I have my own ideas of what NPCs I would make into a mod, but I wondered if these mesh with other peoples. These are my suggestions based on what is in the unmodded game and what I know are done (ie: no sorcerer since there are 2 - Kelsey and Tashia). I also would like to represent the other races: dwarves, gnomes, halforcs, halflings. I feel there are too many humans as NPCs.

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Poll Results: What kind of NPC mod? (32 votes.)

What class needs an NPC? (Choose 1)
* Paladin (any kit) - 0% (0)
* Bard (any kit) - 9% (3)
* Fighter (any kit) - 19% (6)
* Fighter/Thief (multi or dual) - 22% (7)
* Fighter/Druid (multi or dual) - 0% (0)
* Cleric/Thief (multi or dual) - 13% (4)
* Fighter/Mage (multi or dual) - 3% (1)
* Fighter/Mage/Thief - 6% (2)
* Fighter/Mage/Cleric - 0% (0)
* Ranger/Cleric (multi or dual) - 16% (5)
* None - we don't need another NPC mod - 0% (0)
* Other - 13% (4)

What race would you like to see an as NPC? (Choose 1)
* Dwarf - 25% (8)
* Elf - 9% (3)
* Gnome - 3% (1)
* Half Elf - 19% (6)
* Halfling - 6% (2)
* Half Orc - 22% (7)
* Human - 6% (2)
* Other - 9% (3)

Would you like to be able to dual-class an NPC? (Choose 1)
* Yes - 16% (5)
* No - 25% (8)
* Maybe - keep the option open - 59% (19)

Hmm, i guess you're right there Kuem. We do see alot of human NPC's but I guess that's just because of the fact that there's alot more humans in the Realms than any of the other races. Personally, I would've liked to see a half elf ranger/cleric NPC in the game (pretty much because of the other thread I was commenting in :p ) but it would be interesting to see a few more 'shorter' folk make an appearance into the game. Obviously you picked another Dwarf Fighter (hehe i saw you're results :D ). I think we need not only a more even variety of races for NPC's but a new mod that offers ALOT more NPCs for us to play with. A huge mod would be really nice i think.

TIAX WILL RULE! :roll: Seriously, I'd love to be able to rescue that nutty gnome from Spellhold.

But I agree that it ought to be non-human. 10/17 of the original NPCs are human, with 14/17 being of the tall variety. Back in BG1, only 13/25 were human, with 4 elves and two of every other race, as compared to 2 elves and one of each other race (including a new one called tiefling) in BG2. It's just not fair. :grr:

And though I picked a gnome, a dwarf would be pretty good too, since there aren't ANY dwarf NPC mods out there. :rolleyes: An F/T with high CON and DEX would be good, and would provide an awesome thieving alternative. Now that I think about it, go with that. :D

Of course, there aren't any gnome NPC mods either, and a gnomish Fighter/Illusionist with an INT of 19 would be pretty awesome. :grin:

P.S. If you need some realistic ability scores, don't hesitate to pull out the dice, or even ask me to pull out mine. :)

I'm glad I had 'other' as an option because I completely forgot monks. :doh:

I picked a F/T, gearing to backstabbing goodness. :evil: A dwarf or halforc would kick with the high Con. It looks like the Little People got chucked to the wayside, with some exceptions.

Well I will really appreciate a half elven cool F/M/T. With a possible romance. 'CHARNAME the multi-faced' hehe this is so cool!

I'd like to see a dwarven bard. With a romance.

Dwarven bards are not possible. Then again elven MC cleric/mages are forbidden too, but Aerie is an illegal one.

But a dwarven bard sounds so very wrong. Plus with a romance? Eww...

Hmm, gnomish kensai would be something new.

1. A NPC with a kit, insted of vanilla (mayde a fighter kit :D , or a thief)

2. Now about the race, I have to agree also w/ $ilver and Fel, there is too many humans, but I would like another race, no just the normal one but something like half-gaint, or maybe actual sub-races (gray elfs, or rock gnomes,...etc)

3. It depends on what class/kit you will use, so just leave it open to be dual

Some ideas:

a)I would like to see a male,half-orc,Barbarian as a joinable NPC.He could be a member of Madulf's group at Umar Hills who decides to join with you and help you to find out what is killing all those people in the area.It would be nice to see at last one NPC with powerful stats like 19 STR and 19 CON.

b)A human,female,chaotic neutral, Wild Mage (veery interesting combination and with a possible romance :p ) who could be found in the Tanarri area (Planar Sphere quest).Lavok could have left her there (or some other background story) and if you manage to save her from the Tanarri she asks to join with you ...

c)The female thief (can't remember her name) on the 2nd floor of MaeVar's guild.She could be an assassin who decided to betray MaeVar and help you killing him...

That femal thief on MaeVar's guild, Anisha, Anasha something like that? I always thought she was a monk?

halforc f/t either male or female, I know I would find this character highly useful as I tend to bring Jan along every time my main character doesn't have thief skills covered

@Silverstar:
Dwarven bards are initially forbidden, but if you look into the Complete Bard's Handbook, it does allow demi-human bards. Heck, there's even a whole chapter for it, including kits. There's the Dwarven Chanter, the Elven Minstrel (whose bright idea was it to exclude elves in the first place, anyway? :rolleyes: ), the Gnome Professor, and the Halfling Whistler. Not to mention I think that the Skald kit was damn near made for dwarves. I mean, singing about battle? That just screams dwarf to me. ;)

@Goli:
:grin: And his name should be Yulp. (http://www.sorcerers.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/10/4332.html) :lol:

@thetruth:
a) & c) Sounds like you'd love Mulgore and Xavia, a Tutu NPC mod. A male half-orc barbarian and a female half-elf assassin. No banters or anything, but the original author has essentially put them up for grabs if anyone can help develop them.

b) See the Kiara and Zaiya (sp?) mod. It introduces a monk and a wild mage, both female.

c) (again) Incidentally, there's already a mod involving one of Aran's thieves, called Fade. She's a tiefling (well, Fey'ri) and a tief...er, I mean thief, who will join you and romance just about any male. You have to side with Aran though; Fade values loyalty.

I think a cleric thief, Perhaps of one of the short races somehow, would make a really interesting mod character even if it didn't talk. Particularly if you made sure it excelled at the thief side either by being multi or dualed from Cleric to thief if you feel it necessary.

Make them either a member or an ex-member of one of the temples. Talos doesn't mind the destruction of others does he?

Ooops!But how many NPC mods are there out there! :confused:
Thanks Fel, Fade looks very promising ;)
I think you have just decided my next game.
A duo through BG2.Just have to decide my PC's class.Have you tried this mod btw?I hope it's not buggy...

Ooops! But how many NPC mods are there out there! 45 at last count; PPG has a good list. (http://modlist.pocketplane.net/index.php?ax=list&cat_id=5)

Fade is semi-unfinished; she's complete through SoA, but not ToB just yet. I haven't checked her out yet, but I've gotten addicted to "Fade's Escape", an independent mini-game created by the mod's authors. The quality they put in their mini-game has me leaning rather heavily towards trying Fade ASAP, though. :grin:

[ March 12, 2006, 01:35: Message edited by: Felinoid ]

I want more dwarves. Just about every dwarf in SOA is chaotic and/or evil, which is complete nonsense, since dwarves are meant to be overwhelmingly lawful and good. Not that I don't like Korgan, it just seems as if they got hooked on the loud, crass dwarf idea and then never managed to get away from it.

That reminds me: there was a mod to bring Yeslick forward into BG2, but it got stalled. I believe it's 'frozen in time' over at CoM. A real shame. :(

Hmm, who voted human and didn't post? Or for that matter, who voted 'other' and didn't specify? :hmm:

Other was me, and I sort of specify :D

but I would like another race, no just the normal one but something like half-gaint, or maybe actual sub-races (gray elfs, or rock gnomes,...etc)
:p

Hmm, who voted human and didn't post? Or for that matter, who voted 'other' and didn't specify?:lol: I wonder, too. I didn't ask that everyone post to discuss their votes.

The ideas are coming quickly, thanks all. :D Initially, I was going to start with 3 - a dwarf F/T, a halfelf F/D (both TN) and a halforc Barbarian. Then I got stuck with the idea of an NPC pack, containing 6 joinable NPCs found either shopping in the Promenade or relaxing in the CC.

The most difficult for me is finding a portrait. I spent 4 hours pouring over portrait sites. For some reason, I like having the picture first. :eek: Too many scantily-clad females. If anyone can find an evilish-looking male tiefling, drop me a PM. :bigeyes:

Other, Human, Maybe.

Yeah, I voted human even though we've already got a plethora of them. Just personal preference -- for some reason I really dislike the avatars of the little people. Although if you really want to go with a little person, a Good dwarf of some type would be nice. Hmmm... maybe even a dwarven paladin? Dunno if that's allowed in 2e's rules :)

Class choice is really a matter of your own preference. I think most class options are fairly-well represented between the Bioware NPCs and the mods currently out. Choose one that you can really enjoy creating, and roleplaying! Fighter/Mage is already covered by Solaufein, I think. Paladin (Cavalier) is represented by Saerileth, as is Inquisitor by our dear Keldorn. Fighter/Thief... well, for combat purposes, Valygar more or less can work as one already. Ranger/Cleric is more or less covered by Jaheira spell-wise (so she's missing some spells; she still has her Raise Dead knock-off, though) and Anomen combat-wise. Bards...well, I personally feel that Haer'Daelis already has the single useful bard kit. Maybe if we buffed up the vanilla-bard with some of Icewind Dale's additional songs, it would be more interesting, but that's quite a task (if it's even possible).

Come to think of it, the only classes I'd really like to see that are underrepresented so far are a Specialist/General mage of good alignment, and a monk of any alignment.

But don't let me stop you from creating what your heart wants! I'm just letting mine do some talking.

I agree with Silver, a nice thief kit that is actually WORTH IT would be a nice implement to the game! I was thinking that Sime or whatever her name was, you know the girl who helps you get to Brynnlaw would be nice, but I remember hearing something about that already???

OMG I would LOVE to see Coran and Safana back into the game too! I mean, they weren't that strong but hey, they were always nice! Maybe a mod that allows you to save them, or maybe just Coran and meaning you have to travel somewhere (possibly back to BG) to save Safana. Meh, we can figure all that out later!

What I've always wanted to see, and of course USE, is a thief kit multi-classed with a specialist wizard! I know it's illegal, but if Aerie can do something illegal, why can't someone else! Maybe a Swashbuckler or Assassin mixed with a Conjurer or something would be REALLY nice and deadly! A romance would also be interesting ey! :D

I agree with Silver, a nice thief kit that is actually WORTH IT would be a nice implement to the game! There're already three incredible ones; if you don't know how to use them properly, that's your problem. :p

You can have Coran in the Tortured Souls mod. It also goes a little more in-depth into Yoshimo and Valygar's personalities, IIRC.

You can't mix a specialist wizard with a kit. Both are considered kits, and you can't have more than one for hard-coded reasons. A specialty kit that combines aspects of both would be possible, but likely more work than it's worth. Not to mention that kuemp's talking about an NPC mod, not a kit mod. :rolleyes:

Hehe Fel, don't you remember the loooong chats we all had about my favourite super class like a couple of months ago! If someone wants it to happen then they'll MAKE it happen! :D

Btw, explain to me HOW those three thieves are actually useful in this game becasue I find them pathetic! I guess that's why I tend to use thief of some kind in my game alot.

The swashbuckler can get near as nasty as a fighter in combat with the +s to hit and damage every few levels as well as being geared towards dual wielding.

AND if he/she was to be combined with a mage (or even a specialist) in MULTICLASS could you imagine the crazyness! :D

I voted Other, Elf, and No.


I'd really like to see a single-class Druid NPC (apart from Cernd, of course). Preferably a Totemic Druid, as I've always liked that class but never did commit to a Totemic PC.
A good siingle-class Thief NPC would be good too. Maybe an Assassin or a Swashbuckler. Even though Yoshimo's sorta got it covered, a Bounty Hunter wouldn't be bad either.

Actually, I'd like to see Gnomish assassin, equipped with his custom weapon, turnipcutter dagger! :D

@Jhonka: have you tried Hubbelpot? He is a great druid and a very nice character (very funny song).

A fulltime Thief would be good, as would be a Monk or a Barbarian (I would have said Jester but there is the Kido mod).

IMHO an NPC has to cover something the PC don't do without becoming the centre of attention (remember Chloe...).

@Felinoid

I know you are a real 2E fan, and just by chance I happen to read Bard's book, not that I have it, I am not that lucky, living in Turkey, but a sorta-illegal site publihses all the books of 2E and this place is my treasure!

I initially thought bards as happy-go-lucky (as your description) and harmless fellows. But a skald with a tendency and liking for war and blood spilling may just be suitable for a dwarf! Maybe. Though I also remember in some fantasy book, dwarves were happliy singing songs as they squashed goblinoids in a battle. Heh. :shake:

If someone wants it to happen then they'll MAKE it happen!No-one'll ever make a two kit dual or multiclass happen, though, since it's impossible because of engine limitations.

I think Dwarves are possible for the skald kit in the Bards handbook. I could be remembering a different class book though.

I'd love to see a counterpoint dwarf to Korgan eventually though. Much like they had the two in BG1 that were very opposite.

In the Dwarves book it talks about them singing war songs during battle to psych themselves up and scare their enemies. But that is a common fantasy idea in various books. One to be of particular note is The Hobbit. The Dwarves that Bilbo travels with are quite prone to singing on various different occassions.

@ Prine,

If someone wants it bad enough, it's GOING TO happen! i'm sure someone would come up with something. Possibly a 'new' type of engine which could handle such a combination, I don't really know. But I guess someone would need alot of free time and would actually be willing to do such a thing. But now we're :yot:

Umm, who would really want a dwarf bard in the first place anyways?!?! :D

Another character I'd like to see would be Saemon Havarian or something like him because he was great! A fighter dualed to a mage is nice, but just his attitude was what really made him appealing! :D

A whole new engine?!? :lol: Sure, if you want to spend a few years of your working life for no pay, go right ahead. :rolleyes: Not to mention that I've already mentioned the possibility of a single specialty kit including everything you want (you can cram a lot in there).

Umm, who would really want a dwarf bard in the first place anyways?!?! I would. :p I love dwarven songs.

A fighter dualed to a mage is nice, ... Then perhaps you may want to try Ghareth, a One-Day NPC over at PPG. I don't think he's got the 'attitude' of Saemon, but I bet most players would just plain kill him if he did. :p I know I kill that pr!ck every chance I get. :evil:

LOL no way! I love Saemon! He's my hero! :D It would be really nice to have him as an NPC but hey, nice to dream huh.

And NO I don't like Garreth either, he's pretty much as annoying as Anomen, so eww, no.

So Fel, you think you can 'cram' all of what I want into a single specialty kit for me! If you would, I'd gladly make you my new hero! :grin: but I must ask ... Drawven songs :hmm:

Saemon was a thief dualled mage, btw. Ghareth was interesting but his stats were puny. Yes, this is totally off topic.

You people put ideas in my head. I'm thinking of 3 NPC Packs (1 good, 1 evil, 1 neutral). Mostly, this came from not having enough of a choice, especially evil parties. Oh boy, Korgan, Viconia and Edwin *again*. :rolleyes:

Goody-Two Shoes (good aligned):
Human paladin (undead hunter)
Half Elf R/C
Dwarf fighter
Gnome illusionist

Bad Boys/Girls (evil aligned):
Tiefling Cleric of Talos
Half Orc barbarian
Halfling assassin

Walk the Line (neutral):
Human monk
Half Elf F/D
Half Elf druid (totemic)
Gnome F/I
Dwarf F/T

Ah yes, a swashbuckler 12 / mage 14, sorry Kuem!

Whatever you end up deciding, good luck Kuemper, and of course keep us posted. :)

So Fel, you think you can 'cram' all of what I want into a single specialty kit for me! Probably, but I won't; do it yourself. :p It's not like you can't find a kit creator if you want to.

@kuemper:
I like the evil pack, most of the neutral pack (there're already two monks out there), and the R/C. 8 NPCs enough for you? :shake:

I'd go for an Elven assassin, just because :D

I could make NPCs for each kit variation of each class plus one each of multiclasses.

And then, after, you should make dialogues and romances and quests for them and then you would end up jumping from a very tall building

^Come oon, it can'T be THAT hard, I am sure Kuemper is quite capable of creating interesting banters/romances. She can also ask for help from the guys here!

I voted 'other', mainly for a bit of variety, something like a thiefling, or one of the 3e 1/2 drogons would be cool and a bit out of the ordinary. Another drow would be nice (only 2 atm afaik). For the kit I voted Ranger/Cleric, but only because there are none in the vanilla game, now that I've thought about it a bard or a fighter/thif would be good.

... or one of the 3e 1/2 drogons would be cool and a bit out of the ordinary. Actually, there are 2e half-dragons as well, and I have the appropriate resources to help should kuemper want to make one. :grin: And for the record, Sheena is a relatively new NPC mod that is a half-dragon F/M. Check her out if you want to.

@ Felinoid

Where can I download Sheena ,btw?
Her link at PPG doesn't seem to work...

:nolike: BWL seems to be down again; I can't get in either. Try again tomorrow; it's probably just routine maintenance.

Should be a kind of a thief, maybe Half-Ork (I like them somehow and there is no Half-Ork NPC).
I'd love to meet an evil thief ;)
*sniff*
I miss Montaron...

I've always been keen on a monk/thief dual-class. Since monk animations exist only for humans, though, I can conceivably see only humans *or* half-elves (multi-class) in such a role. It's a shame dwarves and the like can't be monks in BG. As for existing monks in the game, I'd love to be able to take Anishai along. In fact I've considered doing an NPC mod for her, but with school/work I haven't the time, really.

Edit: of course it makes more sense to go from a thief to a monk, dualling around thief level 9 or 10. Preferrably this would be a multi-class for a half-elf so one could keep advancing in both areas of expertise.

[ March 14, 2006, 03:18: Message edited by: Zamiel ]

Try PnP. In regular 2e, the Fighting-Monk is simply a cleric kit, and can be taken by any race, with only the comment that the taller races "seem more visually suited". If only someone would make a mod w/ new animations... :bad:

The Monks that are in the game remind me of the first edition monks for some reason. They are indeed very simular in the things that they get and everything. They were also their own class as I recall.

I said a F/M Half orc but what I'd really like to see would be a Half orc wild mage with a greater surge rate and some extra effects. :)

Damn I need to learn to design characters...

Sorry for being the Big Downer, but what's wrong with staying within the 2E/BG2 rules?