Sorry to make so many posts in a day but I got my friend interested in this game so I wanted to see if anybody knew how to end up with a barbarian(the dude with 12 hps/lvl?)/mage. After you roll the barb, it doesn't allow the option to dual into a mage (he is human even)

I think that like the sorcerer, the barbarian cannot duel. One of the things the creators hard coded or some such thing.

Two ways: mod or SK

There is a mod out there somewhere that allows a Barbarian or Wild mage to dual-class. Failing that, you can simply SK a multi or dualled Fighter to Barbarian, since it is treated as a Fighter kit by the engine. There's a bit more work after just SKing the class field, but if you pay attention to the details (rage ability, HPs, immunity to backstab, etc.) you can make it work.

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The barbarian is different in that it is a kit while the sorceror (and monk) is treated as a class rather than a kit. Like how the Archer and Stalker kits cannot dual-class either. The kit restrictions are at least liftable because of the class combinations available. Sorceror and monk would require significantly more work.

There actually isn't any good reason for Stalkers and Archers being unable to dual class. It takes like three seconds to fix. The question is whether this was a "bug" or a "design decision". Personally, I think the fact that Stalkers and Archers can't dual is a developer oversight since none of the other horribly over-powered kits (from base classes which can dual class in the IE) are unable to dual class.

The Stalker may have been done because they came across some issue with the fact that it has a backstab multiplier and ending up with it adding to or over-riding the thief multiplier or something.

Rangers can't dual class as thieves, so that isn't an issue, here.

Yes rangers can only dual into clerics, so it makes little sense why the kits are not allowed to be able to dual.

Silverstar: The Beastmaster can dual, the other kits can not.

damn, that beastmaster/cleric sounds pretty cool. what weapon do you end up using for them at high lvl? Looks like it's only club/staff/bows on their availability.

The beastmaster/Cleric is actually only able to use clubs, staves, and slings. You'd be a lot happier dualing a straight Ranger.

Unless you plan on playing as a support type character, I agree Drew.

A Beastmaster/Cleric would be a great caster, and could still hold his/her own in melee with Ironskins. As a matter of fact, if you use Stealth a lot, it's probably a pretty decent character.

BTW, there is a mod that allows Barbs to dual. I think a Barb>Mage would be a very effective character. The Bers>Mage has a better Rage (for immunities), but the Mage class can more than handle that. Since you won't need armor, that drawback of the Barb class is negated, and the added speed is sweet (esp. if it stays after dual-classing... I find Mages have to run if you don't position them correctly).

If you want to cheat a multiclassed Barb/Mage, you'll have a really sweet character. Since you're already cheatin', make sure you cast DUHM and Rage before each level-up... the CON bonus to HP stays after it wears off if you have it during level-ups!

Hrm, I think I could try to make a barb, then use sk to convert it to a true class or something (fighter) then dual..after dualing, switch the kit back to barb?

A Beastmaster/Cleric would be a great caster, and could still hold his/her own in melee with Ironskins. As a matter of fact, if you use Stealth a lot, it's probably a pretty decent character.Decent, but the kit advantages (except for the familiar) are rendered essentially useless by his cleric levels. In exchange for 12 hitpoints (which is pretty much all a familiar is good for) and a few summon animal spells (which he'll have coming out of his ears due to his cleric levels) he loses the ability to wear any metal armor at and wield anything but a club, staff, or sling. A straight Ranger dualled to cleric will be a lot more effective and versatile (even though he has 12 less hitpoints). In addition to that, in the unmodded game, this dual class option is broken since there aren't enough useable proficiency slots to progress past level 20.

I finally got it to work. You have to bounce from SK to game several times. I made a human barb, then switched to true class fighter in SK. Dualed in game to mage, then SK'd the xp to make him regain his barb lvl (to make sure the silly thing works *but make sure you change kit back to barbarian while still a mage. It didn't seem to work when I didn't change after lvl'g past regaining barb lvl), upon gaining his barb lvl, he can't use scrolls, but right clicking on them allows scribing. From there you can mem them and cast after resting. So I guess the barb/mage is possible except you cannot use scrolls the correct way. At least you can memorize them! Plenty good enough for me. :) Most importantly he's immune to backstab now hehe

So technically, you can do this to become a barb/druid, cleric, etc. Not sure if buttons work on cleric or thief tho!