So then what is this mission i must undertake to prove how brilliant i am (which is not very much)

I am going to go Solo for the first time.

But here is the catch:
I want to play as the weakest class!!!!!!!
And just to make it worse.
I am only allowed 80 stat points!!!!!!!

Oh yes the ultimate challenge
So what class should i be and where shall the points go!?

And by the way this is nothing to do with ironbeards topic. I want the weakest!


[This message has been edited by Avooch Dar (edited June 02, 2001).]

Wizard slayer

You will be soooooo killed since you cant use potions of healing and such.

Or try a druid. Since you level off at 14 you'll have bad saves.

specialize in darts or bastard swords

I read about a dude that wnbet solo with a jester and made it. he even killed kangaxx. The topic was on bgdungeon but that is down. A fine story too

No, dont specialize, be proficient with everything

if you have a death wish, you could always increase the difficulty =)

Nah, that doesnt make it much harder. If he had a death wish he could be a human wizard slayer with min stats.

So wouldn't his stats be something like
str 9
dex 3
con 3
wis 3
int 3
cha 3

?? or was the min higher for some stats?

yup, i definitely say wizard slayer. weakest thing in the game, oh if only irenicus was a wizard slayer instead...but that would screw up the game alot...nevermind.

The wizard slayer is NOT the weakest thing in the game. Sure its abilities suck, it can't use many items but nothing is weak if used right in bg2. The only reason I recommended it was because without a cleric he would have to rely on potions to heal himself which the wizard slayer can't use.

Lets look at the advantages of a wizard slayer
1-its a fighter
2-magic resistance, always useful
3-the supposedly useless miscast effect, what happens if your fighting irenicus or a lich? After whittling down their defenses you can get one whack before they set up a crapload of other defenses.

Granted the wizardslayer is hard to play, but nothing is absolutly useless.

i see your point. i have never played a fighter and i never will. i believe things are just a bit basic with a fighter. give him a sword, he chops things up.

i dont mind having them in my party and i say the more the merrier but a fighter doesnt fit me, and thats what roleplaying is about. i take yoga and im a little more intelligent than youre average potatoe(literal potatoe, the brown thing with eyes) so i tend to play mages and thieves.

im not trying to insult fighters, its just a matter of opinion and thats what forums are for.

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[This message has been edited by Captain Spud (edited June 02, 2001).]

Jesters do not suck. They can slow and knockout people in the higher levels. Plus they have no disadvantages. Who really uses normal bard song for long anyway?

As i said before i will be having a total of 80 stat points which is actually surprisingly few.
Although this is called mission imposible i still want to be able to escape the first dungeon.
Think about it.
If i was a wizard slayer then i would not be able to pick traps and would have to storm through. How am i going to survive if i canot use regeneration items or potions of healing.
The only thing i can do is either rest constantly which will mean it wil take a year or so to leave the dungeon or wait for a temple! I DO want a chalenge but i also want some sense of hope to start out with.

How about a druid or skald?

[This message has been edited by Avooch Dar (edited June 02, 2001).]

Skalds are good, they're like warriors with a high lore, plus they can cast spells. Only drawback is that they can only be proficient in anything.

I´d definitly go for wizard slayer too. they suck.

Yes, go with wizard slayer if you want a challenge going solo. If I remember correctly you can gain hp if you use Sarevoks old sword (don't remember the name). When you get out of the dungeon don't forget to buy all restoration spells you can find. You will need them.

It is possible to solo with a wizard slayer, but it's probably the hardest way to go.

Wizard slayers can't use the restoration spells or healing potions or any potions for that matter. He'd be screwed.

try kensai, specialization in slings :D :)

No you see i want to go solo with a character that will not just bring difficulty but at least minor enjoyment.
The Wizard Slayer is so crap that although it would the most difficult to start with it just would not be fun at all.
So i tell you what guys lets have a look at the second most difficult class!!

Avooch Dar
(now that you're a wolf, should we call you Avooch the Pooch?)

You opened yourself up on this topic! But here's my opinion.

To play a weak, but do-able player, try a Skald or a Ranger KIT Beastmaster. The Skald could actually be fun. THe Beastmaster will have some abilities, but the weapon draw-backs will keep you from being too much of a threat (none of the cool weapons are made of wood!)

One other thought - what about a fighter/mage/theif with terrible stats? You'd go up very slowly, be only semi-good at a lot of things (until later), and have to use lots of strategy to put your few skills into play for tough combats.

A Wizard Slayer gets my vote too!

Try this distribution:
Str: 18
Dex: 18
Con: 18
Int: 6
Wis: 8 (How wise is it not to use magic stuff?) ;)
Cha: 12

Or this slightly less challenging distribution:
Str: 18
Dex: 18
Con: 18
Int: 12 (Helps against Mind Flayers)
Wis: 8
Cha: 6 (No need for high Charisma)


Healing potions are not vital. Is it really that bad to press "Z" when you're hurt? You will rack up a lot of days, but that doesn't matter in BG2. Wizard Slayer is tough but not impossible and the kit benefits can be put to good use in some cases. Traps aren't much of a problem either. Take the damage and press "Z". :)

(Note that a Jester is better at soling than a normal Bard.)

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As I have Cut Down on my posting due to exams I'll make this toppic my 1. priority as it has sparkled my interest for BG2 again.
You wrote Mission Impossible But wont play a wizard slayer?
It is an an Adventure beyond any comprehension. This is truly :cool:
I will take the challenge.

I can only play a few hours but later toninght "ETA 6 hours" I'll Write chapter 1 of the Impossible missions of the wizard slayer copyright Slappy TM.
But I need a name to this poor fellow. Any suggestions? Else I'll call him Retsnimle the reverse of Elminster. Pretty uncool name but he wont survive that long anyway. But thats life in a mission impossible. :D

Nobleman:
That's very cool!
I'll start up a solo Wizard Slayer too and will be back here this evening so we can compare our experiences sofar!

Good Luck! :)

Smashing!!!!!!!!! :D

I'll Edit a. Actually its coming up right now :D

I wish I had time to begin this Wizard-Slaying race to the death! But I can contribute a few names appropriate for a Wizard-Slayer:

Skelos
Chunder Shan
Ashe
Fenor
Fragil

(The first two are from Conan, #3 from Rhapsody, #4 from the Silmarillion, #5 from a box in my living room). I used to go through the books of Kings & Samuel in the Bible to find good names. Ever have a Cleric named Senacharib or Zerubbuble!?!)

Right now I am roleplaying Retsnimle through the game.

He has read some books and I think by some time he will take the name Grummsh. He doesn't know Yet. But thanks for the inspiration. Perhaps he will call himself that some day. heck! I dont even know ;)

Enjoy rent-a-smile! He sounds like he would have needed a little help reading those books, even with pop-up-pictures.

Should be fun - but watch your grades! I'd really hate to see your exams go down the tubes they way some of my work has b/c of these stupid games ;)

I'll watch out ;) He will probably be dead soon anyway. (back to exams) as I am roleplaying him. not powerplaying him.

Yes Restnimle Just looks at pictures for now. hehe :D Cant read that super. In the story he was only affected by pictures, anyway.

To Slappy: Imoen just stands and waits outside. quite noble of her.

[This message has been edited by Nobleman (edited June 04, 2001).]

I have decided to start as an Avenger.
Personally i think it will be just as hard a play as the Wizard Slayer.

I took note of how low the saving throws would be and how crap at fighting i would be.
He has that horrible penalty to cons an to str and although he can shapechange you really can not do it often enough.

I will get seriously pounded by mages (Nobleman as the name suggests will not) and fighters wil deck me aswell.
Druids are great in a party because they can heal people and because they can provide missle support and the occaisional offensive or summoning spell but on their own they suck!
B
ecause of the low level which i can reach my thaco will be ridiculously high and i will not be able to save against many attacks.

Personally i think that it will be just as hard to survive with this kit as it would to go with a Wizard Slayer. I may have healing spells but most of the time i will be dead before i get he chance to use them!

BTW the Beastmaster is reasonably crap but his thaco and saves would still be too good.

BTW2 I will not write out my journey as i am doing exams right at this very week!

Any opinions on this compared with the Wizard Slayer.

Hey, I think Nobleman has exams too! I'd suck it up, let your grades slip, and post a detailed journal! ;)

Seriously, just let us know how far you get! I'd be curious.

I salute You. You have accepted a mission impossible. I look Forward to Your evaluation. I can only say that Retsnimle is still alive. And I am Roleplaying just to make things even harder.

When he dies I'll terminate the project. As I said I am only in it for the challenge if its roleplaying.

All My blessing on Your Avenger Journey :)

Tyresian wrote (way up):
"Wizard slayers can't use the restoration spells or healing potions or any potions for that matter. He'd be screwed."

A Wizard slayer CAN use restoration scrolls which is kind of interesting for a solo player. There aren't that many in the game though.

Well too bad For Retsnimle. He has too bad an intelligence to read any scrolls. HAHA He is doomed. He is ment to suffer. its his lot in life :D

Amazing that he still lives :cool:

Reply to Avoch Dar:

The Avenger is the best druid kit!

- Sword Spider shape change is excellent early on.
- Insect Plague neutralize mages.
- Iron Skin and Conjure Fire/Earth Elemental are superb spells.
- The extra mage spells are all extremely good.
- Max 16 strength. You can use Girdle of Giant Strength or Gauntlets of Ogre Power. (The initial 16 max strength might be there to stop you from dual classing to a fighter.)
- Max 16 constitution means nothing since any higher than that is useless to a druid anyway.

You'll probably use summoned elementals alot and back them up with spells and your sling.
THAC0 will not be good, especially not later in the game since you max out at level 14. AC and HP's should be good enough though.


I think the Shapeshifter kit is the hardest of the druid kits to solo since you can't wear armor and you depend heavily on the werewolf shapechange (when shapechanged you can't cast spells).