited by Rolsuk Fryulee (edited June 09, 2002).]

Rolsuk Fryulee, look at the date that this thread was posted at originally - well over a year ago. At that time, it was possible to post repeatedly like Sniper did in a topic.

... Until annoying people started abusing it. Besides, no religious offense intent, if there wasn't magic, how could God create everything? I personnally don't believe in God, but if that's what you believe in, that's alright.

Of course I don't believe in magic. I believe in fake sorcery that never works no matter how promising those copyrighted witch books say.

*Looks up and notices the past that he had relinquished, staring him in the face ... Others had revived his memories*

Yeah, that was me back then ... i was well ... really into that girl ... we are nothing more than good friends now ... though we did get back together for 4 months after the topic was last used (January 2001)

Anyway, for me, i have progressed and yes i still believe in magic etc. but i don't use it anymore ... though i still have my spell book ... totaled to about 6 spells in the end if i am correct... anyway, the most active form of magic in my life is that of what lies in my imagination from when i go play dungeons and dragons and the like ...

Six spells? Get a few more and you'll qualify for a second level wizard. You'll gain another hit die, too. And possibly better saves, in case someone puts an eeeevil curse on you.

Hmm, I find it odd to wonder about how god could create a world without magic, then saying there is no magic. Contradicting yourself? Anyway, I'd see him as 'shaping reality', not 'magicking up a few planets and stuff'.

When there is so much that we can do -- when, sitting here in our modern industrialized countries, each one of us has almost limitless power to reinvent ourselves and change our lives -- to learn anything, to go anywhere, to enjoy a freedom of action and social mobility unequalled in history -- WHY do any of you need magic, or God, for that matter, to give you a sense of power? WHY cannot people take *reality* on a WYSIWYG basis? The physical world -- that is, the only world there is -- is full of wonders surpassing anything the Apostle Paul or Gary Gygax could think of.

Not the least of wonders -- the human mind.

If I were a chick, and I'm not, incidentally...but if I were, and I found out you had a spellbook, I'd have dumped you too.

As would I. I'm pretty sure that kind of stuff would freak out any girl...

It would certainly make the needle jump on the Dork-o-meter.

Dump someone because of the book?
What kinda girl would that be?
Ignorant or stone-age?
Or you ment dump as inquisition's "burn 'im alive!"

I assume that you have read the topic. Yes? Good! then let me refresh your minds alittle here. My ex-girlfriend is a wiccan! She has some 100 page book of shadows thing! I have a small book with 6 spells. And here you are coming up with silly little comments on how that it is no wonder that i was dumped over some book? Get a grip! And its plain as daylight that having a magic book doesn't affect our relationships with other people. She's had a few lads after me as i have with girls after her.

Maybe its time that you actually opened your eyes and blink for once against the sunlight of truth and reality! :mad: :flaming: :mad:

That is just *shallow*. I would never dump a guy just because he picked his nose(in fact, if he did that, I would've never started off with him anyways, but that's beside the point) But anyways... 6 spells? Not enough. Get some more.

...and back we go to the Real World, where reality reigns king over all creation...

Oh No! Sniper's mad! Beware! Beware!

/me casts protection from Sniper out of 8 1/2 x 11 spiral binder spellbook..

Buff me!

Why are you goin mad with that...

Just say that you don't think that magic exist and that's it, you need to say no more... come on...

Personally, I don't believe that magic and god exist but it's his choice to believe in it. Say what you think and that's it. no need to make fun with that.

We're not 10 years old people, we can talk about something without attack anyone... no?

Chris

I agree with Chris. This is an old thread, why was it even brought up?

On a side note: I believe in God, and right in the Bible it says there was a practicing sorcerer, so that kinda tells me that I should believe in magic too.

(P.S. don't turn this into a religious debate, these are my opinions, and this thread is not centering on the rights and wrongs of the human morale system.)

You're right, of course. We wouldn't want anything like *humor* sneaking into our sober boards, would we? :rolleyes:

Perhaps I am wrong, but Sniper's last post didn't seem that...what's the word? Oh yeah, entertained. The thing about humour is that people have to find the situation funny.

Maybe I'm out of line in this instance, but I don't think that egging someone on is that humorous.

You're right, Gonzago! Blast these infidels who dare to oppose the holy, sacred and pure with their "jokes," "sarcasm," and "playful comments..."

Gonzago, grow up.
If you have nothing intelligent, let alone relevant to say, then do not post here. I intended this topic to be discussing issues based on magic and not on my habits/beliefs and how it would affect a girl.

And as for this board being sober with no humour, get a damn grip! There are plenty of other 'not-so-serious' topics that you could go and spend your time at.

So why don't you just go to these 'lighter' topics and become a disturbance there? Of course, if you want to contribute something meaningful, relevant and useful to this topic then go ahead and feel free. But until you actually start respecting other people's views and beliefs, i suggest you keep your trap shut and go bother someone else! :mad:

EDIT:
That applies to you too SlimShogun :shame:

Anyway, back to the original topic. Please state your views on whether you believe in real magic and maybe why...


[This message has been edited by Sniper (edited June 12, 2002).]

Real magic? And this is a serious topic? Oh, brother...

So to answer: no I do not believe in it or rather more precisely I do not believe it exists. However, I'm not quite sure what is defined as magic here. If you mean putting a curse on someone then definitely no. Hypnosis, also no. However, things like people walking over hot coals, or lying on a bed of nails - I'm not so sure about...


:yot: She dumped you coz your spellbook was too small? Eh, the girls today... :toofar:

HAHAHAH..."Spell Book."

You've got a spell book that you use and expect to work, and you're telling *me* to get a grip?

That's rich.

And I am grown up, thank you very much. As soon as you work out that human problems like girls and bills and babies can't be solved by pentagrams, candlelight chants and refusing to say "Cthulu" (lest we invoke the beast), then you'll be grown up too.

Gonzago, if you are a grown up then act like one.

Vukodlak, can you just quit it with the whole girl thing. The topic isn't intended to talk about my personal life anymore. I initially created it to talk about 'Real magic' :yot:

posted November 19, 2000 15:07 I was just wondering if anyone here believed in real magic

That was the opening sentence. And that is what i want the topic to be about and not my damn personal life! What happened back in November 2000 is over! kaput! I just want this topic to be about what people think of the issue of real magic and if they belive in it, how do they use it.

Now enough of this! Lets get back on topic!

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What sort of *snicker* magic *giggle* do you talk about? Tossing fireballs around in the streets (All those guys that exist are probably stored somewhere by the FBI. It's a conspiracy, I tell you!), or some creepy Marie Laveau thingie accompanied by all the weird rituals and do-hickeys? Or some sort of force/psionics? (You have no idea of the power of the dark side... *hoo-kssh* *hoo-kssh*)

This is just pathetic. Thankyou for ruining a topic.

Taluntain please close the topic ... i'll start up a new one again sometime.

That's enough. I've seen enough that is verging on insulting (or at least mocking) to close the topic. Shame on your Gonzago and SlimShogun. One thing is to express your opinion, but this went way beyond it.

:nono: