In the De'Arnise keep there is Glacius with the flail head of acid (yes?)

It says he is dominating and that you can counter charm him.

after casting charm/domination on him he turns blue for a split second, I try talking to him and it puts up 'Glacius appears busy' and this only works the FIRST time you do it so you have to keep reloading

does this only happen to me? is it a bug? or just bloody annoying?

You're right!

There is something strange with the scripts, Glaicas should one second after you charm him become neutral and start talking to you - automatically!

So, it's not you who should start the talk, you should wait for him to start it himself. One thing though, if you're invisible, then no talk!

If you still can't get him talking, do please zip your saved game with the encounter and mail it to me.

This is definetly odd, after all this time this is the first time I've even heard that Glaicas actually can be dealt without fight. Where did you find that info/tip anyway?

[This message has been edited by Extremist (edited April 28, 2002).]

It is in the official walkthrough it says:

"The secret is Glacius has been charmed, so your best bet is to counter-charm him with a domination spell. As soon as it is cast click the talk icon and speak to him quickly to make him come to his senses."

No, it won't work that way. It's made that he starts the talk.

Now go check it up if it works. Don't force the talk unless he doesn't speak nothing for 5 or more seconds!

Remember, the valid spell to cast on him is not only Domination but also a Charm.

Tried it, failed it, damn

he turns blue for one second then turns green again! I had tried before on a different character but *someone* decided to kill him so I don't know if it just my one game or not

Do you have ToB installed? If you do, make sure you install the official patch which corrects "appears busy" problems in general.
http://www.sorcerers.net/Games/BG2/index_misc.htm

Edit; Just read your response Extremist. Never heard of Glacius charm? You are kidding, right? The tip/trick is here on SP forum in several posts... It has never "bugged" for me to charm him. no split second precision needed or what the Walkthrough says.

[This message has been edited by ArchAngel (edited April 28, 2002).]

I have got that patch though!

I got it the same day I got the game

:(

What now?

I'm not kidding. I've never seen a post about it. I really always thought he must be killed so I've always killed him.

Well, you never know what you may learn new... ;)

What "what now"? Zip the game and mail it already!

[This message has been edited by Extremist (edited April 28, 2002).]

Try and reinstalled the patch... Anyway you peaked my curiousity now. In a game, not bugged, there is plenty of time to cast charm. (try charm person and not domination) and he'll come around just fine and talk himself. No save or anything.

Right, I reckon I've just about tried everything now, waiting, talking, fake talking, wacking the screen, attacking, dispelling magic, holding him, letting him kill my whole party

none worked, especially that last one, and could the message Galcius appears busy refere to him wanting to kill me?

I may have a problem sending the game, my game is on a different computer, my laptop, and I can't burn CDs or link it to this computer, I could try a floppy but this system seems to chew them up so to speak

[This message has been edited by 8people (edited April 28, 2002).]

have you tried the ring of human influence..?

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[This message has been edited by B20 (edited April 28, 2002).]

Yes, but, alas, to no result other than me hitting my head against the door when I forgot to open it because I am getting ANNOYED with it, and my character is supposed to be a pacififst:confused:

I've received the saved game.

8people is totally right - the script is screwed and the damn game fails in two things:

1. It doesn't change Glaicas to NEUTRAL so you can't talk to him when charm/domination expires.

2. Dispel Magic from the script used on Glaicas FAILS (I've tried to load the game more than 5 times, it always failed)! So Glaicas never wanted to talk because he was still in dominated state which couldn't be dispelled, and after it expired, due to cause #1, Glaicas was returned to enemy state instead of into neutral.

I've reedited the script with Dispel Magic version that will bypass any protection Glaicas probably uses to dispose of ordinary Dispel Magic and mailed the file to 8people.
I haven't changed the erroneus command that is supposed to turn Glaicas to neutral though. It's not needed to be changed.
And it will be included in SPfixpack definetly.


[This message has been edited by Extremist (edited April 29, 2002).]

EXTREMIST!

I put the patch-thing into the override folder and now something has gone terribly wrong, I don't know wether it was the thing you sent or something else but the right side of my keyboard isn't working anymore

This isn't the keyboard i'm using at the moment either, my game is on my laptop, and as far as I know it is just the keys
8,9,0,-,=,i,o,p,u,j,k,l and m.

I don't know what the hell is going on, and my mother is gonna FREAK if she finds out

Calm down. That has nothing to do with that file I've sent you.

Restart the machine and see if the keyboard is working then.

Sorry

It works now

I was just worried about what my mother would say, her nickname is Jaheira - she nags like hell and is likely to blow.

I panik easily :p

Sorry

Right, right, what's bothering me more is if that edited script works for you?

Man, test it, post it - I'm of unpatient nature ;)

What spells have you tried besides domination, and charm. Have you tried Dire Charm, or if you have the cheat keys enabled, put your pointer over him and press (Ctrl + R) its a long shot but it might work... Tell me what happens...:rolling:

Before I had TOB installed I used the ring of human influence to charm Glaicus, then dispelled magic which made him neutral blue. Glaicus has high saving throws so it did involve a number of reloads, but the ring works far better than a domination spell, charm or dire charm. Two or three characters generally had dispel magic on them so one of them was likely to work.

The xp for making Glaicus neutral is much better than for killing him(I think it's 22,500). When neutral I found he tended to initiate talk, give the flail head then walk off and disappear. It is just possible to kill him for his stuff before he does that (and worthwhile for the equipment and xp).

With TOB installed it works just the same.

That is not true.

Charm from that ring and Level 1 (cleric and mage) Charm Person provides bonus +3 to creature's saving throw.

Dire Charm does not provide any saving throw bonus or penalty.

Domination (no matter if it's wizard's or priest's) affects the creature with penalty -2 to saving throw.

All saves are vs. spells. Also, all of these spells test person's magical resistance and will fail if it's high.

Conclusion: Domination works best.


And as I've said, the game script is bugged and dispel magic that is contained within the script doesn't work. Anyone who downloads next version of SPfixpack won't have dispel magic problem any more, because I've replaced the original one that fails with one that NEVER fails.

And I'm not sure how did you manage to get Glaicas neutral after the dispel. Glaicas' script actually rejects this command from area script if it is performed while Glacias' script is running:
ChangeEnemyAlly("kpglai01",NEUTRAL)

The correct command which would always work should be set as:
ActionOverride("kpglai01",ChangeEnemyAlly(Myself,NEUTRAL))

However this command is actually totally obsolete - if dispel works as it should, Glaicas turns on neutral while talking to you.

Anyway, that's so called Bioware Quality Assurance.

The patch works! Thanks!

I logged off before I had a chance to reply, something about homework being important, Parents have strange ideas on priority

Thanx

Why do I have have a tendency to repeat?

Hum...
When I first played BG2 I had a big problem with that guy. So I quitted playing BG2, but then I started again. That time when I met him I put a charmspell on him and killed him.

Can you actually get the piece without killing him?
I didn't know.
When I came into the room he started to scream at me, he got pretty mad and attacked me
So I put a charm spell on him and killed him. If I let the time of the spell pass and he came back he continued to attack me.
I never had the chance to talk to him except in the beginning.

If you can't get him to turn neutral you have to kill him, and IIRC you can only complete the De'Arnise quest through dealing with him somehow. You can't get the red flail head without dealing with him, and no xp for only creating half the flail of ages (with the other two heads).

Extremist says the saving throws favour domination. This may be so, but in my games I've found the most successful combination is:
charm via ring of human influence
dispel magic
Glaicus turns blue/neutral
You initiate talk (giving time to rest and memorise spells if need be)
He gives you the flail head and some spiel (and key to the keep, I think)
You can let him go or :shame: kill him for the xp and loot including full plate

Domination didn't work for me, as in earlier games I'm sure dispel magic made him hostile again.

The amount of reloading in my first games certainly did suggest this bit was bugged.

Anyway someone put me right if dealing with Glaicus somehow is not mission critical. The neutral option is much better for the xp.

Wait, wait! You obviously don't get me. I do believe you and also all of them.

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The problematic original script does this:

1. Is Glaicas Chramed/Dominated? If yes, continue on 2. otherwise check this again.

2. Glaicas is charmed! Cast DispelMagic on him, wait one second and then procede.

3. One second passed! Turn Glaicas to neutral and force him to start dialog.
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And the point 3. is problematic at two spots.

Up there I've posted what command Bioware's "Quality Assurance" used to turn him neutral - that command doesn't work! But it is not important if it actually works or not, Glaicas will start the dialog no matter his allegiance, just what matters is that he mustn't be charmed/dominated any more. OK?

If he started to talk, he would turn to neutral inside the dialog - but NOT before. The correct command to definetly turn him to neutral BEFORE the dialog is also posted in my previous post, but as I've said, it's totally obsolete (like in most original scripts, this one also have a redudant trash command - Bioware never "cleaned/optimized" the game).

What I call the critical omission here, is the dispel magic command. Bioware used dispel magic that behaves if it was casted by a mage of LEVEL 0. Yes you read this right.
What happens? Inscript dispel magic fails = Glaicas don't start talking! :mad:
Why did they used that ordinary dispel magic instead of forced dispel magic that always works, I wouldn't know. That's a question for Bioware, right?

But, how did you got the process right? After number of reloads you've managed to dispel magic at that very moment of 1 second pause in the script what made possible that Glacias actually gets charm effect removed = he talks!

But if that (endless reload) is Quality Assurance, then I'm not familiar with the word "assurance".

Yo, guys and gals. :cool:

Glacius is terribly annoying, yes, and I've had problems with him whenever I've tried to go up against him. Killing him is no fun for Nalia, and saving him gives you a nice amount of EXP and makes you feel all tingly inside for having save a man's soul and all that. :D

I found a way that almost always works to free Glacias, even in his bugged state... though it tends to be irritating sometimes and sometimes requires the use of CLUAConsole and EnableCheatKeys... and with Extremist is fixing it for us(Thank you, god!), you don't need to bother. I suggest /NOT/ using CLUAConsole unless you are seriously, seriously frustrated, however... because this takes all the fun out of it.

First thing you need is your Protagonist... matters not what he/she/it is, just as long as they can survive against Glacius for more then five seconds. Low AC and High HP is a must... easy if you are playing through the Keep to gain it as a Warrior... might prove difficult unless you Stoneskin and use Protections if you are a mage.

The second thing you need is Nalia herself, who serves as the Mage needed to cast the spells to free Glacias. If your Protaganist is a Mage, you still need her however to respond to the dialog with Glacias when he sees you. The third thing is buying a good few Hold Person and Charm Person scrolls... and maybe a few Dispel Magics. Up to you, but having Nalia memorize these can interfere with the rest of the keep if you are just entering it with all the spells you need and never rest like I do(Silly me, thinking you need to take Dungeons all in one go. :shame: ToB learned me.)

The strategy is this. Take the other four members of your party elsewhere on the second level of the keep... in the secret passage to Glacias' room is a good idea, and take only the protagonist and Nalia forward. Now, Entering Glacias' room is the main trouble. First you need to unlock and detrap the door, easy enough with a good thief, though Nalia /may/ suffice with her tiny skills. Then entering the room is where I first have trouble... because Nalia and the Protaganist need to be both in the room when Glacias sees you. Position them side by side with the Protagonist 'above' Nalia(closer to the top of the screen). Pause the game. Send in the Protagonist to move in and up towards Glacias, next to the table so he/she/it is seen and spoken to. This is important, because if you let Glacias 'see' Nalia... then Nalia won't respond with her Dialog. Send Nalia in to a lower position to keep her away from Glacias and still see him. If you are lucky, they will do it correctly and you'll get threatened by Glacias and then Nalia will remark that he must be Charmed and that /YOU/ have to save him! This can be frustrating... and I'm not sure how 'key' it is... but it makes us perfectionistic completists feel good. Use Cntl-J if you mess up enough to pull your hair out.

Then, having the Protagonist sit there and take Glacias' attacks like a lump, Nalia needs to use the scrolls to first Hold Person Glacias. This will make sure he doesn't hurt your protagonist too badly and keep him still for the next events. Then, when Glacias is held, have Nalia charm him. Try to pause just as the effects take hold, when he goes blue... doesn't matter really, but judicious pausing seems to make the trick work better. Then, if Glacias doesn't respond... have Nalia cast Dispel Magic on him to remove both the Hold and the Charm... and hopefully, hopefully... Glacias will wake up and speak to your Protagonist and be saved! ...if not, this can be another sticky point where you can always try to Hold him, Charm him, and Dispel again because he may turn Hostile again.

This has worked the few times I've tried it, but sometimes when it fails, you may need to pause the game after Holding and Charming Glacias... and if all this fails, you just hit CNTL-R over him to 'heal' him while the game is paused. Do this only as a last resort, and it only sometimes works.

It is a big chance on however you want to try it, but that is how to free Glacias right now without any fixes. Hopefully our wonderful Extremist will be able to fix all this and make my little trick no longer useful.

I also reiterate: :nono: Don't try the CLUAConsole Cheat Keys unless, like I was, you are terribly, terribly frustrated with the whole affair. Extremist will take care of it for us, at least.

Thanks much, Extremist! :D

Good luck dealing with Glacias!

[This message has been edited by NegaDruid (edited May 02, 2002).]

Hmmm, it may sound lame, but it would be perhaps possible with resistance lowering spells too.

I won't test it actually, there is no need for that now that I've dealt it with the script.

Anyway, I've mailed it to you so you may see if it's of any worth... ;)

I thought it was just me. :p I just killed him. Oh well, I still got the flail head.

lol Negadruid - that method looks like 3 hours gaming well spent ;)

Anyhow, I could try that for variation. It's true sometimes Nalia comes up with that 'Glaicus has been charmed' speech. For me it didn't matter who cast charm or domination and who dispelled.

Just a note... On this part...

This is what I done without a patch or cheat code.

I first equiped my Leader with the ring of human influence.

Then I removed my A.I. so that I can control my two Characters

Then I Entered the room with my leader and Nalia.

Glacius talked.

My leader used the ring on Glacius. I then move my leader near Glacius and waiting until the spell wears off.

When I saw Clacius turn blue, I pause the game (just to make sure) used my leader and click on the two head to speak to Glacius.

Bingo! I got 22500 Exp. and an object. Flail Head (Acid)

Usually I just kill him since I often have problem getting a Charm Person to turn him neutral.

Earl, I know you have problems, it's bug, it's fixed inside SPfixpack, you just download it, install it...

Wait a minute! But you have ToB! Well, then suffer! :evil: :p
SPfixpack is not ToB compatible, bwhahahaha!
/me gloats

Extremist, I have ToB as well. Could you email me the fix you sent to 8people, or at least tell me which file I need to edit? This Glacias thing is driving me crazy!

Thanks
Phil

If you have ToB you have no place posting in this SoA forum. Read the forum rules before you post. PM or mail Extremist if you have something to ask.

Hmmm, sorry 'bout that...

Phil

PS- Clicking on Extremist's PM button gives me an Internal Server Error. :confused:

[Hmm... It shouldn't do that now, even if you're not logged in... Try using the PM from the front page of the boards.] -Tal

[This message has been edited by Taluntain (edited June 23, 2002).]

You don't need to bother with PM if it's not working. Mail me your request for the file and I'll mail it back. Although SPfixpack is not ToB compatible yet, that particular script is.
I'd mail it right away, but you've disabled mail addy displaying, so I simply can't.

...
[Do not make posts such as this in the future, we prefer every post to have some content rather than just punctuation - BTA]

[This message has been edited by Blackthorne TA (edited June 24, 2002).]

Ok, pardon me for asking a dumb question here; but i've never played with a Fighter. :) Not even Kensai :D

Yeah so, um... Who exactly is Glacius? Is the the guy who attacks you on the Second level of the D'Arnise Keep? I never knew he was charmed!! What made you figure that out?!
And what does he do/give you? If you kill him you get the Flail Head i know... but if you 'un-charm' him?

Gopher, yes, that is who Glacius is.

And iirc there is a entry in your journal that mentions that he is charmed.

:eek: I never knew that you could do that! (charm him back to normal)....
What happens when you do?(yes, I know he talks to you, but specifics)

Sorry, I know this topic's old, but i just tried to uncharm him for the first time, and was wondering: How do you get the third flail?

Cold, Acid, or fire?

Acid -Glacius
Fire - room behind the forge
Cold - Golem room

(Might be a bit mixed up, but that is just me.:))

acid
usually you get it from his body, but this time i didnt kill him, i uncharmed him. and he didnt give it to me

The only possibility when that would happen would be if you've already killed TorGal (troll leader in the basement) before you've talked to Glaicas. So, in that case, don't uncharm but kill Glaicas.

That's not a bug, but decision from David Gaider (BG2 lead designer).

[This message has been edited by Extremist (edited July 25, 2002).]

thanks Extremist