Is this one of the best swords in the game or is it just me?

Must be just you! :)

It is one of the best swords in the game. and for a one handed weapon it is better than most two handed.

Nope, it's definitely NOT one of the best swords in the game.
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It's the best KATANA in the game.
(Sorry bout that, couldn't resist). :D

I shall rephrase you both twice.

Its one of the best magical items in the game

Its one of the best weapons in the game.

It's one of the best magical weapon that you can get early in chapter 2 or 3 if you can beat the party in the compond area to get it.
Celestrial Fury can stun opponents, used for back stabbing, gives a nice booming aura around an enemy when it strikes them. With a 1D10 +3 and a fast speed factor it's faster than most two handed swords doing the same ammount of damage but with only one hand.

Black Razor is better but you get in chapter 7 which is a little too late in the game for you to make use of it.

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A funny thing happened in the big fight with the Vampires...I had Drizzt's boys, the Paladins, and the Shadow thieves helping me out, but everytime I started fighting the vampires, one by one the allies would yell, "What?!?! The fool Chuchulain (me) attacks, even though we are helping him?!! Leave him to his fate! Fall back!" And so forth...of course I wasn't targeting any of my allies, and thought maybe this was a glitch, until I realized that Chuchulain was using Celestial Fury, and whenever the NPC allies got too close, they'd get hit with the area affect, and they'd get pissed off and leave. So that might be one fight in which it would be good to have a backup weapon....

I love C'Fury because of all that **** posted before and one little point: Have you noticed that C'Fury stuns THROUGH stoneskins and mirror images for sure, protections from normal/magical weapons and mantles I'm not sure but I think. Nice delay for their spells and other crap. o.k. not nearly as good as Carsomyr or the Staff Of The Magi but dual-wielded a killer...

btw. actually it can't hit most Golems but stuns them anyway so your cleric with two hammers has enough time to do some disassembling

[This message has been edited by Elenias Nal'nair (edited December 31, 2000).]

Yeah i noticed that, they sustain no damage but their stunned, leaving you time to wait for their spells to wear off.

Those who use the Celestial Fury throughout the game may indeed feel it is one of the top 3 weapons in the game. I also would rate it there as well. The Staff of the Magi, the Croem Fayr and the Celestial Fury can be used to 'wreak havoc' upon your opponents.

The difference is the Celestial Fury can be acquired at a VERY low level and then used througout the rest of the game. Additionally you'd be suprised and amazed how many times one of it's combat abilities 'kick in' during each round. Let's not forget that it does the damage of a 2-H Sword but allows you to use a Shield being that it is a 1-H weapon.

My personal favorite is the Staff of the Magi, then the Celestial Fury, then Croem Fayr.

Yes, C`Fury is among my favourite weapons, sepecially since I played a d/c fighter-thief (you can use it for bachstabbing).
I also really like the warblade, staff of the magi, flail of the ages, Crom Faeyr and the fireswords (possible spoiler)
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There are two of them: The firesword +1 you can buy at waukeens promenade is good against trolls but the second one is far better: flamethounge, my old compagnon from BG-I-TOSC. I always felt it does good effect on most opponents, undead, dragons, golems and so forth.

Sorry, I´m not messy, it´s just my way to get more posts: You find flamethounge in the druid forrest area.

Yes, the Fury is one of the best weapons, with Black Razor for sure :)).

My preferences : Staff of Magi, Black Razor, Carsomyr, Crom Faeyr, the Fury.

I've never really thought of the staff as a weapon even though it can be nice to dispell magic on hit(if Imoen can hit them with it). I just keep it handy for all the very nice defensive abilities and spells, oh, and of course invisibility. As far as actual weapons that I use in combat, I like Crom Feyr, Celestial Fury, Blackrzor, Daystar, and Soul Reaver. The only reason I leave Casomyr out of the mix is because I don't have nor ever will have a Palidan, unless I mess around and try to create a fallen palidan(probably not). The game has a lot of other really nice weapons that are a regular part of my arsenal, bu I prefer those because of their special abilities.

I like the staff of the Magi for Arie. I am also fond of the dragon slayer sword and shield that you get. I actually equiped my priest of Lathander with the shield and Mazzy when I picked her up, with the sword. It has both of them kicking some good butt!!!
I also like some of the more popular ones, but they have already been named so I won't repeat them.

Is it just me or has anyone else found the flamethounge (longsword) to do damage even against oztherwise protected liches and undead, when all other weapons don´t had any ?
Even though it doesn´t has any extra-plusses on THACO it´s still my weapon of choice (sword) against undead.

Except that: Blade of Roses is also quite nice. Actually I tend to prefer longswords to katanas now for the great variety of different weapons with certain abilities tha come in handy at some points in he game.

Anyone care to tell a newbie where they can get their hands on these weapons of (apparently) mass destruction?

Celstial Fury can be found on the second floor of the guarded complex in the Temple area.

Anyone else here use the Dragon's Breath 4+? That's the weapon i always use with my ranger.

Although admitedly, i do have minsc dual wielding celestial fury and crom fayer.

two things:
1.) Elrawyn be careful. Celestial Fury is only to obtain by a really tough fight. Especially when you're low level. (Hint: do the first floor, rest and then upstairs.)

2.) The Dragon's Breath rules (though I don't use it anyway) because it's a nice weapon against regenerating creatures and spellcasters. I think a strike counts as 4 or 5 hits (d10+4x1)in terms of stone skin or mirror image. For all the fighters who actually can't dispel magic.

Check out http://www.sorcerers.net/Games/BG2/itemguide.htm for locations and stats of all the goody goody weaponry in BG2.

Crawl, I like a lot the Staff of Magi especially against large groups of creatures : I come inside the groupe invisible, appear then disappear quickly, so the creatures surround me... then, 1 or 2 Solar Fires do some nice damages :).

It's a nice method I use with my Solo Sorceror.

Then the +5 and dispell abilities are nice too... hmmm and Spell Trap... well, ok I stop here ;).

I give just the global direction for weapons of mass destruction (The only real mass-destructors are mages; no fighter can don that much damage that quick to so many victims):
Some more exotic stuff, nontheless quite handy:
-Flamethounge: Druid´s forrest
-Firesword +1: in Waukeens Promenade
-Belm (scimitar, 1 extra attack, 1W8 + 2 or 3/ Druid´s forrest near a cow)
-Skullcrusher (?!); mace +4/ underdark
Good fun chopping monsters

Skullcrusher is +3 if I remember right. My Anomen has it. Very cool mace.

Heh... I wasn't gonna step into that trap again... Last time I got ripped a new one... :)

You´re right Tal, I mixed it up: Skullcrusher does 1w6+4 damage, +2 extra damage against humanoids and has ETWO-3, but it is a mace +3.
Numbers tend to confuse me.

Well I think Celestrial Fury is a very powerfull Off-Hand-weapon. It does much damage, is fast and very important: it stuns... so with a few + on katana and 2-wepon-style it's very powerfull in the off-hand. While the character is stunned, its easy to hit him some more with the Flail of the Ages or the Equalizer in the main hand. Powerfull against druids and sorcerers too.

My char. a paladin uses long sword, hammer, two handed sword so no katana for him.

Minsc uses two handed sword and mace (hey I didn't waste his points in mace Black Isle did) so no katana for him

jaheria can't use it

anomen can't use it

I'm not giving it to jan or aerie.

so I sold it. I sure wish it was a scimitar for jaheria or a long sword. oh well.

About flamethounge: Did anyone else use it? I think it performed quite well against undead (better that daystar), so I´m surprised that I seem to be the only one who likes it.

Daystar has that once a day spell (holy something) streamlined against undead which killed 6 vampires in one go (second time into the cementry). I don't think flametoung can best that. I had Nalia equipped with flame for a long time but now it tends to be daystar (she only melees in dire need (allways gets her gown dirty)).
And melee fighting is for cheating cowards anyway.


[This message has been edited by Sorl (edited January 10, 2001).]

Melee fighting is the only way for kill for a kensai-thief, Sorl. Doubtless, backstabbing is unfair cowardry (but it´s pretty cunning, isn´t it?, especially with AC -4).
Of course, the on real heroes in the game are snipers and mages firing spells and arrows from a safe sanctuary.

"Of course, the only real heroes in the game are snipers and mages firing spells and arrows from a safe sanctuary."

LOL!

I'm glad that's a joke.

Syl...

Joke? What's so funny about that? Everyone knows that bows are the weapon of choice for the heroic adventurer...

LOL!

Oh BTA you are just as funny too!

Hehehehe

Hohohohho

Hahahahah

Oh me oh my!

Syl...

Heh... I thought you'd like that! :)

Fight A: (anonymous mage vs. anonymous monster)
Standing unprotected face to face with a fierce enemy (ok at calling distance :) ), knowing his first hit will be the last one you will feel, weaving up a spell that might stay him for a second - but then may not - a second spell to bring down his defenses, he's upon you now (carrying that heavy platemail shield, helm twohanded weapon somehow doesn't slow him compared to you), so you nimbly and just barely avoid his first blow, jump behind him, run a few steps, cast your second attackspell acid arrow, just barely get if off before his katana bytes through the staff you defendingly hold before yourself. A close one; you're thrown down, but you see him stagger from the acid injected into his veins; you creep away backwards as fast as you can, but his ugly hateful face comes nearer and nearer. He topples over forward screaming in pain, you use your chance fire a magic missile at his unprotected face and so end his miserable life.

Fight B: (anonymous fighter vs. anonymous monster)
You confidently stand in armor and shield (AC -14, HP 120, THAC0 -5) wielding crom in yopur right. You know the enemy will get a hit in 2.5% of his attempts doing about 5 hp damage to you, so you have about 800 rounds, to mindlessly hack away at him doing an average of 50 hp damage to him every round. Not that you exactly know his hps but everything below 40000 is uncritical, considering you regenerate quickly. So suppressing a yawn you kill the enemy with two strikes, pull a hankerchief to pat off the two sweat drops wich formed and are off for the next monster.


So which fight takes more courage (not on the monsters side, mind you)???

Clearly the fighter standing safely in his mobile bunker pumped (in his AC, hps, to hit, to damage, ...) up by dozens of magical items, getting double strikes by his boots of speed alone, has the odds safely at his side.

The mage/sorcerer has got some defensive spells which take so long to cast that the first one is over while the poor bastard is still busy waving his hands around. He got allmost nothing to enhance his spellcasting capabilities (the drawbacks of having a perfect mind :)). So he relys on his exceptional brain and exceeding courage to defeat even the most terrifying of opponents at great personal risk.

I'm not saying that mages or sorcs are stupid loosers. They are proud warriors and fun to play :cool: . But they certainly do not have to step back to some uncivilized swordwielder who can't count to three just because he never needs more strikes against an enemy. Their spells may bridge a greater space than the longsword, but that does not neccessarily reduce their risk or courage.

Flame over


[This message has been edited by Sorl (edited January 11, 2001).]

You guys! Such jokers! Next we'll be reading about archers. Good one Sorl! I loved it!

Syl...

You mean there are people out there that DON'T play an Archer class? I don't think so... After all, the Archer class is really the only worthwhile class to play, and everyone knows it...

Hey Sorl, how about that:

Your weak little sorcerer is down in Irenicus dungeon, alone in the dark. You decided to learn some nice spells when you built up your character, skull trap for example.
You go and meet this funny oger-magus and fry him with a few magic missiles. Then you head down that way to the bottle-people, wiping away six goblins with a skull-trap (as you will do three more times). It starts to bore you then, if don´t have any ambitions to annilhilate the whole goblin population of Faerun.
Fortunately there is a bit of diversion in form of a few poor mephits. Hmm, which superior killing spell is appropiate? Acid arrow, hmm, always these decisions what needs to be made.

You may think it´s better to play it straight as a ranger with his longsword, but imagine: He´s blinded by the mephits, the goblin archers firer arrows at him while their comrades stop you in front of them, other mephits paralize you ore attack you with cold, fire or lightning...

He´s alone in the dark too.

Excuse my poor typing.

Who's weak sorcerer??
Mine's strong and prowd.
I don't really get your point, my sorc isn't immune to being blinded. If you get blinded do as I do and charge a force attack in the direction you came from and slam the next door closed behind you. I have to household very carefully with my spells (you got a lot more arrows in your quiver and keep finding new ones on the way) lest I sleep 8 hours for 5 minutes of spell casting (not my style, especially in a dungeon, where my captor an admittedly strong spellcaster may at anytmie reappear (and killing him now would end the game and I payed as much as you did)).
So I use darts and trowing-knives. I don't really mind fighters as long as they don't melee :). Actually I don't even mind that, these poor people don't know any better, they can't spellweave.
Just don't say it's cool to hide behind tons of armor.

As for your assumptins concerning my relation to goblins:
I'm chaotic good, so I don't kill for fun, I don't kill for money, I kill for the shear experience (and take the loot to balance my expenses) :D !
Being such a pure soul, I never tire of learing, gaining more experience, and balancing even more of my expenses.

And yes, being a sorcerer means taking a difficult path in live. More difficult than a simple mage as I make spell decicions for life at every major turing point of my career. This mandates wisdom in addition to superior intelligence. As leader a high charisma is also necessary (thank the gods of chaos for that ring).


[This message has been edited by Sorl (edited January 12, 2001).]

Yes life´s hard. I who played a cleptomaniac dc kensai-thief for ages, can say the I never really enjoyed the luxury of an AC lower than -4. As a kensai I can´t use any ranged weapons and the largest weapon I can use for backstabbing is a lousy little katana. I can´t even use the simple bracs of AC-3, so popular among mages and sorcerers.

When I find a group of opponents I can´t simply put a nice "kill-em-all" (lvl-10 spell) on them. I can´t kill innocent little dragons with a lousy "finger-of-death". I cannot simply protect me from missiles, magical weapons or magical energy with a scroll I recently found/ bought/ stole.

I have to sneak heroically into the group of my opponents to attack the strongest of them first. And then I have to slaughter the rest in the traditional Lancelotian-style. And as a status conscious thief I steal anything mobile just for the fun of it though I don´t get any xp for that. Thats devotion Sorl.

A true believer! I bow my head (and secretly cast a spell to temp. enhance my charisma).

Oh thank you Sorl. I can´t tell you how long I´ve been waiting for this kind of public acceptance (sniff)

Yeah, Sorl, way to go!

WHOA!?!This topic certainly bloomed!