i was wonderin if it's possible to make a vampire kit or class? or maybe race? and if anyone HAS made one for that matter..

anyway what do you think?
Pros and Cons.

i don't like valen that much, but i think a bit more fighter oriented vampire would suit the pc. it Maybe could be like the Werewolfs, where you can polymorph yorself into vampire, becoming at will, or when you taste/smell blood you become vampire automaticly.

ps. i have absolutely NO modding skills what so ever, so i CAN NOT make this.

Cheers, Balle

I thought Valen would be cool if she looked like one of 'Bodhi's Bellydancing Vampires' insdead of the thief avatar, and Valen is also too overpowered.

i agree....

Well at the least the Valen mod shows that you can't *really* make someone a vampire and keep them within the game's limits of power. Any nerfing of vampire powers would make you...not a vampire. Not a D&D vampire, anyway.

You could make a half-vampire kit or NPC, but even that would grow far beyond the power limits of the game. A vampiric child of Bhaal? Why not just make yourself Bodhi? Any of these standard vampire powers would be too much for a character: immunity to charm and hold, permanent level drain abilities, assume mist form, dominate at will. The game already gives you a lesser form of their immunity to magic weapons, but it waits until the very end of SoA to do so--can you imagine playing the game from the beginning and being immune to +1 weapons or less?

Now don't get me wrong--I think it would be fun to play with once or twice. But let's quickly forget this idea of keeping such a character "balanced."

Such an idea has come up before - I belive Mortis' mod Forgotten Children allowed the PC to become an undead creature, although I'm not sure if it's still up for download anywhere. :)

The main concerns people tend to have with this sort of idea are the potential for overpoweredness; and the fact that to become undead you really need to die first (which would cause a Bhaalspawn PC to turn to dust).

There's a vampire "template" on SP at http://www.sorcerers.net/Games/BG2/index_editors2.php , but your romances won't work with it installed. I don't know if it works with ToB either.

I recall playing ToB with those templates, so they should work.

On the balance issue, take a hint from 3E rules and somehow make an eventual Vampire char +8 ECL, or 2E equivalent or something. Starting 'Chateau Irenicus' at level 1, even with an overpowered race/class/template doesn't seem too pleasant.