I'm finding that outside of some sneaky cheat, I cannot win this battle without terrible losses.

I have

Assassin
Savrok
Imoen
Jaheira
Hair-Doo-less

I've done basic prep spells, including resistance to fear, a must with this fight.

Unfortunately, negative plan protection lasts only a few rounds, far to short for this fight.

I've summoned creatures like Skel. Warriors and Fire Elementals (and one Wizard Eye).

I line them up, run back and cast spells into the fray.

But the shades nuke my summoned creatures too quickly to do big damage to them. Then they come through and kick my buttocks with the unrighteous boot of death, as Minsc would say.

My next idea is to (don't laugh) web all my team but the lead character in place, so they won't walk up and get too close to the wraith. Then cast other web-type spells into the oncoming hoard, (which I will be a safe distance from) leaving my archers and prismatic sprays and ice storms to kill them.

This is a stupid trick, though. I'd like another solution.

My group AC is part of the problem. I started a game from scratch and your armor options are pretty bad in the beginning. I do cast defensive harmony, but it has not made much difference.

Do you not have any items that provide Negative Plane Protection? I had two, so I had those two people intervene with any of the level draining monsters. If I couldn't intervene (the monster would still go after someone else) I had everyone else attack that monster to kill it as quickly as possible. Not all of the monsters are level draining as far as I could determine. At the end, only Valygar had gotten level drained at all.

BTA, when you start from scratch, you are given no items to protect you from drain.

I do have to go here next, before going to the mountains, right? I've just done the big fight with Yaga's men and the Fire Giants, which was a blast. I have two choices, the Temple and the Mountain thing.

Perhaps I need to go the mountain first, grow up a little more, and come back?

Yeah, you can go to the mountain, but you won't know what you're looking for... Not that that matters if you grab everything! :)

No level drainers in the mountain that I recall...

recipe for beating that wraith:

negative plane protection on fighters

add 1-2 clerics casting holy smite

beat on the undead until they die

If you have converted to the faith, as have I, you would have little trouble, using your Undead Hunter.
However, for those who have not seen the light, run away and hide behind a summoned deva, a clay golem from the tome, and anything else you can find.

3 sunrays. One from daystar sword, one from helm of brilliance, one from viconia. End of story.

Get Anomen. Turn Undead. End of story. The creatures, except for the master wraith, don't stand a chance against a high-level cleric with that ridiculously overpowered ability. The rest is so easy that I was able to finish the battle without a single level drain.

[This message has been edited by Krischi (edited July 14, 2001).]

I suggest you go through Watcher's Keep first. I had the same problem. Come back in another ten levels or so. Saradush will be able to hold off the giants until then.

Not too happy about this post if my memory serves me correct.I thought Gorion was the dude that helped you in BG. If that is the case than I'm not to happy about finding out he has become some wraith by scanning a message board. I haven't beaten BG2 yet and I hope this doesn't ruin part of the story whether or not its in ToB or SoA.When friends come back to kill you its cool, but only when its a surprise. If I am off base on any of this I apologize.

Slackertoast, if you don't have ToB then why were you reading the ToB forum if you don't want to read any spoilers?

[This message has been edited by Avarahtar (edited July 20, 2001).]

Because I like to check out a game before I buy it. This is usually good place to see opinions on the game. I would probably get it anyway but I wanted to check. There is always so much info on the boards plus I just like to find little spots like the one on the Planescape board where they have continued the story on their own.Subjects should not give away parts of the game.

[This message has been edited by Slackertoast (edited July 20, 2001).]

Subject Edited. :D

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One sunray from viconia and poof there goes the master wraith.
what a lucky roll :) The fight ended before I could get a kick out of it

Here's one that I thought you all might get a kick out of.

In one of my times through BG2, my PC was a Ranger/Cleric. He chose the evil path through Hell for the Blackrazor, for thiefly companion of course, and that changed his alignment to LE.

I really didn't even notice it until we got the the temple and the wraiths attacked us. Well I decided to use his TU for the first time since the Unseeing Eye quest and you can just imagine my shock when instead of the wraiths going kaboom, they turned and came under my control.

And if that wasn't enough, poor Keldorn was turned and started running from me like I was death incarnate. LOL

I guess you just had to be there. :D


-Immoral

Holy nuts are you joking!! That is so kicking! Turn Undead like I and everyone said before is VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY ... VERY POWERFUL. Well against undead. Makes vamps look like a joke and those magic resistant Skeleton Warriors a CINCH

About that plan with the web and stuff, I don't think you're gonna actually hold someone with it because everyone has ultra-low saving throws.
Just use sunray.

ok, how could anyone have problems with the master wraith. Before the battle i had edwin cast spell sequencer (3 magic missiles), Minor spell sequencer (2 magic missiles), and Spell Trigger(3 magic missiles), Then start the battle, cast time stop, unleash all 3 sequencers and 2 dragons breaths and clobber him with sarevok, main guy and korgan. One dead master wraith.

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Whatever this wrath is it was easy as pie to kill cause I never took notice. I thought they were just common enemies.

When I cam to the wraith room, I was not prepared. I had a perty of three - My Sw/Mage, Viconia and Korgan.

My char and Viconia got almost instantly instantly held by some spell or trap - however thay were able to get off one Sunray each (CLeric spell + Daystar).

I thought that was the end of it, and prepared to reload. Then I thought: what the heck, and Enraged Korgan.

He dual-wielded all those undead (Crom + Upg. Mace of Disruption), Wraith included, to death alone, taking some 80-100 damage on insane mode. He had 197 hp and regenerated VERY fast, so the damage was not a problem.

Modjahed,
I admire your perserverence. So many times have I almost reloaded just to hang in the battle I find I could come out on top anyway. Usually it's forgetting to make use of a certain ability a character or item has (in this case Korgan and his enrage). It can be easy to do that with all the abilities this game has, but that's one of the things that makes it so good. As for my battle with the Master Wraith a swift dispel magic brought down his fireshield blue defense while turn undead kept his minions away. Then we all surrounded wraith boy and the rest was history.

I wasn't prepared either when I encountered them, and suddenly the fight got a little heavy. Then I used the slayer change and it turned the tide. I lost 3 people in that battle though

If you've got a mage with imp. alacrity and timestop it isn't a challenge. Not too many things live through getting hit by 4 wiltings at the same time.

I really liked the fact that there were rooms in watchers keep that forced wild magic effects, or caused most spells to fail. It really gave my magic-based party a rough time, and forced me to change my tactics a fair bit.

I'd have to say that the wraith fight was one of my most interesting ones, mainly because I was totally unprepared for it. In my party I had Anomen, Sarevok, Viconia, Jan, Imoen, and myself as a monk. Unfortunately Sarevok and Anomen got feared pretty much straight away, and Jan and Anomen both got Drained a LOT leaving me to handle the fighting and Viccy and Imoen the spell side of things. Probably the worst thing though was that Anomen ran into the building itself bringing the creatures in there out into the battle. Eventually got through it and lost Anomen, Jan, and Imoen. Fortunately none of them were permanently killed so I didnt have to go through it all again. Thank god Viccy survived is all I can say :)

at first he totally killed me i wasn't exspecting him and i was kinda weak hadn't rested all i had spell wise was 5x magic missle this was stupid of me.I reloaded had viccy cast sunray and then to top it of sarevok did a death briger assult on the mw and chunked him the rest was clean up

Creslyn, I can't understand how you had so much trouble with both a good and evil cleric in your party. They should have been more than high enough to control/destroy most of the shadows, leaving you just the devil shades and the master wraith. I had a dc bers/cleric and Aerie, and I had no problems. Smite also works well on undead.

I don't know what the problem is with destroying the master wraith. My sorcerer summoned 1 planetar and 3 mordenkainen's swords in a few seconds(improved alacrity), and all the party had to do was just sit down and watch the show...mages are formidable if you use them correctly.

This battle was easy.. Sarevok and Minsc had Negative Plane Protection and Viconia gave me control over the other wraiths when she Turned Undead.... so then I had all of them attacking the Master Wraith.. and then.. slowly, one by one... my characters and the undead attacked one by one each wraith till they all died...

I suffered some serious losses when I got caught unprepared. Too serious. So I reloaded and used Limited Wish, asked for a repeatable wish, and chose protection from undead. A very convenient way of killing undead.:)

I was also totally unprepared, but had two chaps in my party who made it a cakewalk.
1) Anomen turns the lesser undead
2) Using a tactic I was told for use against Liches and other hard-to-hit gentlemen with fireshield, Keldorn to whack him with the Firecam sword - all fireshield damage goes onto the unpleasant gentleman as well, right through protections too...