I´v heard here and there that as a title for the second part of the LOTR trilogy ´The Two Towers´ will probably changed into somethiing else. (As `the Two Towers´ should be some kind of reference to the horrid action on 11th septembre)
Don´t you all think this is a little far fetched as in my opinion it is.
Offcourse, the day is and will be remembered as a gruesome act of terrorism, but hey, come on, not everything in life should be tied to one event that´s happened in history. (Note: remember that there are literally thousands and thousand of innocent people being killed and murdered by acts of war and terrorism around the world)

And the idea of changing the name of the second title into something else at all, gives me the shivers.

Like, what should the title be, `The exciting adventures of Frode and Sam`.....come on!

And for the third part of the trilogy, Return of the king, better watch it cause the movie might find itself banned in Roemenia. (For all those who do not know, a few months ago a banished king returned from exile as the new president)

What´s your opinion ?

The two towers we are speaking of are the towers of Barad Dûr, and they are at the gate to evil. Anyone who links them with 11th of September would be claiming that USA is the prime evil of this world, and that they are going to destroy us all. Seems like nonsense to me. They can't change the title.

LotR Episode 2: Attack of the Ringwraiths!

:D :heh: :happy: :D

In Estonia its The Two Fortresses or something.

It just might happen. Censorship is booming in USA at this point, with a blacklist of songs that might remind of the incident, movies that have (had) anything to do with terrorism or showed WTC and a movie unfortunate enough to be named The Two Towers will have a really hard time getting past the censors. I feel it's stupid (banning the sheer mention of it, come on), but it's quite possible that they'll do it.

I hope at least us Europeans will get it with the proper title, if Americans don't.

It's not government censorship. It's self-censorship. People who make movies are choosing to change them to avoid reminding people of the attacks. People who run radio stations are deciding not to play songs that sound anti-American. These are all good things, so long as the government isn't forcing it.

Does it reeaally only matter if it´s government censorship or just censorship.
It´s not a question who is to blame for censoring, it´s a question whether censorship in this case is not a little too much of it all....

Well I never said it's the government doing it. It's brilliant they don't even have to. Scary even, that a whole society manages to keep itself in check by censoring itself. An interesting sociological & psychological phenomenon indeed. Self-imposed censorship is so extremely rare that I can't remember another instance of it...

Who are you going to blame if it actually gets renamed to something like The Lord of the Rings: The Two Spires just so that it doesn't have the word "tower" in the title?

No, sorry, misunderstood I guess.
I´m not trying to discuss the matter of censorship here nor who is or will be to blame. (I don´t think censorship is good, but then again I don´t think that freedom of speech can be applied to all cases. Yes, freedom of speech, but with respect of other people !)
The matter at hand is more the question if a movie like LOTR (Or any movie at all !) should be ´linked´ to the events of the 11th.
And if that would be the case or not, where do you draw the line. Movies, books, , games, jokes, comments.
Life goes on, as hard as that may seem. More and also terrible things have happened in the near or distantpast and will happen in the future, all around the world and they´re not linked or compared to every movie, book or game.

Oh man... "Two Spires" just because of something that happened the day before my b-day?! Actually, I heard that Two Towers is already made and that they are just waiting to release next year (as well as making the Return of the King). Sheesh... some people are *way* too sensitive about that event...

Yes, it silly that they would change the name of anything because of a "Possible link" to bad feelings. However, the production companies for any type of entertainment media would consider it a liability. The reason being is that frivolous lawsuits run rampant in America. If somebody thinks they can make a buck off of someone for some twisted feeling of pain and suffering, they'll do it. I'm surprised that someone hasn't tried to sue the networks in America for showing the terrorist attack live. It sad that is coming down to that, but it's not worth the gamble.

Actually Shadow Godess, the whole film has already been made, but it was always scheduled to be released December 01/02/03 for the three parts.

So at least that had nothing to do with Sept. 11.

As for changing the name of part 2.. I dunno if it will happen 12 months down the line or not. Would be a great shame though if they felt they had to. As Tal said, perhaps at least in Europe we'll have it under it's correct title.

Wildfire, nice line about "attack of the Ring Wraiths".

As for the two towers - I don't think they will change the name. See the interview with PJ on the subject at Theonering.net BTW the two towers is not refering to Barad Dûr, the two towers are Orthank and Minus Morgal (sorry about the spelling). See the introduction to the 2nd edition.

Oops, there was me thinking they were Minas Tirith and Minas Morgul.

Remember that it won't open until december... hopefully this all will have settled down by then. I really don't think the world needs a return of the McCarthy days with a new enemy added.

And if reading it specifically wasn't enough, you may be so bold as to think for yourself and realize that Orthanc and Minas Morgul were the two towers that were focused on in the book.

The Two Towers that are mentioned are not Orthanc and Minas Morgul. The two towers where it is all about:

1. Minas Tirith (The White Tower (In the past it was called Minas Anor, The Tower of the Setting Sun, renamed to Minas Tirith, the White Tower, after Minas Ithil was captured by the Nazgul)

Ah, about the topic: It's so annoying. Tolkien called this part The Two Towers before the Twin Towers even existed. There are more "Two Towers" in the world then the Twin Towers and I don't see why the name should be changed, for this has nothing to do with the Twin Towers and I don't see any reason to change the tital of the movie. Or are people nowadays too dumb to see the difference between two towers in a fantasy-story and the Twin Towers?

2. Minas Morgul, in the past named Minas Ithil, the Tower of the Rising Moon, build by the people of Gondor as watchtower, on the border with Mordor, captured by the Nazgul in Era 3, year 2002 (yeah, it's really true) and renamed to Minas Morgul that means the Tower of Black Sorcery, and this tower became the place where the Nazgul used to "live"

Those two towers where always fighting each other.

However Orthanc was also a tower, this one has nothing to do with the title the Two Towers.

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Did Tolkien ever state that the Two Towers are Minas Ithil/Morgul and Minas Anor/Tirith? There are so many towers that could fit the bill - Barad-dûr, Orthanc, Minas Morgul, Minas Tirith, Cirith Ungol, even the Towers of the Teeth. Minas Morgul and Minas Tirith make a good pair, but of course Minas Tirith takes no part in book 2. Personally I go for Orthanc as one, and probably Minas Morgul for the other.

As I stated above the two towers according to the _author_ are Minas Morgul and Orthanc. He clearly states it in the introduction to the book. Thus, I don't see what the issue is. You may have _your_ opinion and that's fine and all. But the answer in JRRT's mind is a matter of record.

I see how the While Tower would appear to be a possiblity, but none of the fellowship arrive at Minas Tirith until the start of the third novel. Headbanger, Orthanc has lots to do with the second novel. Who sends out the orcs of attach the fellowship? Who commands the forces that attack the Hornberg? What area is attack and destoryed by the ents? Orthanc is a central driving force in the Two Towers.


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I take back what I said about Barad Dur :). I looked through the maps the other day, and Barad Dur is in the middle of Mordor. No reason to have that in book 2 ;).

Well, I might be wrong ;)

In the book he may mention Orthanc and Cirith Ungol (?) but when you would say The Two Towers in ME, everybody would think about The Tower of the Sun and the Tower of the Moon, those towers belonbged to each other like Sun and Moon do.. and later in ME, these towers (black and white) where always fighting each other while Saruman's became only important in the end of the Era.

Since when has LotR ever been a trilogy anyway, reading the books it is either six or one.

Luan: Ever since they called the books Fellowship of the Ring part 1 and 2, Two Towers part 1 and 2, Return of the King part 1 and 2. Clearly there's an indication that there are 3 of them there, even though each one of them are separated into two parts.

Was there a animated version of "The Two Towers"? I have "The Hobbit" and "Lord of the Rings",and I know there is a "Return of the King"

What is the "Cirith Ungol"? I have heard about it, but I dont know/can't remember what it is.

Cirith Ungol is a Tower AND a pass at the western border of Mordor, it lays some morth of Minas Morgul. Shelob lives there and made that pass hard to enter

Cirith Ungol is the tower near\in Morgul Vale I think. And the two towers are the two that fight each other all the time, IMHO, ie, Minas Tirith and Minas Morgul\Ithil.

There have been three books since they were published. The Fellowship in 1953, The Two Towers in 1954, and Return of the King in 1955. True there are 6 "books" but they are more like "parts". You can still buy the three novels seperately, as there were first released.

sorvo, There was a animated version of the Hobbit and The Fellowship made. The Fellowship which was called "The Lord of the Rings" released in 1978 contains parts of both the Fellowship and the Two Towers. It is awful. The Return of the King, animated movie, made in the 1980s, was made by different producers and again wasn't anything to write home about. They were not part of the same project.

The 1978 animated version planned to release a "part II" but after the failure of "part I" the project was canceled.




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While censoring the name would be silly, Im not really too bothered; I just want to see some ents trouncing Isengard :D

I want to see the Battle at Helmsdeep... and also of course the destruction of Isegard... and the defeating of Shelob. But the name should just remain The Two Towers

Thanks for that info Voltric:)I actually liked the animated version which made me really like the new movie,but I guess I need to read the books to get the whole picture!