View Full Version : POLL: Dead party
Aldeth the Foppish Idiot Wed, 25th Feb '04, 5:23pm Inspired by Fordestar's poll. What do you do when one or more members of your party die in a tough fight? (other than revive them if they aren't the PC.)
I'm going to try to include all possibilities, including the inability to resurrect them, either from them getting chuncked, or say you don't have a rod of ressurection, and your cleric dies.
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Poll Results: Dead party (50 votes.)
Dead party (Choose 1)
* I only reload if my PC dies. - 16% (8)
* I only reload if an NPC gets chunked, and is thus not able to be resurected. - 32% (16)
* I reload if all my clerics/druids die (assume no rod of resurection) so I can't magically restore them. - 18% (9)
* Given the situation in Option 3, I still won't reload unless I don't have the inventory space to carry their stuff back to town. - 8% (4)
* I reload when any of my NPC's die. - 26% (13)
Malovae Wed, 25th Feb '04, 5:51pm I think reloading if your NPC's dies is cheesey in a way. I mean, you can always ressurect them if killed unless as you delicatly put it 'chuncked'.
I feel it should be more like IWD so you can revive any chars including the PC, it makes sense really. I know you could argue that the bhaal essence is gone, but you could also look upon it as a K.O. If you get completely obliterated, the your dead, if ressurect is possible - then its a knock out...
Baronius Wed, 25th Feb '04, 6:46pm I reload when there is no way to resurrect my character in the game.
david w Wed, 25th Feb '04, 7:48pm I reload if I don't have a cleric in my party. It's too much hassle to head all the way to a temple and get them resurrected. And why pay for resurrection when a quick load can do it for me? :D
UsagiRyu Thu, 26th Feb '04, 3:17am I use the lovely rod of resurrection. I CLAU console it in and make sure I have at least 1000 charges on it. Really, really comes in handy if I forget to give some one high XP.
Lacessit Thu, 26th Feb '04, 11:14am Well, it kinda depends on what I'm playing as and so on. It is possible I reload when Korgan gets killed in the middle of a difficult fight and without him I stand no chance of survival, but if the battle is going well, I'm quite happy to fight it and make it come down to the PC to resurrect the whole party if necessary.
But if I'm playing evil and Aerie gets chuncked I'm probably not going to bother resurrecting her. Whiney tart... :rolleyes:
Nocturnal Nomad Thu, 26th Feb '04, 12:14pm Ah, good Ole' Aldeth poll
Anyway, I only reload when someone gets chunked or maybe petrified and I don't have a scroll and it's a million miles till some shop.
Spelladonna Thu, 26th Feb '04, 12:38pm Largely depends on who it is but for the most part if any of my NPCs get chunked, I'll reload.
That being said, however, there have been occasions where I pause and actually debate whether or not I want that character back. **cough cough valygar cough cough**
Harbourboy Thu, 26th Feb '04, 12:44pm If I'm 3/4 of the way through a game and someone dies and I can't get them back and I can't carry on without them, there's no way I'm going to start right from the beginning again when I can just reload.
Also, if you are really that worried that reloading instead of a temple resurrection is cheating then just throw the cost of the resurrection onto the ground and then your conscience will be clear.
david w Thu, 26th Feb '04, 7:27pm I use the lovely rod of resurrection. I CLAU console it in and make sure I have at least 1000 charges on it. Really, really comes in handy if I forget to give some one high XP. Wouldn't it be less hassle to just use the CLUA console to resurrect the dead character? If you're going to cheat, at least do it the proper way.
Baronius Thu, 26th Feb '04, 7:37pm Players like to cheat in very weird and/or clumsy ways, so no wonder.
Wordplay Thu, 26th Feb '04, 7:54pm Well, if it was a great fight, and the character is only 'dead' :p -then I tend to use RoR or head to temple. If it was a regular fight, say; mage gotten insta-gibbed by a red dragon breath, reload. Second or third try and there is no need to hassle with resurrecting.
(And, from roleplayers perspective; no comrades fallen :heh: )
omnigodly Thu, 26th Feb '04, 9:01pm I always buy the RoR as soon as possible and use it 'til it's dead then find the second one, (I never remember where it is, but I always find it.. go figure! :p ).
Though I do reload when my NPC gets chunked, and it would be better if the PC could be res'd. D&D rules aren't you die when you hit 0. That's when you can only take partial actions or you get knocked out, (-1). You have roll to stop bleeding, (or be healed as per a skill or spell). It's not until you hit -10 that you die, (and in the case of a frenzied berserker... until your frenzy runs out.. yea that means you could hit -100000000 and still be alive..... kinda cheesey prestiege class but meh, I'm sure it's been fixed by now!).
Aldeth the Foppish Idiot Thu, 26th Feb '04, 9:09pm @Omni
Not sure what you mean. Depending on what kind of beserk you are talking about you either get +15 hitpoints, or you get a bonus in hitpoints through a constitution increase. Either way, you're probably not going to come out with much more than about an extra 20 hitpoints, tops.
Hyperion Thu, 26th Feb '04, 10:20pm I reload no matter of the dead NPC. It's like a challenge for me. I know that every fight can be won with all my NPCs alive, so just resurecting after the fight it's like I already lost. Anyone could tell me that I was just lucky when I won the fight. And I can't prove that he's wrong unless I win that fight the way it should be: alive.
Scythesong Immortal Fri, 27th Feb '04, 10:12am Same here. Though for other reasons... I find reloading much better than going through the hassle of refitting the armaments of a dead character.
Mod-unwise, though. ;)
casey Fri, 27th Feb '04, 1:55pm I don't think it would be realistic for a full party to go through everysingle fight and not take serious injurys and deaths. Especially true in the harder fights against the five and in WK, and I imagine the ending of the tree of life fight against Irenicus would eventully come down to Protagonist vs Irenicus witheveryone else in the party dead or almost dead, you need to explain the fact that they followed you after all.
Sojourner Fri, 27th Feb '04, 2:37pm Same here. Though for other reasons... I find reloading much better than going through the hassle of refitting the armaments of a dead character.Same here. If I didn't have to go through the hassle of re-equipping everything, I'd re-load less often. It'd be more "realistic", too - when's the last time you saw a corpse disrobe itself?
Scythesong Immortal Sat, 28th Feb '04, 6:15am @Sojourner
Agreed.
Injuries, and near-death status characters, I can manage. Dead fighter-type non-item-packing characters usually don't lead to reloads. But when someone like Aerie or Minsc dies... :)
Of course in my first few games I actually "roleplayed" to the point of not resurrecting characters until at some point when I reached Suldanesslar. (And there discovered the wonders of using the Rod of Resurrection, and Raise Dead and Harper Call spells.)
I had no D&D background before BG.
Jaguar Sat, 28th Feb '04, 11:26am Reload only if my NPC's are chunked or petrified, Because when they are petrified, there is all the hassle of them thinking they got kicked out and what not.
I always carry my RoR with me, because even if everybody but my protagonist is dead, no matter what his class, they can all be brought back.
BTW, for the RoR so I don't cheat, I just sell it when it reaches zero and buy it back again with full charges, same with any rod. (and I don't think that it is cheesy, because it costs you an arm and a leg)
david w Sat, 28th Feb '04, 5:46pm Of course it's cheating. Selling something with 1 charge and then buying it back a few seconds later with 10 charges. Claiming it's not cheating is trying to justify it to your guilty conscience. ;)
You might as well start the game wielding Crom Faeyr and justify it by saying that you'd get the warhammer sooner or later anyway so starting with it isn't really cheating.
Foradasthar Sat, 28th Feb '04, 10:05pm Check the name mate. It's not Foresthar or anything like that. :)
I usually use copypaste in the case of more difficult names. Anyway, I go with reload when you're unable to resurrect them. Either because they're chunks or disintegrated, or because you have no resurrection ability on you. I'm not as much hardcore as actually interrupting my quest and going back to town to get a raise from a cleric. Then again, I don't think I've ever been placed in the situation.
I always make sure I have some 10 scrolls minimum before I go anywhere, and they usually don't go to any less than 7-9 before the next time I can restock. Considering I also have the staffs/wands of course.
Shadow Steele Sun, 29th Feb '04, 12:44am I usually solo but if I have a party member with me temporarily it is for a quest related reason so I have to re-load if they die.
Scythesong Immortal Sun, 29th Feb '04, 2:48am @david w
Of course its not cheating, as long as you sell the Rod to the right person. (ie, a person powerful enough to be able to actually justify recharging the item.) Surely a mage who sells you the entire list of level nine spells and items so rare only the most high level of Bards and gods could have heard about them can recharge the Rod. :rolleyes:
There's a very thin line between being cheesy and cheating, and though most times these terms can be used to replace each other they can be as different as ground and air.
Rastor Sun, 29th Feb '04, 3:19pm One of the "tips" that Bioware gives you on the save/load screen is the sell-buy back thing. Obviously, the designers meant that to be there, so how is it cheating? Cheese maybe...
david w Sun, 29th Feb '04, 6:59pm Doesn't the load/save screen say "Don't try and sell an item with no charges. The shopkeep will think it does nothing."
I don't remember any mention about exploiting the game engine to recharge items.
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