Who is that masked orc!? I have placed the faces of every other male portrait with a matching NPC. I'm guessing that due to the addition of the half-orc race, a picture was neccessary. I've never seen his portrait anywhere else. That makes him an easy target for an interesting mod I suppose.

That's right. Unless they were planning to make an NPC with the Half-Orc portrait and then scrapped him, the portrait is one for your personal enjoyment only. :)

Aren't there a few other of those portraits that don't have an NPC?

Not in BG2 there's not. Trimm is right, only the Half-Orc has no allocated NPC. Of course, in BG2, no-one uses the BG1 portraits (except Quayle).

If you do steal an NPC's portrait, they will use the BG1 equivalent, which is pretty cool.

I had my character with the face of Valygar, and he took Khalid's portrait. Alright, I took his wife when his corpse was still hot and someone else took his face, what else?? :grin:

Actually - there are a couple of BG1 portraits that belong to no NPC. I can think of three at the moment.

Yes, there was a dwarf, a paladin or some other plate mail clad character, and an elf with some type of feathered head-dress in BGI that didn't correlate to any NPC.

Nobody said anything about BG ONE portraits and BG ONE npcs -- the reference was to BG TWO portraits and BG TWO npcs -- read the previous posts a little more closely. Yes, there are a number of BG1 portraits that are not assigned by default to BG1 npcs, but the original poster's point was that ONLY ONE BG2 portrait is not assigned by default to BG2 npcs. Unless, of course, you're counting the BG2 portraits that came originally with BG1, but I don't think that was his point, either. :D

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I was really hoping when I bought BG2 and saw that portrait that I would run across a half-orc barbarian somewhere in the game, but was sadly let down. :(

@ Buck

Aren't there a few other of those portraits that don't have an NPC? If you do steal an NPC's portrait, they will use the BG1 equivalent and he took Khalid's portrait. Actually - there are a couple of BG1 portraits that belong to no NPC Try heeding your own advice.

That's funny, I always thought of that half orc as a barbarian too. Or maybe he could have been a kensai, with the whole loincloth thing going on and all...

disastrous if he wasn't too skilled with his sword though :eek:

That's gotta be embarassing...."I had just finished sheathing my swords on my hips. A few minutes later, Jahiera let me know in no uncertain terms that I had missed!"

"Try heeding your own advice."

Except for the half-orc portrait, all of the BG2 portraits -- as in, in BG2 BUT NOT BG1 -- are assigned to an NPC. In BG1, there are a number of portraits which are not assigned to any NPC whatsoever -- unless, of course, you count the "practice party" in Candlekeep, or the generic PCs that come with the game as playable main characters. The only thing that changes any of this -- in either BG1 or BG2 -- is if you have already chosen an NPCs default portait as your main character's.

"Try heeding your own advice."

The Half Orc was the only new race added to BG2. It seems like they would have expanded on that element. Maybe the romances just seemed to absurd.

True, but they could've had another NPC with no romance. I for one always wished there were more variety with the NPC's in BG2. I know the ones there were all pretty drastically different from one another for the most part. But I would've liked to see a good aligned dwarf, a male elf of some class, a monk, and especially a half-orc barbarian. Come to think of it, I don't remember seeing ANY half-orcs in the game at all. Anyone else?

@ Buck

My point was that the topic had obviously evolved to discuss the BG1 portraits as well, as most topics here tend to vere off into other ideas. Had you "heeded your own advice" and "read the previous posts a little more closely" as you so rudely put it to Aldeth and others, you would've picked up on that. It's not really off topic - as we ARE discussing the portraits - and even if it was, you don't need to be a such a little twerp about it.

dont you kill a half-orc outside of the copper corenet at the begining? the guy right next to the halfling...or is that just a really dumb human?

AFAIK, he's just a dumb human. He doesn't have funny colored skin, and the dialogue doesn't hint at him being a half-orc at all. I really can't think of any others. The only other is the Barbarian with the cursed-berserking sword, who's in the top of the inn in Waukeen's Promenade, with the cranky dwarf and his band. But that's the only one I can think of.

Good point. I don't remember seeing a single Half Ogre since BG1. Ogrillons, but that's about it. I would have been interested in the heritage. Was his mother or father the Ogre...what were the circumstances...love, lust, rape,dwarf spirits, etc. His portrait doesn't seem quite that menacing. I think Caramon Majere's(a character in DragonLance novels who is a good hearted oaf)character might even fit the script. Barbarian makes sense due to the fact that he would be shunned by society, although not to his face. That 19 STR is formiddable. Does anyone else find his portrait to look less than evil? Almost noble....alright that's pushing it, but Chaotic Good is not out of the question.

I think Gromnir Il-Khan is a Half-Orc too.. At least his portrait looks like one.

I don't think their are a lot of half-orcs around, but couldn't it be that that's because you couldn't tell the difference between them and a human anyway?

iceingdeath is +3... its the frostbrand

Thank you for sharing the info on Icingdeath. You are absolutely correct. But I have to ask, what spawned such a comment, Los Drizzt4? I couldn't find anything that referred to the famous dark elf aside from your own public identification.

"My point was that the topic had obviously evolved to discuss the BG1 portraits as well, as most topics here tend to vere off into other ideas. Had you "heeded your own advice" and "read the previous posts a little more closely" as you so rudely put it to Aldeth and others, you would've picked up on that. It's not really off topic - as we ARE discussing the portraits - and even if it was, you don't need to be a such a little twerp about it."

First off, I wasn't trying to flame anyone for being off-topic -- or flame at all for that matter, sorry if it came off that way. Second, my point was that there seemed to be some confusion about one instance where someone had made a statement about BG2 portraits -- in which case it was true -- and a couple other people then started applying it to BG1 portraits -- in which case it was not true, but that wasn't what the original poster had said in the first place -- and contradict him. Lastly, I'm now going to try to edit my previous post to clarify what I left out by mistake.

@trimm sry bout that i had both BG SOA and BG TOB forums up... the comment on iceing death was meant for the SOA but obviously i selected the wrong window

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@ Buck

No problem - I just didn't think that needed to be said at all. The diversion into BG1 portraits was never IMO a result of not reading the previous posts, but a natural and welcome expansion most good threads tend to take. Don't sweat it.

Okay, Rabbit, but just one last time for the sake of clarity:

First, someone said that the half-orc portrait was the only one in BG2 not assigned by default to an NPC.

Next, someone said, no, that's not true, there are a number of BG1 portaits not assigned to NPCs....

And thus, confusion ensued. ;)