Yeah, yeah, just go ahead and insert cheater posts here. But I would like to change something on my fighter if at all possible. However, when I tried to edit my first ToB saved game using Shadow Keeper, it couldn't open the file. I haven't tried editing any of my regular SoA saved games, so I don't know about those. Glad I already got my new evil paryt ready for the expansion before I installed ToB. *phew*

hmmm, try a newer version of shadow keeper, i think it'a 2.0.4 now.. it says on the website that this version should work with tob.

i persionally dont care bout cheating... id rather find all the differnt things my self then before i get bored and give up.. add shadowkeeper to make things a little more fun for a while.. though now days i get an character app at line 250 when ever shadowkeeper is installed.. so i havne had it installed for a LONG time.

For character editing, use ShadowKeeper, for item and spell stuff, use the Infinity Engine Editor Pro.

What is the difference between shadow keeper and the Infinity Engine thingie?(i don't have that one installed)

Shadow Keeper only allows for Character and Creature editing (change stats, inventory, memorized spells, etc.). IEEP only allows for modifying the game in general, as in making new spells, items, stores, or changing the in-game dialog.

Shadowkeeper will indeed work with TOB, After all it is actually an expansion to SOA, not a seperate game.

Pyrion you kinda dumbed it down for him. and for most players there is IEE that is meant for those that aren't into modifying it themselves, god only knows why they wouldn't be, but it's easier to use for people unskilled at the whole mod-making process. IEEP is completely different from Shadow Keeper in that shadow Keeper allows you to edit chars and creatures stats and appearances and such. You can't just edit a char in the IEEP you export files to text and rewrite the scripting add in things, editing is only achieved through the add-ons that are now included with IEEP and thats only on weapons, spells, and shops. IEEP isn't really for cheating, its for adding to the gaming experience by adding in to features, enemies, and anything else you can think of, shadow keeper is so you can cheat.

Yeah, I guess I did. I didn't feel like typing an essay to answer a simple question.

I just felt he should have a more full run down when trying to decide. and in case you don't have them the links are:
Shadow Keeper (http://www.mud-master.com/shadowkeeper/ShadowKeeper.zip)
Infinity Engine Editor Pro (http://www.teambg.net/teambg_com/cgi-bin/download/download.cgi?util_devs/IEEP_v108Build32.zip)
Infinity Engine Editor Standard (http://www.teambg.net/teambg_com/cgi-bin/download/download.cgi?util_players/IEES_v102Build12.zip)