OK, here is the promised flip side of the coin for comparison purposes. I noticed that a lot of Americans added to the good things post, so I am wondering how many will post here. Remember not stupidities and in a few days I'll make the lists and post them for comparison.

*A lot pollution
*American attitudes
*Too many thick people with their finger on the button
*Talk shows that are only good to watch when you're depressed so you can see that at least you're not as stupid as those people.
*An arms race
*

Vermillion, can you define an "American attitude"? I think insensitivity, selfishness and arrogance are universal human failings, not nation-specific.

Anyway, to answer your question:
* Tobacco
* Political Action Committees
* Enron, WorldCom, Global Crossing, Arthur Andersen, et al...
* Martha Stewart
* Barney

* too much pollution.
* too many fat people.

rallymama, I'm sure that Vermillion has his own ideas as to how to answer your question, but I would say that historically, the citizens of the most powerful country in the world have tended to believe, and act as if, their country's military and economic power conferred superiority on them as individuals. France hasn't been the most powerful country in the world for centuries and the French still act that way toward foreigners- which explains part of the animosity most Americans seem to feel for the French. So I would say, while arrogance and insensitivity are indeed universal human failings, tying those characteristics to one's national flag and calling them "pride" or "patriotism" instead of recognising them as character flaws are what many people seem to mean when they refer to the "American attitude". Although it goes nearly as much for the French attitude, and it certainly applied to the British during their colonial heydey too.

Edit: PS: I love Martha Stewart! Guess I'm not your cross-border twin after all. :(

[ December 10, 2002, 16:25: Message edited by: Sprite ]

Vermillion - I thought this was supposed to be BAD things. The things on your list all look like good things to me ;)

[ December 10, 2002, 16:48: Message edited by: Blackthorne TA ]

I think see what you mean, Sprite. So what we call "American attitude" today might have been known in the past as Roman, or Crusader, or British Empire, or Nazi. It feels to me like we're coming at the same point from two different sides. :) And as you say, this could be completely different from what Vermillion has in mind.

Anyway, Martha has great ideas, but her presentation turns me off. Did you see the political cartoons of her in jail?! What a scream! Oh well, innocent until proven guilty, and all that rot...

-Too many seriously over-weight people.
-They've turned a complete idiot into the most powerful man in the world.
-They're the most pollutant and energy inefficient nation in the whole world.
-Too many Americans ignore the rest of the world.
-They ruined the English language (I mean MOM! IT's MUM! ;) ).
-Far too patriotic for their own good.
-Refuse to sign any agreement to reduce pollution.
-Want war at any cost.

But i'll stand by my desision, the good points far outway the bad.

[ December 10, 2002, 17:19: Message edited by: Z-Layrex ]

-existance
-imperalism(ok it existed before but they have made it huge)
-armed kids

i have more but i am pretty tired...

a suing culture, whereby people are quick to pursue others' mistakes for financial gain rather than request an apology.

(this is something that particularly vexes me because it has filtered over to the UK in the last couple of years. some britons are hypocrites who are happy to tutt-tutt the american word 'sue' but are fine with watching numerous tv adverts offering re-branded 'compensation claims'.)

I'm not sure, but i think the only thing this thread leads to, is flaming.

Yes, the US mindset of litigation as an exemption from personal responsibility does pretty well... stink out loud, doesn't it? Then again, that whole lack of personal responsibility thread ties nicely into another hot topic on the board...

While I'll try not to flame, I have to take exception to America as being the source of armed children. The cases of weapons in schools is a minute fraction of overall school attendance; unfortunately, these cases get all the press when something (either the student or the school/parents/teachers...) gets out of hand. No, I think the problem of children carrying weapons is far more insidious in Africa and the Middle East and maybe Central America where basic training for the army begins at age 5!

Someone might say that everything in America is big, and another would add: "including stupidity."

- Bushes.
- Loads of meat named "Spam."
- Cigarettes...
- ...and the wrong way to use them.

[ December 10, 2002, 20:00: Message edited by: Virne ]

Britney Spears
The Backstreet Boys
N'SYNC
Jerry Springer
Moby Dick

A pompous attitude towards the world, which will inevitably result in a bunch of people bashing America in this thread.

Not to mention Enron.

Nuclear Weapons
Extreme kapitalisation of *everything*
Microsoft
Reintroduction of fundamental religous doctrine in a democratic society.

But as the most powerful and most influential country on earth almost all things come from the US, be it good or bad.

barbie

- Full freedom of speech
- Pledge of Allegiance (no, not the concert, the brainwash tactic)
- Pure capitalism
- Reintroduction of Fundamentalism, yeah the muslim fundamentalism is a threath to worldpeace yetta, yetta, blahblah, but everything the bible says is true :rolleyes:
- legal corruption (lobbying)
- weapons, weapons, weapons, any less restrictions and Americans can shoot homeless people for staring at their house, and own nukes in case of burglars
D "Whatareyodoinginmyhouse???"
S "errrr, dad? I live here!"
D *pushes red button

[ December 10, 2002, 23:26: Message edited by: Morgoth ]

Squirty Cheese
Shralp
Bad Sitcoms
Coffee Culture
Sue-your-ass Attitudes
McDonald's
Dr Kavorkian
The corruption of the word "ass"

Why does everyone keep mentioning nucleair weapons as an American invention ? Hasn't anybody ever heard of Werner Von Braun ? Or Albert Einstein ? As far as i can remember they were NOT from the US.

Pac Man: Because people are stupid, and need someone to blame.

My thoughts: If you don't like the place that you're living in, then move and never speak of it again. If you don't like a place you don't live in, then SHUT THE HELL UP!!! Don't rag on a place you don't live. I know Los Angles has a lot of polution, but I'd like to see what England looks like when there isn't a breeze to blow it all away. If you don't like my country, then why don't you try and do something about it instead of just complaining. Basicly, what I'm trying to say is: I'd like to see you do better. :rolling:

[EDIT] I also find it funny that there aren't any "Bad Things That England Has Given The World" threads.

[ December 11, 2002, 00:52: Message edited by: Kitrax ]

Judging from the past comments, I have taken it upon myself to construct some random statements that symbolize the *ahem* educated sentiments and viewpoints of some of the above posters...if they were asked to imitate America. Here we go: “America will attain Global Power! This is how WE (hallelujah!) will DO IT (Moving on up, to the East Side!): drink beer, punch each other in the gut and oink pugnaciously as we recline into our butt-molded Lay-Z-Boys. Then we'll go out and carry our AK-47s blatantly clasped around our waist belts while saluting the flag upon every time we see it and then singing the National Anthem as well. And, as a SMALL side note: make sure to nuke everything EXCEPT Australia. Don’t want to hurt no kangaroo! *Froth at the mouth and appear very pale-skinned*”

Just joking! I feel the same way about my country as most outsiders do about it. In fact, the US has a brand new equation:

- More Blood = More Oil.

Also, one more thing: Kitrax...just because others don't have the water hose doesn't mean that they can't cry "FIRE” when they see a part of America crashing and burning.

[ December 11, 2002, 01:30: Message edited by: William Smit IV ]

Those god awful Chia-Pet (sp?) things...where you sprinkle seeds inside of a variety of shapes and little growths emerge out of the holes. It started with animal shapes I think, but now they even have heads!....with that stuff growing as hair!!!...like I'd want to have a head sitting on my kitchen counter??? :shake:

Brittney Spears
ebonics
College Girls go Wild
Patton
The Ring

David Koresh
Amway
velcro
Cheez Whiz
electric can-openers (can you be more lazy?)

The Slaughtering of the rain forrest ( america right? ;) )

Pac-Man, because the first nuke was designed and built in America. The scientists involved might not have been Americans, but then, everyone here is an immigrant. Point is, yes, people from other nations built the nuke, but they built it IN the USA, so...

Oh, yes, bad things:
the Christian Coalition
Focus on the Family
KKK
Jesse Helms
Strom Thurmond

What i mean is, the germans were already building one. The whole thing is designed in Germany. That they couldn't finish it is only our and your luck.

As for attitute: Someone who in school, volunteeringly or forced, sings the national anthem every morning just *HAS* to take some damage :evil: . One *american attitude* thing I found pretty amusing and a little scary at the same time was a sense of mission, like "We are from the land of the free and the brave, make place!" :shake:

Not everything that's good for the US is the as good for the ROW (*Rest Of the World* - a nicely illustrating term I repeatedly found on US webpages). The american way of doing thing is not necessarily the right one - or the only one. One thing to keep in mind when someone disagrees on US policy.

[ December 11, 2002, 12:00: Message edited by: Ragusa ]

as regards nuclear weapons, the theory was laid by einstien (german), the 1st devices were designed mostly by english scientists but built and paid for by the US

Blackthorne, you couldn't have sounded more American ;) :p .

On a serious note though, please no flaming, America DIDN'T invent nukes as it wasn't an American who invented them, and play nice, this is meant to be an excercise in comparison, not 'my countries better than yours, I'll tell my mummy if you say different'. (although why can I see big ol' Jowaj Dub-u-yaa saying something like that).
Oh and btw, Sharlp is the one of the few people on this board who can argue properly, putting a case forward, providing evedence and so on, with out flaming! So when I make the list he can go on the good things side :) . Where is he btw, he was always good to talk to in posts.

Oh, it's taken about a week for the good things post to reach 54 posts, but only over night for this one to reach half of that? Is that a sign of things to come? stay tuned :p :p

[ December 11, 2002, 12:12: Message edited by: Vermillion ]

Oh yes, before anyone puts it in the *good things* thread - the automatic transmission for cars originally was iirc a Porsche design. It was (of course) designed for tanks and part of the generous compensation (patents mainly) germany had to pay to the US for the excessive damage they caused in northern america. Countries that suffered more got much less.

I agree, nuke everything EXCEPT Australia :)

Here's my list
1. Boy Bands
2. Comedy movies just like every other comedy movie ever filmed
3. The idiot that is declaring war for no apparent reason
4. Mass arrogence
5. world debt crisis
6. masses of fat/ Mcdonalds

The "World debt crisis" is NOT an American production! Only a true conspiracy theorist can believe that the US has control - overt or clandestine - over the monetary policy and consumer habits in Germany, Japan, Argentina, Russia...

For good or for ill, the world economy is a very tangled web. What happens in one place has effects everywhere else, too. Is this an American export or simply the price of doing business in the current global marketplace?

Bush and Britney Spears.

Let's add Trent Lott.

economical imperialism.

A single global culture with a few variations from country to country.

It should be kept in mind, however, that American culture is merely a changed form of English, Irish, German, Mexican, Native American, Chinese, and Japanese cultures.

[ December 12, 2002, 00:38: Message edited by: Tiana ]

I gotta go with the George Dubya talking doll. That takes the cake. And people wonder why I'm saving cash to more over seas. You can read more about it here if you wish to do so:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2560489.stm

I also find it funny that there aren't any "Bad Things That England Has Given The World" threads.It's Britain. England, Scotland, Wales and N.Ireland are all the same nation. And of course there are bad things BRITAIN has given the world. We were just as bad as America couple of centurys ago. But our Empire fell, and the same thing will happen to the US. (Around 2030 when China becomes the world's wealthiest nation.)

Erm, will that happen around St. Juttemis??

But those darn Chinese need to get through Holland first, since were no 1 on the list....

and still I hear children crying, wailing, etc since they didn´t get a XboX, then I just think: shut the **** up :mad: ...

erm, getting slightly :yot: , sorry

Just a little FYI:

The North American continent is the only land mass that has less of the greenhouse gas CO2 in the air moving off of it than in the air moving onto it. This is due to the huge forests which we still have over here while you Euros have wiped out 'em out on your continent.

Now back to your regularly scheduled America-bashing, already in progress.

Hmmmm. maybe because of the fact that Europe is being "heavily" exploited for 2500 years, and that is happening in the states for 450 years??
Before that, the indians killed a bull once in a while :rolleyes:

@shralp - we have been in europe a little more time but if the americans would have been given the same timeframe then bye bye enviroment...

@ejsmith - what did you mean with "ebonics"

They have give us great cars, movies,food tastes, wapons, space tecknology, freedom, safe for any wars in europe anayway and good beer hehe!

JC Denton, theres a good things from america post,m please put that in there.
Shralp, that may be true, but America isn't willing to sign agreements to actually reduce the amount of pollution being pumped into the atmosphere. That is where the pollution statement comes from.

Now we see why I put Shralp in the good things from America post ;) . You did see that didn't you? :D

-The ability to blame someone else for your own stupidity.
-Public Education
-A target for terrorists
-Commercialized Holidays
-Madonna

Ivanji, son of Loki,

People lived in North America before the Europeans arrived. I descend from them. They managed to live here for thousands of years without destroying the place. So your argument is weak.
I still agree that America produces to much pollution. I also believe that every industrialized nation in the world produces too much pollution.

[ December 13, 2002, 16:48: Message edited by: Jack Funk ]

Texans- Living proof that southern immigrants had sex with Buffalos. J/K ;)

(Post edited because SOME people can't take a joke)

[ December 13, 2002, 19:58: Message edited by: Z-Layrex ]

I hope your kidding. But even in jest that 'Red Indian' comment was uncalled for. Only half of me is offended though, seeing I'm only a half-breed. The White half of me almost found that funny.

People lived in North America before the Europeans arrived. I descend from them. They managed to live here for thousands of years without destroying the place.Damn Mr. Funk, you took the words right off my finger tips. It sure didn't take long for the Europeans to damn near lay waste to North America though. People need to think about who built the USA and wrote it's Constitution before they bash American values, it's Government, etc. Next time someone wants to rip into the States, take some time to research your family tree, you may find that you are distantly related to one or more of the Thieves that took this land for their own and helped build the USA. Heck you may even learn something about Pre-America in the process.

Ivanji, son of Loki, Ebonics is basicaly slang. Don't know much on the subject, but I do know that some people were trying to pass it off as a ligit language. I'm not sure if that ever happened though. Do a search on ebonics using Google. I did and found quite a few sites with info and definitions. Won't link them here though due to some very unsavory content.

[ December 13, 2002, 18:37: Message edited by: Thorongil ]

Didn't you see the J/K? Of course I was kidding, it was just a joke i'd heard.

[ December 13, 2002, 18:47: Message edited by: Z-Layrex ]

Sure did. That was the reason for my opening statement. Anyway the feeling of being offened has passed, as it usually does. I tend not to let ignorance bother me for too long. I was just pointing out that your comment is racist, whether it was a joke or not. I'm sure if a comment such as that was made about another race, one of the mods would have stepped in.

I didn't think it'd actually offend. Fine i'll change the race. Now it'll be big bad white man. :p

[ December 13, 2002, 19:59: Message edited by: Z-Layrex ]

Bad things America has given the world...This thread, since we invented the Internet. :rolleyes:

Internet evolved from DARPA dummy :p

well, ok that was American, but Dutchies made the Hard Disk, CD and DVD possible, HAH!!

Internet, invented by an Englishman, a student actually :) . Was just developed and then put into use by the US military. Will post the evedence when I sort through all the crap I have knocking around on my HDD. Another bad thing America has given us, a flase history. Usually through Hollywood. If you need examples look at Braveheart, and also the film where "America" gets their hands on the code in a nazi submarine. Wasn't the Yanks as far as I know, it was belgians.

Decent Americans do not claim Hollywood as a part of the US. ;) As a matter of fact, I guess another of the bad things we have give the world is the Socialist Republic of California.

LOL Good one Dark Wolf. :D

Vermillion - If the code from the naval subs is the WW2 enigma then it wasn't belgians, and certainly not the yanks. Enigma was cracked in england and the first replicas were given to use by the poles. Some codebooks were captured by the allied navies (mostly britian, a few french perhaps, not american. did belgium have a navy at this time? if so then perhaps but i doubt it).

It was cracked by the English yep, but it was Belgians who got it out of the sub on that mission IIRC.

Hasn't anybody ever heard of Werner Von Braun ? Or Albert Einstein ? As far as i can remember they were NOT from the US. I'm just going to point out the Einstein was a GOOD person. Not a bad person. And he had nothing to do with "nucleair" weapons.

As for Von Braun, which I get the vague impression is spelled wrong, I admit I don't know who he is.

As for more things?

They have no idea who anyone else is. There is a Canadian show called Talking to Americans
where this guy goes to American Cities and talks total nonsense to Americans, who really believe it.

Examples:

He convinced several businessmen and women that
at the age of 75, Canadians are ceremonially put on ice floes and sent out to sea to die.

He convinced them that Canada has its own fifth season, where it is constantly dark for three months of the year, and got them to suggest names. My favourite was "Canadark."

ejsmith, "The Ring" is in fact a translation of a Japanese movie titled "Ringu", so the US didn't give us that...

Regarding the Internet and television, inventors from other countries may have demonstrated the first instances of such communications but it was Americans who developed the technology that turned such academic demonstrations into practical applications. Ever hear of Philo T. Farnsworth, of Rigby, Idaho?

Dungeons and Dragons:The Movie

Vermillion, no one EVER claimed that U-571 and Braveheart were accurate histories. You seem to be unable to differentiate between popular entertainment and a textbook :)

@AMaster

The point I was trying to get across is that certain people are trying to present these versions as the truth, and more alarmingly certain people accepting them as the truth, after all, it is based on 'real life stories'.
And when a thick idiot tourist says 'gee, thats a nice monument you guys built to Mel' when referring to the Wallace Monument in Stirling I get irritated. Incidently, that was an American :rolleyes: .

@Rallymama
Next point, I have never oce denied that America developed others inventions into practical and commercial uses but what I have said is America cannot lay claim to it as thats all it done. Americans didn't invent it.

Next week, trhe summing up debate, I'll get to list writing then ;) . Something tells me this is going to rage though.

Small addition, thick Americans. No, it's not an all empassing thing, just the ones who are thick. :mad: :borg: :bang:

[ December 15, 2002, 20:50: Message edited by: Vermillion ]

As for Von Braun, which I get the vague impression is spelled wrong, I admit I don't know who he is. Werner von Braun was the german scientist, who was the head of the nazi V1 and V2 missile programme. After the war he went to USA and he worked for NASA.

As for bad things America has given the world? Zena and Hercules. I don't know if this realy happens, but I have the feeling that the average american child believes that this is the real greek mythology.

1. its Xena not zena and 2. its from australia or new zeeland not america

I have the impression that it is from america but nevermind.The important thing about these shows is not their origin but the effect they have on young people.

If you wanto bash misinterpretation and falsification of greek mythology there are better targets than the Hercules and Xena shows. Disney's Hercules make the tv-series appear like an univerity lecture on greek history and mythology in comparison. Poor Hades made into the bad guy in a story he had nothing to with really, atleast not as a bad guy...
And I think the tv-series are some kind of joint-production between several countries.

Ah, yeah, poor Hades is misinterpreted everywhere, actually he is the only good and wise god of the whole Greek Mythologie bunch, after all, he has to chose between "heaven" and "hell"

@vermillion

point taken

Minor comments:
Werner von Braun is the correct spelling and indeed, he was the head of the german missile program (V-2 only, the V-1 was a completely different story - not even a missile) and a high ranking SS officer. His association with the slave working in the V-2 missile plants didn't hinder the US to hire him since his expertise was outstanding.

The US were pretty generous here and then, so they even hired the japanese general Ishii, who was active in the japanese bioweapon program and tested his developments on US, british and other allied POWs. This cuties know-how was deemed indispensable as well so he exchanged his know-how for freedom of prosecution.
Maybe it's because this lack of stringency, that the Japan never had a war-criminal trial, that created the misperception in japan that the japanese did not start the war in the pacific. That would be a bad thing america has given to the world.

As for the enigma:
AFAIK the code was originally cracked and aquired by the polish, then, when poland was overrun, given to the french, and when france was overrun, given to the british who eventually shared it with the US.
As the americans failed to mention the british involvement (like the ingenious Alan Turing and his brainchild, Colossous) in their funny movie the british just as patriotically failed to mention the polish BS4 and his group of mathematicians who laid the foundment for their work - just like the french support that granted them access to the polish know-how. The polish developed the *bomb*, the decrypting aid that helped so much countering the enigma.

[ December 16, 2002, 09:48: Message edited by: Ragusa ]

That addition in the edit wasn't at the people i was talking to in the thread, i just had to add the edit there becuse no one had actually posted a reply after i did that one, so nope, not @ you AMaster, or @ Rallymama, was very annoyed at another thing that happened to involve an American who IMO was being very very thick indeed. Someone once said that tourism is a counties way of getting rid of it's thickest idiots for 2 weeks, now I know it to be true, by why send them to me?

Ever heard of the word ' Americanization'?
Some of the aspects of americanization are individualism, pressure at job/stress (must do anything for your boss), commercializing any possible event. Christmas, for example, is known of the huge amount of presents, wonderful meals, family and George Eikel (or more recently Mariah Carry). Birth of Jesus is about 6th on the list.
For the people who didn't know: Christ is born at Christmas about 2000 years ago. That's where the name comes from ;) :p

Something else: Windows-monopoly

[ December 16, 2002, 13:35: Message edited by: Master of Nuhn ]

Sorry, Vermillion, I wasn't reading the board much over the weekend - took my Mom to see Harry Potter instead. My toddler watched the whole thing, too!

I admire your restraint in not laughing the idiot with the "monument to Mel Gibson" comment right back into his dark hole. I doubt I could have been so kind, unless I was knocked senseless by his stupidity. :)

I do apologize if I came across as gruff. I simply wanted to raise the distinction between demonstrating something academically and putting it into practical use. Where should the line of "invention" be drawn? The patent office holds one opinion, although that may differ from what matters to "real" people.

Christ is born at Christmas about 2000 years ago Erm a few recent studies have pointed out that
1. Jesus was born in 7 BC, not in the year 0, like many people think, so its now 2009, confused??
2. The settlement Nazareth was first settled somewhere around the year 500
3. And (I´m not sure about this one, will search for the accuracy soon) that Maria wasn´t a maid, it was another of those many mistranslations somewhere between the Hebrew and Latin version of the New Testament

But, sorry ´m getting a little :yot: , again

An off topic answer on an off topic post:

1) That's exactly the reason why I said it's about 2000 years ago ;)

2)Pottery remains testify to a continuous settlement during the period 600-900 BC. Silos and oil presses show it's been an farmers village for a few millennia. :confused:

3)No clue. Have to admit that translation is not done very precisely allways. That's why our vicars must be able to understand Latin, Greek and Hebrew.

Back to topic:
Barbie and other dolls. Britney Spears, f/e

McDonalds. For the greasy food.

NP Rallymama, I was just sure that the debate about what the nationality of inventors was had been agreed upon in an unspoked decision. But I do confess the thicko got a very patronaising answer nand history lesson. Hey, who wouldn't have? ;)

The common calender started with Jesus' birth. It revolved around his birth. No matter what year he was born in, THAT year was labelled 0. One other thing. Heard somewhere, think it was TLC, that Jesus was actually born in April, but somewhere along the way, the Christmas celebration was moved to December. Now let's remain on topic. Grrr...

I admit it, I dislike the Americans, but only because in my opinion, they are trying to start WWIII.

Americans can be stupid... but so can every other nation. Why pick on just one? And there are alot of Americans on these boards who could be offended by this.

which is why this topic was created AFTER the "good things America has given the world" thread. See? no one has taken offense yet, since we have representation for both sides of the equation.

Ok,
1) it is my understanding, and has long been so, that Christmas has no real connection with the birth of Christ other than a matter of church mandate. The Church of Rome found it convenient to honor his birth during the winter solstice after a period of pagan festival of the Roman Empire known as Saturnalia. It would draw attention away from the festival of Mithras [A sun god], and juxtapose Christ with the notion of the coming of light. This is a limited understanding, and if i'm wrong, please correct me.

2) For some reason, California [Where I'm from] in particular gets a bad rap, even from other Americans. We have Hollywood, yes. Hollywood makes many sick perversions of the truth for the sake of entertainment. The difference between someone from California and someone from somewhere else: We have the brains to understand its purposefully exaggerated for entertainment. We do not [most of us] take it as truth. California has two of the largest information and industry hubs in the world in San Diego and San Francisco [Where I'm from, and where I am currently living, respectively]. We have Silicon Valley, the home of a technological paradise. Our high schools reflect poorly because of our numbers [which drag our rankings down] but our universities [UC Berkeley [Where I attend], LA, Santa Barbara, San Diego, Davis, etc.] each consistently rank among the top 10-20 public universities in the nation, with "Socialist" Berkeley ranking consistently at #1. We have gorgeous beaches and a far more relaxed attitude than what people have come to label as "The American Attitude."

If the US were to suddenly dump California, [About 1/8th of its population] I would stand proud. We have the best beaches, the nicest warm weather, the cutest girls, the best universities, the most laid-back attitude, and the industry and wealth to support ourselves. I think the rest of America is just jealous. Don't judge we Californians for the actions of Texans. We didn't vote him in.

An anti-Christmas, pro-California rant brought to you by:

Amon-Ra

amazing what you get when mixing the scum of the world and adventurers as a foundation of a new nation :D

One word: MacCulture. All aspects.

Fat people

@ Mortensen

I am pretty sure that fat people have been around much longer than the United States has...

Nahh :grin: Fat people were invented in America :lol: and anorexics

They have redefined the word "fat" :D

To mean HUUUMMMOOOONNNGGGGOOOOUUUUSSSSS lol

Edit: Oh yes and they also invented the 'I have scottish roots'...5 million years back

[ January 09, 2003, 11:46: Message edited by: Mortensen ]

You mean like black scottish americans from the McKaminski Clan?

I had the opportunity to watch an american couple searching their family roots in a tartan shop in Edinburgh. The clerks politely explained that they were sure that they, with this name (which I unfortunately forgot), were certainly not related with a couple of clans, however they couldn't tell anything definite about other clans. Eventually they ended up buying a kilt and tartan ties from one of the other clans that *could, perhaps, possibly* be related with them and victoriously left the battlefield :shake:

Almost as funny was an american tourist in a patisserie in paris: Very determined she eventually entered the shop, pointing at a small cake, showing three fingers, barking something like "Toute de suite, s´il vous plaît" with a frightened smile :lol: She was handed here cakes with an expression of mild yet polite pity. She payed and left hastily, securing the cakes from the ever mysterious primitives in the old world.

When I think closer, that was actually a good thing they gave to the world :D On a bad day you can easily feel better with them in the world.

[ January 09, 2003, 12:26: Message edited by: Ragusa ]