What in your opinions are the best villians in the entire BG series? this is not just the major ones like Irenicus but it can also be the smaller ones like Firekraag.

I vote Irenicus Cause he seems to be the smartest had the most interesting backround IMO and had such great, villainous lines and a great voice actor.

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Poll Results: Coolest BG villain (66 votes.)

Coolest BG villain (Choose 1)
* Sarevok - 21% (14)
* Tazok (BGI) - 2% (1)
* Irenicus - 53% (35)
* Bodhi - 15% (10)
* Mellisan - 3% (2)
* Firekraag - 6% (4)

I agree with you on Irenicus. Although I have Bodhi as a close second.

Sarevok would have been higher in my opinion if we had seen more of him in BG1, à la Irenicus in BG2.

Melissan seems like a thrown-together character; for me, it was really obvious that she wasn't who she claimed she was, and that's a big flaw for a villain.

And even though Tazok and Firkraag don't have the same importance as the others, they are still cooler than Melissan in my opinion.

Easy pick - Irenicus. He was someone that you actually had to think about how you were going to take him down -- not just merely hack and slash away at him. Always one step ahead of you and just as you got close, he took off.

Bodhi might have been better had she been more than Irenicus' "sister". Her taunts and toying with the PC were great but when it came down to actually having to fight her, she's actually quite easy to defeat.

I don't think Melissan was necessarily a thrown-together character. It came as no surprise that she was the villian (the spirit grove tells you that, indirectly), but what I liked about her was trying to figure out her role in the whole thing and see just how far she was going to test your intelligence, as well as your tolerance.

There are a lot of cool villians in the game. My favorite would probably have to be Irenicus as well however. Its just the fact that he actually inspires emotion in me, everytime I hope Ill just be able to kill him in spell hold, even though i know I wont. It's just really cool. Also the first time around his story was fairly interesting, no?

I'm curious who did the voice of Irenicus, personally for me he was the best voice actor I've ever heard anywhere bar none! I always listen to his dialogs even now after the 10+ times through the game, that alone makes up for the horrible dungeon in the beggining of the game, when I hear his voice I always find that he does a great job at giving Irenicus the Sinister Villinous effect and yet sounds completely devoid and empty of emotion all at once, ("you will suffer you will all suffer" absouluty brilliant!!!

Also how did everyone kill Irenicus? the easy way by running away and waiting it out? or actually fight him the way the designers intended to in a straight up final battle (tree of life half) the latter way of killing him is actually quite difficult on insane difficulty, even though he was only a shadow of his potential shown at the beggining of the game, and it makes me wish Bioware put as much time into the rest of the ai so it would actually be a challange.

Regarding Mellisan. Considering she is supposedly an almost godlike power by the end of ToB I found her to be very dissapointing her ai didn't hold a candled to Irenicus and that's enough to prove she was rushed in typical expansion pack fashion.

@ Casey - The actor's name is David Warner. If you want to take a look at a list of the many roles he has played try

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001831/

I also agree with irenicus. One of the best villains ever!!! Though i did feel sorry for him abit after I found he got banished from Sundalensar(sp?)cause Bodhi is the one who corrupted to mess up w/ the Tree of Life.

Any way I'm pretty sure David Warner was the voice actor for irenicus. He did do voice acting for 20 some years nopw in various cartoon and other things so thats why he was probibly did the best acting in the game. He also did a commercial for McDonald's bacon chesse sandwich. Lol it was really wierd listening to him after playing BG2! :D


I thought Mellisan was a challenged in my opion. Thought still sorta weak considering she was almost a god by that time. I have Ascention so that's why I think she was challenge or maybe cause last I beat I didn't play the game for 6 months so I must have been rusty! :cool:

Edit: Opps, I didn't see that last post JSBB made! Yeah now I'm sure he did the voice for him.

Thats a lot of rolls. I only recognize a few and I saw who played certain voices in BGII, considering how good this guy must be I woulden't be suprised if he could have done all the characters himself.

Gotta go with Sarevok. Is that an awesome avatar he's got or what? Also, the opening movie to BG was quite an awakening to what you were going up against. Then there is the voice acting, some of the best of the series.
Quote: "Face ME!!! FACE THE NEW LORD OF MURDER!!!"

I have to go with Firkraag, because you said coolest or most interesting I forget which, but Irenicus is only a mage. I don't think that a mage is an interesting foe. Now dragons...there's a worthy opponent. ;)

I'm going to go with Irenicus. Its not what his profession is...but the way he speaks, the way he acts...its all really cool.

Have to say he was a welcome break from the usual world domination freaks you have to fight off...*cough* IWD2 *cough*

A close second however would be Bodhi...coolest vampire ever!!

Irenicus. Good voice and the influence of his power (and self-confidence)

Even though Irenicus is very well played, I think Bodhi is a bit more "cooler." :cool: Vampires, rawr. :p

Irenicus.

"You have nothing more than a fraction of your soul and somehow you continue to oppose me?!"

Well I personally thought that Tazok was a more deadly and competent side-kick then Bodhi, Tazok made threats and he actually had the power to back them up unlike Bodhi who was 90% talk and 10% challenge.

I voted for Irenicus. He was scary and the story about him was developed well, you found out more and more about him.

Irenicus!

Mages make the best villains.

And the best heroes too! :grin:

I loved Irenicus too, just because of his actor voice, that guy as a nice voice plus his speach are really cool.

Sarevok in BG1! (his avatar ROCKS)

Irenicus is just a f****ing wizard... I hate wizards.

Sarevok, no question about it. Sure Jon's a powerful, intelligent sorcerer but I still think he's a priss. He spends all of his time running from you rather than fighting you and he only faces you on his home ground.

I like Sarevok's voice acting far more than Jon's. Especially in ToB his maniac-laugh battle-cry is the best I've ever heard :evil: .

Abom: I'm curious have you played BG1?
It's been over two years since I played BG1 so forgive me if I'm wrong but, Sarevok runs from you in Balders gate after facing him when you ruin his plans to his hidden city, which is also his home ground.

Also Irenicus didn't "run" from you in Chapter 1 he allowed himself to be captured to lead you into his trap, It is as I predicted, it all has been. he say's in Spellhold before stealing your soul that just cannot be a coincidence. and when he runs from you in Spellhold it's because he thought you were dead so his own arrogance was used against him.

Sarevok runs from you only once and that is so he can use his full power against you. However most of Baldur's Gate involves you running from him and his assassins. Whereas in BG:II Jon is constantly running from you. Even at the start Jon has no intention of facing you, he could have blasted those cowled wizards into dust.

Lets not forget how perverted Jon is, trying to clone Ellesime.

Well it depends on how you look at it. For me i do not think Jon was perverted in the sense your probably thinking of, when he was exiled and had his soul taken he lost all ability to feel emotion, why do you think he sounded so emotionless and what he said about trying to "recreate her love in my mind and recapture it, but it is gone a hollow dead thing" (to Elisime at the tree of life) which I think you will agree is a blatant reference to his inability to feel emotion.

Also I don't think you read what I said about

It is as I predicted, it all has been. he say's in Spellhold before stealing your soul He does not run away after escaping his dungeon, period. It's part of his revenge plan, it's not hard to understand he leads you into a trap after you escape by stealing your childhood friend Imoen or alternatively for an evil pc the promise of power, you chase him, you find him or more like he finds you, he steals your soul, (he had links with Saemon and Yoshimo to drug you) and attacks Sundanesselar leaving you for dead.

Also considering how easy he makes it for you to escape his dungeon at the beggining of the game regarding the fact that the Guard Golem he leaves with the spare equipment to not attack you, I have trouble beliving someone as smart as Irenicus would do that by accident.

So to sum it up Irenicus only runs from you once as well and that's in Spellhold when he thought you should be dead and outnumbered him about 12:1 (with the prisioners on your side) so he isn't sticking around to be killed like Sarevok would he want's revenge and doesent care one bit about fairness.

Sarevok of course ;) Mellisan was probably the worst though ;x

I don't think any of these villains are all that cool. They all have rather minor parts to play int the story, by which I mean not that they aren't critical to the plot, but that there is little to no interaction with them. Yes, there are lots of cutscenes with Irenicus, but not much more. And the available interactions with him are so tightly controlled that they might as well not have any buttons to push for dialog options. Besides this, the Irenicus that appears in your dreams is not Irenicus but the instinct/taint, so that interesting bit with the Irenicus character is not to be attributed to Irenicus the villain. If I played evil, I suspect Bodhi would have a bigger role, so perhaps she's the pick of the litter. However, if I had my druthers, I'd probably vote for Yoshimo.

Yoshimo is great for a few reasons. First, unless you are a thief, or unless you happen to stumble across Jan early in the game, you really need Yoshimo. There's an intriguing tension between trust and need. Second, he is personable and has quite a bit of dialog and interaction with others. He's not as simple and flat as the characters in the poll. He's sneaky in the way he tries to manipulate you while leaving you in control. And even though you have to kill him, you really don't want it to play out that way. You would much rather find a way to keep him in your party, but his betrayal and demise is unavoidable. Sure, Yoshimo is not indespensible to the story, but he's a more well-developed character for interaction. Plus, he's a sympathetic villain, unlike the thoroughly despicable and unpitiable Irenicus or any of the other equally "simply evil" baddies.

You guys have got to be kidding, Sarevok has got to be one of the coolest villians of all time. Anyone who is a fan of the entire series (not just bg2) will most likely agree, I think Sarevoks voice acting is just as good as Irenicus, If not better, Sarevok is the man. Then again im just a fan of Kevin Michael's voice work, as well as Jim Cummings works in games. I cant beleive Jons votes are 57% over Sarevoks 19% :confused: I assumed the community would like Sarevok FAR more?

Bombur Irenicus doesnt show pity because he can't pity because he has no soul, because the Seldarine took it away from him, so he plots revenge on them by destroying Sundanesslar an rising to godhood (how original :rolleyes: and needs your soul to do this. He also want's Bodhi to have a soul too so he let's you escape and captures Imoen which means you have to go after him, so he gets two for the price of one.

And Vstyle Gove, this is one reason why Irenicus is more popular because Sarevok couldent come up with such a masterful plan like Irenicus did, for Sarevok it was simple "taint the iron make the people desperate, and elect me to rise to power and godhood by starting a war of bloodshed and sacrifce to Bhaal which he would never buy anyway"

It depends on how someone's villainy scale works.
There are those who prefer twisted, perverted, calculating schemers who would rather observe from a distance and take an active hand at something only when absolutely required, while others prefer frenzied, unyielding warriors who would want nothing more than to gouge themselves with blood and revel in the battlefield.

IMHO, real villainy is all about being truly perverted and evil, so the coolest one would be Neb, the child-killer.

@casey Bombur[,] Irenicus doesnt show pity because he can't pity because he has no soul...Sorry if my sesquipedalianism confused you. When I said that Irenicus was "unpitiable," I meant that he was not deserving of pity, not that he showed no pity.

IMHO, real villainy is all about being truly perverted and evil, so the coolest one would be Neb, the child-killer.Don't forget the Tanner... :mommy:

Sorry Bombur I took it the other way when you said unpitiable.

Obvious choice would be Irenicus (because of the good dialogues , especially the 'dream' ones), but I did chose Bodhi. Changing your lifestyle to take revenge (I mean the changing into a vampire) that must be true evil. The true evil ones are the fanatical ones right? Vampires are already bad , but the ones who like to become one are more than that , fanatic to stay like that (and to keep 'un'living of course).

As said before , Mellisan isn't that a villain , though she is quite clever. You did kill all her opposition FOR her , right?

I see Baron Ployer is not on the list. For shame.

Irenicus? Come on. You defeat him half-way through the game with the help of a bunch of lunatics. How totally not scary is that?

Yeah, Irenicus is quite good, and has his own storyline.
But I liked Sarevok better. You saw him in the prologue, in the intro, but you did not know him half the game. It was nice to discover his notes, letters, then journal. And his Rieltar plot, that was perfect. Anyway, bg1's plot was very good. Deep, complicated, changing.

I love Irenicus, once had my PC have his voice, too :p ...but that got quite confusing I tell you.

i voted bodhi, just love her way of toying around with the players.

come mousy, mousy :D

Irenicus was definitely the best. Execellent story, voice, tactics, lines - a combination of cleverness, wit and power.

'Twas a pity that I couldn't get him to join the party instead of Sarevok at the start of ToB.

Irenicus, by far. Maybe because the main story it's all about Irenicus and the main character. Plus, it has some romance in it. My favorite part takes place in Suldanessalar (don't know how to spell that one!) with Queen Ellesimme (don't know how to spell this, too :) ). That part is just too cool to describe in words. With Irenicus beeing a former elf and all that... Jonaleth... Way cool!
Another option would be Firekraag, but he has just too few lines to look at. Oh, well... Maybe it's just me, but I just love dragons!
@casey & JSBB:
"The actor's name is David Warner."
Well, JSBB, I think you're very wrong. The actor's voice belongs to Jeremy Irons. You know him, right? Remeber Dungeon & Dragons (the movie). He was the evil mage (forgot his name). Seems like he has some habits...

[ Actually, the actor's name is David Warner. You can confirm that on imdb.com ] - Beren

[ January 08, 2004, 20:50: Message edited by: Beren ]

Hyperion check the link it say's under his name that he played the voice of Irenicus.
And what do you mean habits?