Well Make Your Vote.

Actually, i don't hate any class but in terms of pure power, i would say the totemic druid is pretty crappy, grin. Oh wait that's your name?:p hehe.

Druid

I think it's the plain bard is pretty crappy.

Personaly i dont see the point of the wizard slayer.

Stalkers, beast masters and avangers suck!

*ahem* has every one forgot jester? I cant belive it hasent been mentiond yet :).

From a role-playing perspective, monks -- totally out of place in the genre. Not that some of the kits for other classes are much better. I've always refused to allow monks in my campaigns, but then I still play first edition AD&D.

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Ok, think of the most crap character in terms of, if you played solo, which character would get you wiped out the quickest with?
Also a personal question, how far would you get as a wild mage?

Bards.

Beastmaster sux IMO.

Paladins of any sort suck! :D

Bards and Druids! :evil:

I refuse to use any Fighters or Mages!

Totemic Druid definatly :). Sorry, I couldn't help myself, but I really don't see the point of this thread. All classes have uses and advantages, and really it all depends on the player. If you're a nature freak take a druid! If you like to boogy take a Bard! That simple :).

Whats good about the beastmaster, Lord Savervok? Druids do stuff they cant as well. Druids are good if played right. Bards are useful too sometimes(use any item, better then F/T/M in BG1) and the song is awesome in TOB.

Beastmaster? He's for all of you animal lovers :). And that's all I'm going to say. Refer to my previous post if you're confused.

the worst one is all druids aceppt the shapeshifter
greater werewolf h0h0h0
by the way frodo wizardslayer rox

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Frog you dont like fighters or mages?
Why?

Druids have their uses so bard is the worst and Jestter is even worse

All classes are viable, even for solo on insane, you've all just made me go and make a party of some of the "weakest" characters :) I'm gonna use druids, bards ang rangers mainly ...

Totemic druid? generally, I think all druids pretty much suck. Also, I would think a wizardslayer would have some magic abilities, understanding mages and all, instead of magic resistance; which you can build up by items anyway. Bards? too girly for my likings...

In my experience wizard slayer is a very very powerfull class.

I can imagine a bards song being usefull if you have 5 archers in your party. They don't move so they will get affected by the song, but the question remains... Does an archer need an extra to hit bonus????

@jbigdaddy there is of course a difference between a character in a party and the character playing solo. I don't mean to say you hadn't thought of it but it is definately worth pointing out. I think I would have a lot of trouble with a character who has little hps and little fighting power like a mage. Even worse if you start in BG1 can you imagine defeating Sarevok with a solo mage?

I tried playing with a bard and here is my opinion of it: Pick pocket skill is basically useless I only used it to get ribald's ring. His spells are useless too. I had a sorcerer in my party too, and wasn't casting any level 6 or lower spells anymore by the time my sorcerer could do level 10. Not with my bard at least. The one exception is tenser's transformation. and finally his fighting skills were usefull but I would have prefered a straight fighter over him. The lore is the one thing I loved about the bard and that was out of pure laziness ;) I really fell in love with his lore! Yet I think that a bard would be a rather excellent character for a solo.

I don't see what's wrong with druids??

Why would you refuse using fighters? There is nothing more relaxing than having a tank in front recieving all the jabs :) in the meantime you can cast spells safely from behind.



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Beastmaster, wizard slayer, normal cleric, normal druid, and normal Bard

Bards and Druids for sure. Bard isn't a real warrior and Druid's are very sad weak nature loving [insert insulting Druid word here]!!!

The Avenger is the only druid that is playable for me, his mage spells make up for the poor druid spell selection at lower levels.

As for Bards, I think they're good, just overlooked, usually for the F/M/T.

I realize that I'll get plenty of flames from this, especially the powergamers, but:

Bards and Druids are nice classes. They are fun, challenging to play (but not overtly hard), and versatile. The Kensai, in retrospect, is a cheap, overpowered class that sadly has the ability to dual into a mage.

Bards and the Jester is the worst of these.

normal druid and jester.

I like the totemic druid because the sprit animals are better than shapeshifting abilitys.

monks

Weakest in 'bashing': Bards ('cept Blade)
Weakest in spellpower: vanilla Fighter
Weakest in thieving: vanilla Fighter

But there is no worst class. Vanilla Fighter makes up for spell/thieving deficiencies by being a damn good hacker.

Monk - unusually boring to play.

How can you guys say monks. They are one of the most powerful players anyone can have. Sure they are weak at the start but the make this up when they start getting really powerful! :)

By the way the druid has to be the most usless character. You can get a cleric for healing spells and, unless you think shapeshifting is cool, most of the what you can shapeshift to sucks.

Bards. Who the hell would go into battle and start singing?

IMHO druid bard wizardslayer

Solo with the worst kit, ie. ive did a solo with a Wizardslayer, Avenger and Shapeshifter... they all pull through in the end.

Worst kit? Nah doesnt exist imho.

I reckon the Totometic Druid sucks. Summon spirit animals? Bah....Normal Druids suck a lot too.

Shapeshifter becomes a bit pointless in TOB, as you get to transform into elementals, which even makes the greater werewolf look like a sissy.

Also the beastmaster, whats the point, its just a really bad druid who can use a bow.

Being a out mage or even a specialist is pretty pointless aswell now with TOB. You might aswell dual a fighter at a low so you can use a weapon of your choice, if you don't like mage weapons, and if you do like mage weapons such as staff it wouldn't hurt putting all your weapon skill points in staff as fighter so later on you can still be a very powerful mage, who can use his weapon with the skill of a fighter.

8) True-class thief. He doesn't sacrifice any of his skills: he is able to backstab, fight, set traps and fly arrows. If only he had the time to do all those things...
7) True-class fighter. Odds are: you will fight better in melee combat (take a Battlerager or axe-wielding Cavalier) or you will fight better in ranged combat (take an Archer)
6) Barbarian. Let me remind you that a tank's duty is managing to be hit as little as possible, maybe even fighting well in the meanwhile.
5) Wild Mage. If you really love that "Load Game" button.
4) Avenger. Instead of shapeshifting in poor losers like wolves and bears, you shapeshift into much more good-looking poor losers
3) Blade. A character who can make many things: fight, tank, sing, steal and spellcast. And who is useless in all of them.
2) Wizardslayer. If you can manage to hit a mage, it's probably easier to take him down on the spot than impeding his spellcasting
1) Beastmaster. That is, trading decent weapons for fodder summoning.

Wizard slayer is IMO the best class if played right. (Using a certain "thief dual strategy")
The worst class is IMO all kinds of druids. They are just a weaker form of clerics.
(I know i wrote "blade" in a different topic, but i have changed that. They are kinda cool actually :p)

swashbucklers suck

Druids. And actually, when cast Improved Chaos Shield, nothing stops my wild mage *grin*


P.S. Wildfire! I can't believe you hate Extremist! ;):grin::roll:

Avenger sux! Druids and Clerics are nice but the Avenger suxx0rz my nutz0rz!!
The Bard is one of the most powerful classes. Especially the Blade and the Skald (from scandinavia, woohoo! :D ). Seriously, Haer'Dalis and my Skald could take Firkraag and the other, unspellable dragon alone. Just sing with the Skald and cast a little lower resistance and breach/pierce magic and do offensive spin and just kill the bastards :D

The monk is VERY powerful. Almost as "overpowered" as the Kensai. You can take a Dragon alone with your high dmg and MR.

spetznaz - I have asked you to read and follow the Boards O'Magick rules and FAQ, specifically the part about "l33t" spelling in posts. If I see any more "l33t" words in your posts after this, I will remove your posting privileges.

The Skald song is powerful indeed, but the Improved Bard's Song (and it doesn't take that long to get it) is to the Skald one as Jimmy Page is to Christina Aguilera. And it doesn't ask you to sacrifice your pickpocketing (one of the main reasons to get a Bard)

Avengers, Beast Masters and Wizard Slayers. Totaly! They suck!

Ghee... the bards are one of the most powerful class in the game! Especially the Skald and the Blade. The Skalds battlesong is just too good to be true, and the Blade is a goddamn good fighter! Especially with the Use Any Items in ToB.

Stop bashing kits ffs.
I soloed both the Avenger & Wizardslayer, so they are not horrible kits.

Not everything has to be uberpowerful to be able to enjoy it...

As for Bards being a good class, I tend to disagree (for powerplaying that is). The Blade is just a lesser fighter, and the Skald is the best Bard kit in the Game, also very fun to play with.

The Blade is more like an "Improved Fighter/Mage" multi-class. I mean, Haer'Dalis could take both Keldorn with Carsomyr and Valygar with Celestial & Corthala Family Blade in 1 on 2 combat; so the Blade is totaly a great alternative for a fighter. Especially with ToB high lvl abilitys. Then you'll get a very different spellcasting fighter. And the Blades "offensive spin" is a better version of the Kensai's Kai (Maximum Dmg(!)). The only thing is that they can't specialize in weapons....

Oh and Blackthorne TA - sorry mate!

Cheers.

And no tricks involved, like Keldorn and Valygar beeing low levels?

or the Blade preparing and Keldorn and Valygar aren't

Or the blade is loaded with special magical items and Keldorn and Valygar aren't?

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Sorry, but can I say BS ?

Haer Dalis is a weak excuse for a fighter. Korgan, Keldorn or even Valygar would mop up the floor with up. And his mage abilities... eh you could take Imoen over that, even her would be a better mage.

No disrespect to Haer Dalis, Ive had him in my party and I liked him very much, but dont overrate him.

ArchAngel - Nah, Keldorn had Holy Avenger +5, Full Plate Male +1(or was it Firecam armor? Can't remember..), Helm of Balduran, Boots of speed...
Valygar had Celestial Fury and Corthala Family Blade, Corthala Family Armor, Ring of Protection +2, Cloak of the Sewers... Can't remember anymore...
Well, anyway, all three had good items and noone was "preparing" before I attacked them (oh, well, Haer'Dalis had the first attack, sry...).

Cheers.