With the coming release of the first book of'The hunters blades trilogy' which is the forth trilogy if I am correct.

I was wondering who is going to buy this book when it comes out? and if you are looking forward to it (I know I am)

[ October 14, 2002, 21:31: Message edited by: Taluntain ]

I'll buy it... Sooner or later. I want to read them in order though, so it'll be a while before I come to The Thousand Orcs.

Never heard of it? what is it about, who is the writer, is the rest any good?

I believe Salvatore is writing it, and that prejudice alone makes me want to avoid the book.

What's wrong with salvatore?

Salvatore is slowly getting worse, besides, there are much better books than his around

If you are talking about the drizzt novels I agree for the most part

1:yes the first books were better
2:no because they are still really fun to read

If you are talking about his other novels especially the demon wars I really don't agree

Together with the second drizzt trilogy (the dark elf trilogy) I think the demon wars books are the best I ever read. And that definatly includes the lord of the rings, those two are much better in my opinion.

I know it's personel but I just had to say this

The book is listed at http://www.sorcerers.net/Books/index_fr.htm where you can also download a sample chapter from it.

I'm definitely buying it. And I really don't get why no one likes Salvatore anymore, what's wrong with his books? Except for the Cleric Quintet, I think they're extraordinary (I've only read his FR books though).

If you like Salvatore and want to read something outside of FR then try The Crimson Shadow series. They are very short but still masterfully written. I'm trying to get to Sojourn still, but when I come to Thousand Orcs I'll buy it, or check it out from the liabrary seeing as I usually blow my money on munchies.

I never saw anything wrong with Salvatore, true his books lack the sophistication of say The Lord of the Rings or the Wheel of Time series, but they're not bad books. Then again, I've only read the Icewind Dale Trilogy in full and a very abridged audio version of Starless Night (I think that's its name, the book where Drizzt goes back to Menzoberranzan.)
Some of my friends don't like any of his books, at least the FR novels because in their words "they're all munchcan characters with little or no human or rather believable qualities." Ah well, it's all about taste I suppose. So, what's this new novel supposed to be about? I'm too lazy right now to go look it up.

The quality of his later Drizzt books is horrible. I'm thinking Silent Blade and The Spine of the world here. The books are not as well written as many other books I have come across and, lets face it, Drizzt is invincible. There is no chance that he will ever die. I also reckon that bringing Wulfgar back was cheaply done. I will buy in depth books rather than the new Drizzt one's unless something great happens to change my mind.

I really don't think this is fair

nr1: the main character in every book everywhere doesn't die (or it's the definate end) and drizzt came really close by the by in the end of sea of swords. Why does a hero have to die to become real!?
nr2: I don't see a gandalf or a legolas die and no one gives them a hard time.

nr3: munchkin chars they may be, but if you've read the entire series you can't deny depth that has been put in the chars, especially drizzt and cattie brie

Drizzt gets into a bunch of scrapes and messes every book. Sure, he (or at least one or two of his buddies) fall near death, but you know that Salvatore can't kill him off. So you know that Drizzt won't die, someone/thing will save him, and the powerful enemy feared by all will be destroyed (or run away and decide he/she/it has nothing better to do than exact revenge on Drizzt someday). Of course, protagonists in most books don't die, but if Drizzt went through the stuff that is described in his books, he (or one of his friends) should probably he dead by now. Bilbo doesn't die because he only went on one adventure. Same for Frodo, Legolas, or whoever.

And as for character depth, yes, there is some inner feeling; Drizzt and Catti-brie are more than demon-slaying machies. But the depth is still quite limited, and there seems to be little inner conflict of the characters. The heroes and the bad guys are easily separable. Drizzt and the others rarely have a fleck of anger or hate in them, and the bad guys are simply pure evil.

And Gandalf did die; Balrog ring a bell?

[ October 16, 2002, 22:59: Message edited by: C'Jakob ]

Yes, I definitely plan on getting the series.

So Rob isn't gonna kill Drizzt (most likely). Big deal. I'm sure many other characters will die in his place though. And honestly, if you were writing a story that you enjoyed (or for some of you, a story that was rankin' in a lot of cash), would you kill the main character?

Jakob, Gandalf doesn't die. You'll see in Two Towers...or you can DL the trailer online for TTT, it shows Gandalf fighting the balrog while they're falling.

If I were in Salvatore's shoes, I might not kill him off if Drizzt's books were the only way I could put food on the table, but if the Drizzt books reflected reality (that in FR, anyways), I'd say Drizzt (or Regis, Catti-brie, Wulfgar) would be dead by now, several times if they got resurrected. At the very least, if I were Salvatore, I'd make sure characters were made more of than cardboard and had foibles and flaws.

Are your referring to the film when you speak of gandalf getting killed by the balrog in the mines of moria on the bridge of kazadhum?

Cause if you are, spoiler ahead (I would be surprised though if someone didn't know this)
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He does come back you now, quite alive I might add

I agree with you on the many adventures and they haven't died by now (although wulfgar did die but came back) but if for example Tolkien would have written a sequal which he could have done (across the ocean), we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Why kill one of the most populair characters of the FR off?
Oh and Artemis Entreri for one isn't pure evil as is Jarlaxle
And one last thing most of drizzt enemies were drow or demons who are evil by nature not heart and it would be a little unbelieveble making a demon with morals would it?

I'm sorry but I just have to defend my favourite auther and his chars.

Yes, so Drizzt doesn't die, but there will never be a sense of closure in those books. They can go on till the end of time if one so wanted to continue writing them. He doesn't necesarily have to die to bring closure but closure is one of the most important and best (IMO) parts of a story.

Oh, and Gandalf dies, and is resurected as Gandalf the White IIRC.

Last question, I read LOTR but by whom exacly is Gandalf ressurected

Please don't say himself

If I remember correctly (its been a while) he falls from the bridge of kazadhum where he battled the balrog, he then walked in the darkness for he doesn't know how long and returned.

Am I that much off or what

Apeman, I know, I said the same. Fact is, Gandy's alive, but this is a discussion on Drizzt, sooo, back to the topic at hand...

"At the very least, if I were Salvatore, I'd make sure characters were made more of than cardboard and had foibles and flaws."

Uhh...yeah...so none of 'em have flaws, eh? What about Wolfgar attackin' Cattie-Brie by accident because of a recent dream he had?

No, I won't be buying the book. I haven't read any of Salvatores stuff. No offense to the man. There is so much out there to read, and so little time to do it.
I have been reading Joseph Conrad lately (currently reading Heart of Darkness). This should be required reading for all of the Europeans here who constantly bash America.
Additionally, I have been accumulating and reading the various Nebula and Hugo winning novels from over the years. Some really great stuff.

From what I can understand, Wulfgar has turned his back on friends and allies more than once. What about it? You said he attacked Catti-brie accidentally because of a dream. Meaning that you can't blame him; it wasn't his fault. Just like most of the protagonists in the book, they're mostly near the point of blameless.

From your point of view, I'd like to know what you think of Elminster, Shandril, Danilo Thann, Arilyn Moonblade, Cadderly, Queen Amlaruil, The Knights Of Myth Drannor, and hell, any other heroes of Faerun.

OK, ressurected was the wrong word. Reborn is what I meant to say. And no, not literely born, just to save you saying something about that.

I just got an email from amazon.co.uk

and the thousend orcs has been shipped and I can expect it next week, yay :)

I hope it's gonna be good

And you didn't buy it from SP, right? :rolleyes:

I'm not a big fan of Forgotten Realms, Xandar. I haven't read a single book concerning those heroes you described. Perhaps they are a bit more rounded off than Drizzt and Co.

And hopefully, my last rant against Salvatore (in this thread, anyways).

And one last thing most of drizzt enemies were drow or demons who are evil by nature not heart and it would be a little unbelieveble making a demon with morals would it?First of all, the former (about drow) is clearly not true. Consider Drizzt or Soulafein (from Baldur's Gate II). Secondly, drow elves, and perhaps demons (although we can only speculate) do have thoughts and feelings, even if they are full of hate and rage. But drow do have time to consider their ways; they do have doubts about their culture and lifestyle. As for demons, well, it's not such a great book when the antagonist is pure, unadulterated evil; it just makes the reader take sides.

Yes, I realize the last statement flies in the face of Tolkein and a few other hundred novelists. But at least Tolkein's characters have their own doubts and flaws, even it only applies to the protagonists.

[ October 19, 2002, 00:30: Message edited by: C'Jakob ]

I am halfway through the book now and I'm loving it, there are some interesting development in it.

Oh and to reply the last post, you were right about the drow although there are only three examples. But you can't be serious about a demon although it might be interesting --> a demon paladin :rolleyes:

Oh and to your last statement, you should really read this book: DOUBTS AND FLAWS ALL OVER THE PLACE

I won't spoil it but it is the truth

To all drizzt haters out there one last thing!

Salvatore can't kill drizzt off, it would be like killing gandalf or james bond or john mcclane.
If drizzt was killed you would kill the northern part of Faerun.

[ October 29, 2002, 09:34: Message edited by: Apeman ]

Hey, just because I criticize Salvatore doesn't mean I won't look at it. It does sound pretty interesting, like some of his other books.

I'm sorry if I defended him to strong but he just is my favourite auther. You really should look at this one, I'm almost finished now and it's not then ending you expect, I think

BTW you read the Demon wars saga?

I do like Salvatore's older FR works, just not his latest ones. As for good drow, there are quite a few of them, its a shame most of them end up with a dagger in their chest. Have you never heard of Eilistraee, the godess of the good drow. And I also hear that moonelves are descendants of good drow changed by Eilistraee.

Did not know that, does a book cover that or something else, if it is a book I would love to read it (Drow are cool good and evil)

If this thread gets any longer, it will be more time consuning than the book!

Makes me want to go read it, just so I have something more productive to say here!

Well, I haven't actually read the book that covers it but I think its called Tangled Webs. Also, the internet is a brilliant place for information such as that.

I have the first one of the books, it's called "daughter of the drow"

Loved that book although it's been a while since I read it so I can't remember all of it.

I think I'm gonna order the sequel "tangled webs" one of these days, I never came around to order it before.

Now hold on a moment, from what I understand Drizzt was one of Bob's AD&D chara. and alot of the books on the sreies were based on games he and his friends played (after all.... Elminster and the Forgoten Realms got their start the same way thanks to Ed Greenwood) I myself have a chara around 20th lvl. ( been a while sice I pulled him out a looked him over) a Minotore Gladeator named Tokor. True he's the big dumb strong man of the group but fun to play with... the point is, he has been through as much as Drizzt, the whole groupe has and no body has been killed yet.....something to think about

Dark Elf Trilogy is so good that it can compete with all of the best books I've ever read. Icewind Dale I don't like because it has too much conflicts with DET (especially the first part of IWDT). And the rest are just mindless whacking. What happened to Wulfgar didn't shock me one bit, even though I like the character. That pretty much told me on the "feelings" -level how much I cared for Salvatore's later Drizzt novels.

The writer doesn't suck, but the setting of the latter Drizzt books does. Dark Elf Trilogy was a 3-part masterpiece where every single one of the books proved that he knew what he was doing. Only he usually does not write in a style that I would care to read. Besides, there's only so much stuff you can write about the same drow before the drow has to be dumped.