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Wed, 5th Feb '03, 8:56am
Is this a legitimate industry? Should it be legal to either view, sell or participate in? Is there anything wrong with it? Do you think porn exploits and demoralizes women?
[ February 05, 2003, 09:00: Message edited by: Elios ]
Wed, 5th Feb '03, 9:57am
An issue of people trying to compel others to live according to their own personal beliefs and preferences, IMO. The entire industry is a joke, in my opinion. But the fact that it flourishes tells that many feel there's a need for it. Viewed by those who are of sufficient age, I see nothing wrong with it. And if people are worried because of the possibility of underaged people possibly being able to see it, then there's hardly anything in this world we can do.
Fact is that some things are suited for older people, some for younger. Some have nothing to do with the physical age, but the mental instead. And some vice versa. We can't make the world such that anything an adult can see and do, should also be seen and done by children as well. And if women seem to be undermined in such products, how about the incredibly stupid-looking, desperate studs with the brains of a monkey and looks of a gorilla you see in them?
Not pointed to anyone in in sorcerer's in particular, so don't take it that way. But please, keep the US hypocrisy of praised violence and forbidden sex out of the rest of the world. Afterall, with the principle of "make love, not war", this planet would be a whole lot better place to live. Assuming people knew how to use prevention, and shielding themselves against the disease.
Wed, 5th Feb '03, 10:14am
Porn has in some ways the same problem as prostitution and my stance on that can be read the long prostitution topic.
But I dont see any problem with it as long as it is clean and done by consenting adults. That it is crazy is obvious and I do think the buisness should need a cleaning up.
Wed, 5th Feb '03, 2:48pm
The Porn industry needs more women in charge. Women who scriptwrite, who direct, who produce... so that it's not just a disorted image from the male perspective.
If there were more women involved in the top positions, I see nothing wrong with porn. It has to be made sure that it does not convey a twisted image of sexuality, for we all know that no matter the ratings, underage kids DO get their hands on porn, and to some, it is the ONLY model of sexuality they get.
There is this one woman here in Finland, Raakkel Liekki, who is famous for her involvement in the porn industry. She is not only a porn star, but also a scriptwriter, a director and a producer. She is also an artist, and has had her own tv show on SubTV, which was NOT porn per se, but rather concentrated on helping people to improve their sex life. I consider her to be worthy of respect and admiration. Heck, I do believe that I consider her to be a role model!
I have seen a few interviews of hers, and nothing I have seen thus far has even remotely hinted to any kind of exploiting or demoralization.
Porn industry needs more people like her.
(so what? I have a porn start as a role model. Deal with it.)
Wed, 5th Feb '03, 3:01pm
In an ideal world, people aren't forced into a career path that they don't want. If someone choose to go into porn, who am I to say they're wrong. As others have said clean up the industry to make it legit. As for keeping porn out of the hands on minors, that's part of being a parent.
Personally, I find most porn ridiculous and contrived. There's much more stimulation in a well-acted movie with real characters and a good plot that just might happen to have some steamy sex scenes than in one of those silly flesh-fests. Maybe Arabwel's reforms would bring some of that around.
Wed, 5th Feb '03, 5:59pm
It is what it is. If nobody is getting hurt or exploited then it is fine with me.
But please, keep the US hypocrisy of praised violence and forbidden sex out of the rest of the world.I don't know what this has to do with the topic, but I agree that American popular culture has it backwards in this respect.
Wed, 5th Feb '03, 6:25pm
There is something to be said on this topic, but it's not really appropriate for this board.
I'll say this. There needs to be some changes made.
The Deviant Mage
Wed, 5th Feb '03, 8:42pm
But please, keep the US hypocrisy of praised violence and forbidden sex out of the rest of the world.I don't know what this has to do with the topic, but I agree that American popular culture has it backwards in this respect. I blame the Puritans.
Thu, 6th Feb '03, 5:17am
I live in the porn capital of the US - The San Fernando Valley in the Northwest of Los Angeles. There was an article in the Sunday Magazene of the LA Times recently that touched on this topic. In California, this industry is essentially completely unregulated. While I am a foe of regulation, the people who work in this industry (and specifically hereto porn) have apparently not gotten the memo -- there is an epidemic of various forms of hepatitis, AIDS, "normal" (i.e., non-lethal) STD's, as well as a high correlation of drug use amongst the porn "stars". Would regulation of the industry fix this? I don't know. However, there are more protections in place for cockroaches used in a "regular" movie than humans in these movies and that strikes me as truly obscene more than the materials depicted in the movies. The article I mentioned compared the disease rate in the porn industry to that of the prostitution industry in the legalized brothels of the Nevada. Folks, it wasn't even close. The only part of the porn industry even close to "safe" is the gay porn industry, because they all use condoms.
Is it a "legitimate" business? Absolutely, most anything that does not involve coercing another should be legal and legitimate in my opinion. Does there need to be some education here? Even more absolutely. These people are playing some serious Russian roulette.
Fri, 7th Feb '03, 6:48am
There was a fascinating piece of investigative reporting done on this topic just a few weeks ago -- it was a major US network, sorry if it's been mentioned already.
What I took away from this report, though, was that if anyone tells you that the industry consists of mature, competant people making informed decisions and doing these movies consensually, THEY ARE LYING!
The actors, both men and women, are young, and exploited like nobody's business, the porn industry is sold to them as a stepping stone to regular entertainment (which it isn't), and the health risks are astounding -- and surprising, in some cases. Sure, the performers are rich, but (and I hate to sound too preachy, but there's no other way to say it) at the cost of their own souls. After seeing the report, I swore off porn for good. I refuse to support a business that screws its workers (no pun intended) so horribly.
Fri, 7th Feb '03, 8:13am
Deepara. that is what needs to be changed! No matter how many laws will ban pornography, there will always be some floating around... So it has to be made sure that the people aren't exploted or "screwed with". It is probably different here because I lve in Finland and there are rather sizeable differences between Canada and Finland, if not in the weather and woods then in size :)
I believe Raakkel Liekki once said that most of the people working in the prorn industry on the production/directing and other such jobs here in Finland are women, and I do believe her.
Porn industry is rotten, I can agree with that, with loads of exploitation. Not all can have it as good as the brightest of stars. But it should be made so that no porn actor should worry about diseases or being exploited or anything.... I may sound naive, but...*shrugs*
(weird, I know, I know)
Fri, 7th Feb '03, 11:05am
Ok, I have a question, and this goes more into mainstream movies and television as well. Why do we have to see two people having sex in a movie or on tv? I mean, does it really add anything to the plot? If you want to emphasize that two people are going to have sex, have them kiss, go into the bedroom and close the door. Next scene.
I admit that I have watched porn before. But it is so unrealistic to begin with. I mean I was watching one and these two woman walk into a room were the husband of one is on a bed, reading a book. The wife asks why he didn't mow the lawn. He said how he got into this book of poetry instead. Some how this sends the two woman onto eachother and the rest is history. I mean come on!
In college we would sit around someone's apartment and watch it for the humerous lines and stuff.
If someone wants to watch it in their own home, that's fine. But when children can have access to it or your neighbor has the volume turned up so loud the whole neighborhood can here it, that's when it becomes wrong. Yes, that did happen.
Fri, 7th Feb '03, 11:18am
I think anybody that's in the porn industry is their by their own choice. Personally I have no problem with it, except for the fact that 70% of the porn made is utterly pathetic.
And aside from that, having sex all day, day in day out day in day out(no pun intended, oh well a little ;) ) would get really boring if you ask me.
Fri, 7th Feb '03, 11:21am
I am not trying to be gross here, but wouldn't you start to get just a little sore too?
Fri, 7th Feb '03, 12:57pm
Keep porn out of the hands of minors?! Not a hope in hell. People just looking in their inbox to get porn or watch SBS.
nyone seen the movie 'The Killer Condom?' I heard it was, erm, interesting to say the least. And the fact that I was hearing this proves my point. And just flick through late night TV and ye shall be assulted by porn by all angles.
Fri, 7th Feb '03, 3:41pm
Arabwel, You have a very good point, and I am not naive enough to believe that porn could ever be stopped completely, just like any other behaviour considered by most to be anti-social (look at the American experiment with Prohibition). I just have one problem with your position and it is this -- just having women in charge of the industry will not "magic bullet" the problem. Some of the worst pimps are women exploiting other women! Now I am sure there are ethical (and I use the term loosely) female producers and directors, and some men are probably good as well, but it could get just as bad under women as it is under men.
That special report I saw mentioned something else -- the porn industry is financed, indirectly, by big businesses like GM, big hotel chains, and other supposedly "legit" businesses. if you look at the composition of the vast majority of the porn industry workers, they come from low-income familes and situations. Diane Sawyer asked the mother of a porn worker what she would say to the presidents of these companies that finance movies that glorify the violation of her daughter, and the mother said "I would ask them if they really believe the industry is OK, would they want their own daughters working in it?" Ask any parent, and I'll guarantee the answer.
Fri, 7th Feb '03, 5:51pm
Pornomovies is commerciall for prostutotion(sp?).
An imagine a 15-years old guy who says that.
Sat, 8th Feb '03, 2:12am
Ivanji. I'm with you. If you define prostitution as "having sex for money", all porn is is prostitution that is taped. Not something a society would want to encourage.
Sat, 8th Feb '03, 4:44am
I agree with you as well. However, I am not so foolish as to think that the demand for the industry will ever go away. There are many people out there driven only by their hormones. The producers of this type of material are merely businessmen attempting to make a profit. The demand is there, so people will supply it.
Would cleaning up the industry, ala Arabwel's suggestions, help? Possibly, but it is not a viable solution. Very few highly ethical people want to have anything to do with this kind of obscenity, so all you get are the people that enjoy it themselves. Essentially, you have a business that is supported by its own propietors. Because of this, the people producing these films will force the actors to do things that satisfy their own desires.