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I figured out how to keep it and keep from going evil for killing the enslaved genie. I am surprised it's such an easy little trick in the game.

Much like you have your party member hasted in the selfishness test and just have them open up the good door and you don't lose the dex and the like.

The Genie has a very simple solution. Just Pickpocket him and you'll get the Tear of Bhaal. It will default to the good reward. You keep Black Razor and get the tear then walk out and continue on with the other tests.

[ March 14, 2006, 17:14: Message edited by: Taluntain ]

Heh, that's much easier than my method of charming the genie with a Mind Flayer Control Circlet (to prevent him from leaving after giving him Blackrazor), giving him the sword and then bash him to death to get the sword back. Btw, how do you avoid getting talked to by the genie? Can you simply hide in shadows to do that?

As for the selfishness test, I usually cast Spell Immunity: Divination to avoid the loss of hp and dex.

I'm curious though, is there a similar way to avoid the stat point loss in the dream when Jonny Boy takes your soul?

yes, i can't remember but its something like not letting the demon talk to you, i've done it and it is in a walkthrough her somewhere

you talk to it automatically but you should find an option asking if you can come back later and he'll say he'll be there and has no where else to go or something like that. Then you move up to him and just pickpocket him. You might get some gold first but the Tear of Bhaal is on him.

How much XP do you get from killing him anyways? I don't remember him being that hard anyway so why don't you guys just kill him!

Which? For the Black Razor or the Demon in the dream? For the Black Razor because it turns your alignment evil and some of us don't want that which has always been the big question on how to get both the good reward and the Black Razor sword.

The demon in the dream where you fight bhaal you talk to the demon and then quickly run inside cause it has to touch you before it can take your stat point

I didn't know your alignment changed ...

The dream demon warrants a separate thread.

Just tried it for a bit, but whenever I try to pickpocket the genie, I get the message "target has no items". I even get this message after I've given him Blackrazor, when he should still have Blackrazor on him.

I also couldn't get my kidnapped party member at the selfishness test to open the door, because his circle was blue (the same kind of blue as you get when you lose control of your slayer change in the maze). Could this be a fix from the Baldurdash fixpack?

Baldurdash 'fixed' the 'bug' with the companion kidnapping demon. I haven't found a way to get by it, either. I haven't tried a Contigiency of Dispel Magic with the trigger of Helpless. Dan Simpson's walkthrough has more info. You must be quick with the pause and have that character equipped with boots 'o speed.

I was wondering if Baldurdash noticed the pickpocket 'bug' of the Blackrazor and 'fixed' it as well.

No, it hasn't. The pickpocket still works with Baldurdash.

I heard that trying to talk with him when you surrender the blade but BEFORE he teleports will disrupt his spell so he will stay there. Then you can kill him at your leisure and take the sword back! Can you confirm it? (or you could juct make a very fast and succesful pick-pockets attempt?)

@Silverstar:
There are a couple things that could be wrong with that. One, you likely wouldn't be able to talk with him, getting the "X appears busy" message. Two, if you kill him afterwards, him being dead ought to trigger the evil reward instead of the good one.

And finally, for all you people who are so obsessed with gaining the good reward and the Blackrazor: For shame, you cheese merchants you. :p The entire idea is that giving up the Blackrazor to free the genie is a good act, while keeping it to use for your own purposes without caring what will happen to the innocent genie is an evil one. If you steal it back before he leaves, any DM worth their salt would make the genie unable to leave. And I don't imagine he'd be too happy about you taunting him like that. ;)

As for the selfishness trial: just get the PPG Quest Pack already! It includes a Revised Hell Trials component, which gives you neutral options. When you get to the selfishness demon, take the neutral path and challenge the demon to a fight. After you pound on each other for a while, he'll give you the Tear and you don't have to sacrifice attributes or party members.

@Felinoid

I remember doing something like that, I tell you, I stopped the genie from teleporting and killed him, and re-gained the sword. I thought 'uh oh I am turning reaaaly evil, for sure' but to my suprise I didn'T, for some strange reason game thought I did the good way, and I ended up getting the sword AND preserving my Neutral Good alignment! :shake:

While I agree that is kinda cheesy and cheating, and I should feel guilty. Meh I didn't use the weapon that much anyway, it was weaker in comparison to all other nice stuff I had thanks to my 30+ mods! And plus it was only +3. Sheesh! :p

I was just screwing around when I found it out.

All I have is Ascension. Monk HLA's from Oversight and Kelsey installed currently. As well as the official patches. No Balderdash fixpack on mine.

I can steal with him. But if I give him the sword first then I automatically get the target has no items thing. No pickpocketing the sword even if your quick.

Thing is that while a DM would make certain judgement calls. The Game says you have made your choice as soon as you have the tear of Bhaal in your possession. Just so happens that it defaults to the good side.

I haven't been able to disrupt and end his Teleporting out either way though.

Oh. I did use my familiar to pick the pocket of the genie as well. The Lawful Neutral one. Suppose I should do something to see if that makes a difference now that you got me thinking about it.

The Genie is there to guard the tear. Once the genie figures out that you have the tear, his duty is ended. Stealing the tear is a neutral act. The genie doesn't get hurt, and you get to keep the sword. Everybody wins. :)

If you kill him do you get a rep loss? Or just a different prize at the end of that part of the test?

If you kill him I believe you get a few hitpoints. the sword of course and your alignment changes to evil.

I remember that I was trying to take Blackrazor without having to kill the Genie, but as Starwalker said it was impossible.First I returned the sword to him for the good tear but when I tried to pickpocket it back I got the ''Target has no items'' message.

This is the only way I would ''accept''.Good alligned characters should not kill the Genie :nono:


As for the Demon Selfish I have found an interesting way to cheat him:

After the Demon speaks to you immediately pause the game.Then,while the game is paused,click on the left door to open it.Unpause and immediately, BEFORE you open the door,talk to the Demon.He will think that you have already opened the door and will give you the good tear ;) .

This is the only way for a non-mage soloer to take the good tear without having to sacrifice attributes.But it's also cheating :p

You don't lose the XP either pulling that trick?

Boots of speed you take the character that gets teleported in and run to the good door and open it. You lose a bit of XP if i recall. But it disables the whole thing. If you don't have Baldurdash fixing it of course.

Like I said in my above posts though I talked to the Genie asked if I could think about it and come back. Then just pickpocketed the Tear of Bhaal with my familiar.

You don't lose the XP either pulling that trick?
No,because you don't open any of the doors.


Like I said in my above posts though I talked to the Genie asked if I could think about it and come back. Then just pickpocketed the Tear of Bhaal with my familiar. Yes but then you have to kill the Genie if you want Blackrazor.My problem is that I don't want to kill it :angel:

By just stealing the tear of Bhaal from the Genie after saying you want to think about it. I didn't have to kill the Genie. I have Black Razor.

:confused: But can you exit the area if you don't talk again to the genie? Maybe I don't remember well.

Yep. Tell him you need to think about it. Pickpocket the Tear that acts as the good one. Walk right out. Nothing stopping you.