i mean come on if you say that you are a neutral force or whatever he gets realy *****y with you. but what about him hey. he's lawful neutral:rolleyes:

Anomen is lawful neutral because he often fails to live up to his LG ideals, not because he espouses the LN alignment. Anomen desires to be a true paladin, but has personal issues that he needs to resolve.

Aloha
Vormaerin

An aligment is always two words. The first word is about how you think of the Law, government etc, rulez, etc. The second word is more how you think... Lawfal, Neutral and Chaotic are the options for the first word, Good, Neutral and Evil are the options for the second word. The neutral part Anomen is complaining about is about the first word I think, and not about Neutral in good, neutral, evil. A secodn thing is that Anomen tries to be good but fails often....

[This message has been edited by Headbanger (edited October 31, 2001).]

and thats why i killed him :D

Anomen's ideals, (that is, the way he wants to be), are to uphold "goodness" within the "laws" of society. So, he aspires to Lawful Good alignment.

However, because he has waited so long for acceptance to the High Order of the Bleeding Heart,(which would help him realize that goal, above), his petulance and impatience are reflected in an apparent "Lawful Neutral" alignment - (i.e. "jeez, I just gotta uphold law and order, even if I have to cheat or whine about it").

Then, later, after he gains admission to the order, he's a lot like a zealous rookie cop - "uphold the law for goodness within the rules!" - his alignment changes to Lawful Good. (Unless he fails his "test" and is denied admission to the order, then watch out - he becomes a sullen delinquent! I forget, Chaotic Neutral?)

Ah, the refreshing philosophy of good vs evil... :roll:

[This message has been edited by Nivek The Mad (edited October 31, 2001).]

Will you please stop spitting on Anomen!!! *glower*

Anomen will do exactly the thing YOU tell him to do. Lawful Good or Chaotic Neutral - it all depends on YOU and only YOU, not Anomen.
So, when you screw Anomen, don't call him an idiot, but YOU.
He is annoying, lacks of clear thoughts, but idiot he ain't!

Besides, which NPC besides him gets so much weapon proficiencies with each level?

Anyone asking for *my* help in a serious family problem clearly *is* an idiot :p

exactly ironbeard you speak of the truth

I never had Anomen in my party.. And I suppose I better keep it that way for there seems to be lots of frustration about him :)

I still can't understand why almost everyone here hates Anomen so much. He's a good fighter and a terrific cleric, if YOU give him the right tools. His quest is really intersting, and it looks like the script people spent lots of time on developing his personality; it's more complex than any NPC in the game. He actually grows as a person, going through his quest - and what's wrong with asking for advice in a difficult situation? Isn't it what friends are for? After all, he is helping you in your quest!
He's anything but an idiot (well, if you give him idiotic commands, he follows them, as it was said above). If he lacks of clear thought - well, who doesn't?
Speaking of him being a liar - he actually can kill a wyvern with a staff spear (which is still a spear). I tried that.
And speaking of annoying NPC's - what about Minsk's "jump on my sword, evil!" thing? Isn't it more annoying?
So stop calling him names! You don't like him - leave him at the Copper coronet and get someone else.

Well said son ;)

Anyway, how many of you here actualy know your alignment. I don't mean your charecter I mean you in real life.

Easy you think im such and such. But wait, is that what you are or what you want to be, would you have ever given it a second thought had I not asked? I don't think so.

The point Im tryinng to make is you don't have your alignment plastered on your head or given to you on a bit of paper. It is you and you don't know it. Anomen thinks he is Lawful Good. He doesn't have the help of a computer which tells him his actions make him lawful neutral.

And on the spear thing, if your religion said you could only use say certain blut weapons, you do this all your life then with nothing nearby you are attacked, you could grab it and throw it. Maybe it was before he became a cleric when he was just a fighter.


[This message has been edited by Mr Writer (edited November 02, 2001).]

Anomen is an idiot or he wouldn't attack Aerie when he fails his test. I hate his attitude also. I just do his quest, get the experiance, then I just kill him when he fails his test and tries to kill Aerie.

Buddy, if you take an NPC and make him fail his personal quest and ruin his life just to get a trivial amount of gold in a game already awash in it, no **** he's going to get pissed off and kill someone. Keldorn and Aerie can both be annoying as hell too, and it's small wonder they and Anomen irritate each other into a fight after you the player go screwing their personal lives up. It's YOUR fault.

Personally I find Anomen extremely irritating--his voice annoys me, and it really zarks me off that after going through this complex evolution in his personality his action comments and most of his NPC remarks remain EXACTLY THE SAME. :/ But some people irritate me in real life, too. It doesn't mean they're idiots, much less incompetent. Aerie is one of the most annoying characters in the game as far as I'm concerned, but also one of the most valuable party members.

And blaming a character for mistakes made by YOU THE PLAYER is not exactly a solid sign that the NPC is the one being the idiot...

Hah! I've worked it out - Anomem's Wisdom score is actually four times his age. When you meet him acts like a 3 year old, yet after proppper guidence and acceptance in the Order, his wisdom increases and his behaviour matures to that of a 4 year old.

He runs around saying, "I'm so holy" whilst (probably) sneaking covertous glances at Viconia and thinking that Jaheira's pig-tails are really cool.

Uhh... Jaheira's pig tails are cool...:)

I have a few of things to say to you tjekanefir. :mad:

First, I can blame who ever I want to for what ever I do. It never works though. :nolike:

Second, I still think think his atitude is very bad. :flaming:

Third, he deserves to die if he goes around saying he is so honerable and is " a force of good" but then he goes and tries to kill people. I don't know what you think but I don't think thats very lawfull or good.:grr:

And last, I don't just do that quest for the money, I can get that lots of other places.:money:

Anomen rocks. I finally beat the game last weekend (thankyou, thankyou) as a female undead hunter, and completed the romance with him. But that was not easy as the mean answers to his love speeches were so funny it was all I could do not to choose them. For example: he compares me to a flower and I could say: "Don't be an idiot, Anomen. I'm no flower, and your words fill the air with an aroma far more pungent than any plant." I am interested to hear that he goes nuts if he fails his test. I like having him and Keldorn around so I know what a lawful good character is supposed to do!

Good job on beating the game.

Anomen isnt lawfull good until he passes his test right? He still acts like a stuck-up moron even if he turns lawfull good. He turns chaotic nuetral if he fails his test. You should have just killed him though, even if you were a good. An idiot is close enough to evil for me to kill. I was an inquisitor and I killed him.

[This message has been edited by Archer14 (edited November 03, 2001).]

Well the guy did kill his sister. I had a paladin and i still had him take revenge. Of coarse I did not realize that it would screw his test. Ah well, what can ya do?

Yeah, well, the problem with the revenge thing is that he goes nutso. The one time I went with the CN Anomen, I counselled him to kill the bastards that did his sister. Sounds reasonable to me. Of course, what he *actually* did turned out to be a bit more problematic. I wasn't exactly expecting him to whack the little girl like that.

I like having Anomen around. He's a pretty good character and I don't mind that he's a pompous windbag. Since everyone else rags on him pretty bad about (especially Jan), I find it rather amusing.

Aloha
Vormaerin

I've heard that Anomen can become Chaotic Evil, too. Is this true?

He doesn't kill Aerie unless/until he's long since given up on being lawful *or* good. (-:

First time I beat the game I played a neutral char, and was really all goody goody throughout the game, did his quest and it was ok; I still dropped him of after the upgrade. Second time I played an evil Monk, the game was a lot more fun, when I talked to him and told him I wasn’t a force of good like I did on my first time through, he attacked me, quivering palm… he went bye bye (I seriously regret not having an imprisonment scroll when I talked to him, next time through he is going there… death is to good a punishment for him)

On a final note, he is an idiot, Edwin is an idiot too, but because of the way I play, he is vital in my party, and I always have him around. Amonem is not nearly as good as Viconia. And the fact he is neutral, lawful or whatever doesn’t change the fact his dialogues (although well developed, hat off there) make him a prick and a total moron.

I give a thumbs up to Anomen. I've always found his abillities good. And on the note of his diolouges being annoying, i just hit the mute button on my keyboard. And unless you are ruthlessly evil, ALWAYS do the stuff that lets him pass his test. He really is a nut if he fails. Both in actions and diolouge. I repeat, ALWAYS let him pass his test.

I much prefer to FORCE him to fail his test... my little bit of CN/CE game playing. There is little that I like about Anomen if/when I have the character sounds on and I rarely read his senseless dialogue anymore. He reminds me too much of a narcissistic child. I get very tempted to kill him each time I walk into the Copper Coronet!

There's nothing wrong with making him fail his test. It's just silly to do that and then complain because he acts like a psycho. He acts like a psycho because you turned him into a psycho. Duh. (-:

Of course, many people may PREFER him as a psycho, but that's another story...

You can turn Anomen into a psycho just by making him fail his test? Cool!
I'll try that next time through. Is he less of a richeous pain-in-the-behind as a psycho?

No, he's about the same.

In other words, KILL HIM

[This message has been edited by Archer14 (edited November 09, 2001).]

great idea archer. did you hear that everyone just KILL the bastard and get it ofer with:evil:

No, no, may him fail his test so that you get to loot all the stuff at Baron Whatshisface's place. Even if you get him to pass his test - he still makes for a fine argument for spinsterhood and/or lesbianism.

Thank you zaknafein. I'm glad you agree with me. I've been telling every one to kill him for a week or two.

I don't know, I really like Anomen. Most people complain about his abrasive personality, but it actually fits in with the type of character I play. I use a Cavalier (named Launcelot of the Lake) who uses the Sir Kalthorine soundset you can download from Sorceror's. Together with Keldorn, we're like a party of wandering knights-errant righting wrongs, protecting the innocent, and smiting evil where ever we go (ya know, all that knightly crapola). Sure, he's a little arrogant (ok, alot arrogant), but once he gets knighted, he does ease up a little. Also, Keldorn seems to hold him in check when he's around (probably because Keldorn was the one making him scrub the floors in the Order building when Anomen was a young squire).

All that righting wrongs junk doesn't matter.

Look at it this way. Anomen is a fool. He is preventing the Most Noble Order from becomeing more powerful (don't ask me how, he just is). So if you are a paladin or any other good character then its your job to help the Order. So realy what you are doing is for the greater good. Killing Anomen would be just like righting wrongs.

See my point. If you don't see it my way just kill him anyway and you will thank me eventualy.
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!!!!!!!!!!!! SO KILL ANOMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No way! Anomen's more powerful than all the paladins of the Radiant Heart together! (at least in the hands of a good player :evil: )

Anomen may be arrogant, but that is no reason to kill him!

Now Now its only a game, its not real

FOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLS. Don't you know true evil when you see it. He is realy involved in an evil plot with the drow to take over Amn and Baldur's Gate. The only one holding them back is me. You are trying to defend him?!?! He must DIE. DIE. DIE. And so must his followers.

Kill Anomen.......

Alignment conflict - lawful good - does not compute......

Sorry Archer14, now if I was playing an evil character....

Cheers,

WittyNewt

Ya, ya, whatever. Don't Good people kill evil people?

Anomen is basicly an evil person based on the evadense I have shown it the above 6 or 7 posts I have made on this topic and a few other posts on some other topics.

Y'all do what you want. I'm keeping Anomen. In fact, I considering adding Mazzy to the party so we can go around saying that we're the Knights of Neet. Neet! NEET! Now, go forth, and fell the mightiest oak in the woods wiiiiiiittttthhhhh, a HERRING!

I'll never understand two things:

1) Why some people hate Anomen so much

and

2) And why people go on and on about that movie! :flaming: I just got done watching it for the first time tonight (yes, where have I been) and everyone assured me it would be good. Riiiiighhht. Mildly amusing to say the least. The only two scenes I like are the fight with the Black Knight and the killer rabbit. Hardly the hype.



[This message has been edited by Big B (edited November 11, 2001).]

I disagree, I once watched it and started laughing at the credits. Eventualy my brother came in and wanted to know what the freek i was laughing at. I forget what I said, and I doubt a rational reason there anyway. So anyway I believe MPATHG was the funniest movie (for me) ever.

Thank you.

Oh gawd, please don't talk about that movie. I was just trying to make a joke.

who cares about a movie get back to the topic which might as well be KILL ANOMEN
he is in a conspiresy against all of amn and will surlly do a saravok soon and start a war with baldurs gate. as archer14 said he's with the drow. he's been helping yoshimo betray you he wants the world blown up. he is actually a cleric of cyric who is helping to kill us all. in other words KILL HIM so he doesnt kill us all:flaming:

Ok, we've seen that "kill him" line 50 times in the last week. Enough's enough.

I agree Tal.

And besides that, if you ever got Anomen through whole game, you wouldn't kill him.
Annoying? Yes.
Proficient? Definetly.
Kickass? No.
Useable? Absolutely.
Powergamer's choice? Hardly.
Best NPC? No. But one of the best. With non-evil alignment.

And please, before you say "kill him" once more, do check how many times he got proficiencies and how many times other NPCs did. If you don't like his voice and suggest killing him just for that, please tell me your voice is not annoying as his is.

I'm sorry Taluntain. I'll try to do it a little bit less. Ok maby I did post about that a few hundred to many times. So again, I'm sorry.

ok ok ive just gotta say it once more then im done for this topic

here we go

KILL HIM

just wait a second i just figured something out. his god is lawful neutral but he doesnt like neutral people

[This message has been edited by zaknafein (edited November 12, 2001).]