Weed, cannabis, reefer, hemp, marijuana, any other names for that herb?

So while reading the drinking poll I started thinking about peoples thoughts about cannabis?
Are people smoking it and how many have tried?

Me myself, while not a regular cannabis consumer, happen to smoke it on some occasions, not often,
but often enough to be called a cannabis consumer,at least if you believe the authoratives. ;)

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Poll Results: Thoughts about cannabis? (67 votes.)

Cannabis (Choose 1)
* I haven't tried cannabis. - 45% (30)
* I have tried cannabis. - 31% (21)
* I consume cannabis. - 24% (16)

I smoke marijuana maybe once or twice a week.

I usually light a few blunts with my bro after a long week of school and work. It's relaxing.

Home-grown Blueberry rocks. The buzz of that weed is simply awesome. :hippy:

Durban Poison hits like a brick on the head.

M-39 makes me long for the days when I was a Death Metal vocalist...

[ November 18, 2005, 01:59: Message edited by: Disciple of The Watch ]

Never bothered. The stuff normally going through my head is already wackier than any tobaccy could possibly make me. :roll:

Tried it year ago when young. Didn't like. Gave me a headache.

If I tried it now they would be carting me off to Heaven's Gate down the road. :doh:

I've smoked it a few times in the past (can't avoid that where i live :D ) but i simply don't like it. In combination with beer you can get pretty sick, and i prefer my beer over anything else. :D Most of my friends smoke it though, so whenever they're here on a visit i need to open all windows, otherwise it gets kinda foggy in the livingroom.

Hehe, I will sound like a droogie saying that, but being buried in smoke is good. :D

Bah, shame on you, WiZ, that poll gave me the taste to smoke a blunt.

Never touched the stuff. Might have passively taken some in during Uni parties, but I've never touched a spliff. I'm not even keen on smoking tobacco, even, as the one time I tried that made me hork up foul-tasting phlegm for the next day or so. :sick:

I'd probably legalise it, though. It's up to everyone to make their own minds up about cannabis, imo, as I can only see a great hypocrisy in outlawing a drug where any long-term health effects seem to be doubtful, at best. You just can't have it in the same category as heroin, cocaine, etc. because it's just not that lethal or addictive. The biggest risk anyone takes is in the amount of tobacco in a spliff, which can be as much as 20 cigarettes worth. I also cannot see how it isn't legal for medicinal use, at least, especially when the use of morphine is so widespread (although this may be more of an issue in Britain than elsewhere, where attitudes are perhaps more enlightened in this regard).

Personally, I see the use of cannabis as outlawed more from cultural stigma than real objective desire to save people from themselves. It's just not as lethal as alcohol or as socially divisive - who would you want to meet late at night? Four drunks? Or four pot-smokers? The former lot would have you paranoid they were going to smash your face in; the latter would be paranoid about you!

I sense a great hypocrisy with the legal stance on weed, and that's something I no-likey. :shame:

In conclusion: peace, out. :hippy:

(Heh, well I just had to get that smilie in somewhere, didn't I? ;) :p )

Very good point, Magpie.

Shisha, or fruit-flavoured tobacco, is good stuff. And it's not addictive. Plus, a bowler of shisha lasts for many hours. :D

Mmm... shisha... *drools*

Never tried it, and I don't want to.

I used to be a heavy pot smoker when I could get my hands on it. I didn't get sick from not having it, but I would usually long to get stoned when I wasn't already stoned.

I don't see it as harmful per se, but I do believe it should be legalized with the following conditions:

1: There should be a legal age limit. 19 is that limit for alcohol and Tobacco in Ontario, so extend that to weed.

2: If you are caught supplying such substances to minors (Alcohol, Tobabbo, Marijuana) then it's the same charge as if you had sold them Cocaine.

3: If you consume these restricted substances in an area where it is prohibited, then it's the same charge as if you were using Cocaine.

4: There ought to be taxes applied. If you seek to circumvent those taxes through any means other than growing it yourself, then you would be punished similar to trafficking contraband alcohol or tobacco.

5: If an officer suspects that you are driving under the influence, he may request certain tests. Failure to provide samples as required would be the same charge as failing to provide a breathalyzer sample.

But it is harmful. Not only does it kill brain cells (which I've heard humans need), but if you do happen to be high, and get in a car, the chances of you getting in an accident and possibly harming someone are much higher. (http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/roadsafety/drinkdriving/drugs/)

And if you don't care about that, think of what it does to you. (http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/drugawareness/marijuana1.html) Taking things that makes you less aware, intelligent, coordinated, etc, IMO is just plain stupid. Ruining yourself for a temporary high... just, why?

Of course, I am also against smoking, because it poses similar risks (more of cancer, though). Plus, it ruins the entire mouth. Chewing tobacco even more.

I agree with Gnarff here...
There's nothing harmfull to it :) , you can smoke every day and have a great life, you won't loose that many brain cells. ;)

It surely does NOT make you less aware, intelligent, coordinated, etc. -If any of you actually believe that, IMO it's just what you've heard somewhere from someone, who has not even tried it :shake:

Off course i would never drive a car stoned, just like i don't drink and drive :)

I believe cannabis should be legalized on the line with alcohol and tobacco - Both theese drugs are actually a lot worse (unhealthier) :rolleyes:

So when you're high, you are just as aware, intelligent and coordinated? Could a sonted baseball player go out and hit a homerun?

And I know so many people that smoke almost every day that are now just shells of human beings... how is this regular?

Never tried it. I was simply never sufficiently curious as so seek out someone who had any to share. Well, there was that one girl in my dorm but she wouldn't give me any, saying it was "bad for you". Why it was bad for me and not for her I didn't ask. ;)

I also agree with Magpie and Gnarff on the legalization. It's hypocritical to have alcohol and tobacco legal and pot not. Give people the right to make their own choices, and tax the hell out of them in the process. :thumb:

:eek: I agree with Gnarff!!! :eek:

I also think it is reasonable that he suggests having similar restrictions and punishments for it's use as we see with other legal drugs.

I myself have used it on several occassions, although none recently. I can never say I was a frequent user, even in my college days. I'm not sure you mean when you say "consume" pot. Do you mean you're a regular user, or are you talking about things like pot brownies? I've never done that - my experience is limited to smoking it. It's just that when you say "consume" it suggests you're eating it.

it kills brain cells (which I've heard humans need), Yeah, but it only kills the weak ones. :lol:

Besides, so does alcohol. :beer: And beer only kills the weak brain cells too.

if you do happen to be high, and get in a car, the chances of you getting in an accident and possibly harming someone are much higher. Well, sure they are. But just like I don't condone people getting behind the wheel when they're drunk, I also don't condone people getting behind the wheel when they're stoned.

Used to smoke it, though I generally prefered to put it in cookies or yoghurts. The "High" acheived was much more euphoric that way. I stopped smoking when I started going out with my partner seven years ago and have thanked her ever since.

I used to be pro-legalisation (or at least pro-decriminalisation as occured in Lambeth Borough, London for a while) but having seen the long term effects on friends I've altered my view.
Simply put, Dope is the single reason that four of my friends failed University (and two of these were straight A-grade students). A couple are completely addicted - at least they don't seem to able to go more than a few hours without it. Another one is an insomniac, clinically depressed, and in an attempt to stop smoking appears to have become an alcoholic. I'm resonably sure that I was definitely operating at a lower level during the years I used to smoke. It induces lethagy if nothing else.

I agree that it's no worse than Alcohol, but because it can be grown I don't see how you could prevent minors from getting hold or growing it themselves. Nice to say "Tax the Hell out of it" but unfortunately that wouldn't prevent the existing illegal set-up from operating, purely down to the price differences.
Brewing alcohol in Britain isn't illegal, just a lot of hassle (unless you buy the home brew kits, which again are for over-18's.) Unless you're extremely diligent it will quite often end up tasting like vinegar.

I used to smoke grass regularly. And often. Once I learned to handle the impact I enjoyed it greatly. We had quite the blast for a few years; would not want to forget that time. :D Though some memories are a bit hazy, mind you.

Sadly it became more and more difficult to get quality stuff, both in Germany and in the Netherlands. We also tired of the hassle with the cops. I became increasingly reluctant to waste my money on poor quality... and eventually, like most of my friends, I stopped smoking. Which was nowhere near as difficult as some might want to make one believe, by the way.

My experience with cannabis is rather positiv, so I would like to see it legalized. In hindsight I cant say it is addictive - more like a habit, and did not interfere with my life that much, neither with that of my friends. For none of us it ended badly. Although, depending on what kind of person one is, and what problems and issues one has, I would not gernerally recommend to consume it.
Also some self-constraint and control is in order. Smoking cannabis should be for special occasions, but not be an almost daily routine thing. Same as with alcohol. A sensible approach is in order and everything will be just fine. For the temptation to get high whenever one has the opportunity is definitely there...

I've not smoked dope or any other illegal, untaxable drug. :p :lol: I don't see the point of it on a recreational basis, but I can accept it having 'medicinal properties' (ie: a pain cutter or pain forgetter). Then again, I'm not much into taking drugs for any reason.

Dendri, according to some sort of cannabis test, a certain coffeeshop in Sittard came out best in the Netherlands. If i'm not mistaken that's close to the German border, near Monchengladbach. Regarding quality that's the best you can get your hands on at the moment. The degrading quality is because there are so many homegrowers these days, who don't even have the patience to wait until the plants are fully ripe. It's all about money now, quantity instead of quality.

Pac man, jau. That's what the people in the coffeshops told us too, when we sort of complained. The great demand for cannabis lowered the standards - or so it was said.

I think we also made a mistake by mostly buying in Maastricht. Perhaps we should have had a look at the smaller towns, that are spared the mainstream 'drug tourism'.

Thanks for the hint. For the moment I am through with it though. Except for the rare Johnny that makes a round on a party that is. ;)

(BTW, unless I am mistaken I know what coffeeshop you're referring to. Been there twice. :D )

I forgot the name, but as far as i know it won the test twice already. And not just regarding weed, but the service as a whole, friendly people, fresh orange juice, clean establishment, etc..

And you're right about Maastricht, the weed business there is completely set up for mass production, not the best quality as you can guess. Same goes for Heerlen by the way. The smaller towns are where you want to go if you're looking for quality weed.

I work in a psychiatric ward, I have met some funky potheads with severe cannabis psychosis. It is such a wonderful trigger for latent mental illnesses.

It's illegal here. I've never even tried it (and leave any party it's being used). I would have no problems firing a coworker who had traces in their blood after involved in an accident at work (of course, alcohol in their system would also result in their firing).

I do not agree with the 'war on drugs' going after the users, but I would support punishments for dealers being doubled if any crime involved children.

I'm somewhat divided between the different arguments in this thread. Yes, I am a canabis (or rather hash) consumer, and has been so for many years now. I like to relax with a joint, a bong, a chillum, or most of the other ways to smoke hash.

But it is harmful. Not only does it kill brain cells (which I've heard humans need), but if you do happen to be high, and get in a car, the chances of you getting in an accident and possibly harming someone are much higher.No, cannabis doesn't kill brain cell per see (as alcohol does), but it puts in a state of "unconsciousness", meaning that some brain cells won't work propper (or not at all) during the period (approximately 6 weeks or so) that the canabinols are present in your blood.

Of course, I am also against smoking, because it poses similar risks (more of cancer, though). Afaic I think hash and cigaret smoking are just as lethal to your system. See when you prepare hash (or pot - weed) you mix it with tobacco. The tobacco has been burned in order to burn out the nicotine, though a lot of the already presented substances in the tobacco will still be there.

It surely does NOT make you less aware, intelligent, coordinated, etc. -If any of you actually believe that, IMO it's just what you've heard somewhere from someone, who has not even tried it [grinning, shaking head] Oh but it does. As explained above it will lower your ability to consume knowledge, it will mess up your coordination, and make you less aware of what happens around you.

I was a daily hash consumer from I was thirteen to I was about 16-17, and smoked just about 3-6 kilograms of hash a day (and even more during weekends). I recall it was very hard to stop smoking (and still is). Today it's still a struggle to say no to that joint and go make homework/whatnots instead, and keep the smoking on low. I wouldn't say that I'm for or against a legalization of cannabis as I really can't make up my mind whether it would turn out to the worse or the better.

Give people the right to make their own choices, and tax the hell out of them in the process.I agree. But not too heavy on the taxes. It should be about the same as cigarettes. The idea here is to also destroy the black market in these drugs, and in the process, the crime that goes with it.

Heh..i think i found it, the name is Skunk, and is located near the trainstation. Here's (http://home.freeuk.com/coffeeshop/Database/ShopsB/SkunkS.html) some info.

I've tried cannabis a few times. To me it works as sedative. I did not want to be sedated, I wanted to be up-lifted, therefore I had no interest to make it a regular habit.

Legally, it should be treated as beer/wine. I think cannabis creates for it's users a lot more problems because the can't link cannabis to beer/wine. It probably wouldn't occur to them to drink a pint of beer every 2 hours, yet with cannabis, some people don't seem to see any problem with that and they end up being stoned 24 hours the day.

In general, people that consume daily cannabis seem apathic and phlegmatic to me. They don't seem to care or worry about anything. And those that dropped out of school didn't give a **** about it. Alcoholics at least show some temper.

It's obviously hard to tell what was first, cannabis or the problems. But cannabis, like alcohol, seems to have the property to work like fertiliser on already existing problems, making them more and more serious.

@ Pac man
:hmm:
Cant remember the name of that coffeeshop either. It must be more than three years since the last time I was there. Would recognize it, however, if there were pics. And yes, the quality AND quantity were good, the persons were very friendly (all of them... Lebanese?), and the location was indeed homely and clean. Nice little shop from what I recall.

I was a daily hash consumer from I was thirteen to I was about 16-17, and smoked just about 3-6 kilograms of hash a day (and even more during weekends). @ Olim
I take it you mean three to six grams? No one could consume even as much as one kilogram and live to tell the story. ;)

edit -- typ0z :)

[ November 18, 2005, 16:55: Message edited by: Dendri ]

@ Iago

A proper combination of alcohol and hash will also get you uplifted, though as someone mentioned earlier, you could just as well end up getting really sick, if you don't know your boundaries :heh:

In general, people that consume daily cannabis seem apathic and phlegmatic to me. They don't seem to care or worry about anything. And those that dropped out of my class didn't give a **** about it. Alcoholics at least show some temper.But, there's a line between not WANTING to care about it, and simply just not caring about it.

Most younger (and older) drug (ab)users has other problems that cause them to seek out psychedelic experiences. When I state that theres a difference between not wanting to care about bad stuff happening to you, and then not caring, is that most of these people are tortured souls, who simply don't want to care, as caring about other people, things in your life, etc. Will only cause pain when he/she fails at doing whatnots (most of these "know" that they will fail something, because they're used to either think of themselves as failures, or used to simply failing things due to various problems).

To sum up this kinda confusing reply:

Those kicked out of your class will most likely "care", but don't want to care (or show that they care) because loosing things you care about causes pain, and pain is what they want to avoid by doping themselves continuously.

When you're feeling down, you should stay clear from weed, it will only increase your emotions. I'm no specialist in this field, but from whitnessing my surroundings, i'd say weed works best when you want to chill out for a bit, and there's nothing to worry about, like getting up early for work, or that sort of things. When you're feeling relaxed, that's when it has the best effect. You can just hang around with a bunch of friends, and laugh about pretty much everything you see or talk about. If something looks a little ridiculous when you're completely sober, it will look hilarious when you're stoned, or something that makes perfectly good sense, suddenly sounds friggin ridiculous. That's the basic idea. :D

It's even more intense with magic mushrooms. Once me and my friends went to a lake with a few bags of mushrooms and a gallon of gasoline. Once the mushrooms kicked in, we poured the gasoline into the lake and set it on fire. Normally it doesn't make any sense at all, but when you're under influence of mushrooms, watching water burn is the coolest thing imaginable. :shake:

@Saber: The "fact" that weed is a "cell-buster" is untrue. When I was like 18, I was stoned 24/7 (or permafried, if you prefer). I had a job, a girlfriend that would later become my fiancée (I quit toking when she told me she was pregnant), a good job... and as you can see, I still have all my head.

And concerning the effect, I can only tell you that it depends on the strain of weed.

What I used to smoke (and sometimes still do) was home-grown Blueberry, which is an Indica.

As any weed fans here will confirm, the effect of Indica is calming, and in reasonable dose, can help with concentration. Blueberry saved my ass many times before exams where I was nervous as hell... and I never failed a single exam while under the influence of Blueberry.

Sativa, however, gives a "hyper" buzz, and while funny like hell, it can interfere with your daily life.

As for cannabis VS the law... I find the laws in question stupid and hypocrite. Like I stated in the abortion topic, I believe in pro-choice. You don't want to smoke? That's your choice. But at least RESPECT the choice I made of smoking weed. There is a lot of hypocrisy in the laws in place.

Of course, having been in the "buisness" for a few years, I agree with one anti-drug argument: No one knows what kind of stuff has been added to the weed they purchase/smoke.

Now, a few examples. Purple weed is injected with acid. Not only do you get the weed buzz, you get major hallucinations, too.

Black weed... believe it or not I actually saw this. This is the most frightening thing I ever heard of my life. This one was injected with *STRYCHNIN*, or rat poison, if you prefer.

White weed... if I remember well, this perticular one was injected with bleach.

Strychnin and bleach infused weed... these are a serious hazard for health, and still, some mindlessely smoke this stuff.

That's why I always prefered to grow my own stock. And I still do. I have been faithful to the same strain for years.

To all smokers out there... start your own greenhouse. It's the best solution. You *truly know* what you smoke when it's home-grown.

*EDIT* Ahhhhhhhh! A chev-length post!

smoked just about 3-6 kilograms of hash a day :confused: 3-6 kilos?!? WTF? That's somewhere between 6 and 13 pounds of hash a day! Did you do anything besides smoke pot all day? I have a hard time believing a single person could use that much pot even if they smoked from the moment they woke up until when they went to bed. You could mean grams, but then 3-6 grams doesn't seem like that much. You'd barely be able to get a decent high with that much.

Hey...give the guy a break, maybe he's a Klingon, and Klingons are known to smoke A LOT. :D

I don't smoke myself, I have tried it but it didn't do much, and since my lungs don't deal with any kind of smoke well at all, after a few attempts I lost interest in 'learning' how to smoke 'properly', as some of my friends who like to smoke say. I stick with alcohol.

From what my friends say and from observing them myself, when used in moderation weed is harmless fun. When used excessively it passivates people and interferes with some of your mental faculties, concentration and learning capabilities. The particular type of weed probably is a large factor, as DotW pointed out, as are existing problems or fertile grounds for developing problems.

From what I know, the 'addiction' to pot is a psychological one. It is a want, not a physical need. However an acquintance of mine once spoke about a weedless week, when he could hardly sleep at all and sweated enormous amounts.

I wouldn't mind cannabis products getting legalized, although personally I probably wouldn't be any more interested than I am now. It would lessen the risks of getting dangerous mixes from suspect sources. I've heard of diesel oil and waste opiats having been put into the mix. Also it would free up police resources for fighting actual criminals.

I heard of an experiment where in a football (soccer) game alcohol was banned but smoking was allowed freely; no violence whatsoever. Interesting.

Ah, Aldeth, 3-6 grams... One couldn't even smoke 1 kilo without passing out, methinks :shake: I just messed up the terms :p

Aldeth, where are you from? The US? This would explain why you'd say such a thing, 'cus I can promise you that the hash (not pot - which is weed - mind you) available here in Denmark would knock most poeple off of their feet if they were to smoke more than that (Well, non-regulars and people who is used to pot, which is more "weak").

@Susipaisti: I never heard of diesel oil and waste opiates infused weed, but I have no trouble believing it. The stock for sale on the streets is really junk.

@Oli: Yeah, agreed that hasch hits pretty hard. Hasch oil hits even harder. But it is pretty expensive... making it is difficult and hazardous. But if someone's looking to fly *really* high, then that's the way to go.

As you all probably will all have guessed I do not use the stuff and I am opposed to its use in general. I understand that making the stuff illegal is not a great solution, as it criminalizes the whole distribution progress which leads to violence.

On the flip side, the problem is that the government needs to be involved regarding some substances (such as Meth, cocaine, heroin, Barner videos, etc) to protect the public. Many stupid people say "if it's legal, the Government is vouchsafing that the stuff is safe, so if I get hurt using it, it's the Governments fault." I say these losers should take some responsibility for their own decisions, but the fact that these sorts of folks are around is one of the reasons the U.S. tried Prohibition with alcohol, and we all know how that turned out.

In general, though, I bellieve that the negative consequences of pot use outweigh any positive ones. It is my understanding that the pot in use today is significantly stronger and more harmful than the pot used in decades gone by. This is from scientific agricultural preacitces that have boosted the TCH (I think that's the name of the psychoactive component of cannabis). Those who state that it's the best option as a painkiller are incorrect, as several doctors who I have asked have said that clinical trials have proved this argument false.

Of course, I must admit that I hold similar views with regard to all recreational drugs, even the legal ones like tobacco and alcohol. Neither of them have benefits that outweigh their detriments (if anyone tells me that wine has anti-oxidents I'll scream -- the studies I've seen state that grape juice has the same benefit, so it's not the alcohol that's helping.) I don't think that Prohibition worked, though, and so in my convoluted way I'm getting to the point that governments should probably legalize it, tax the snot out of it, and punish people who drive under the influence (or otherwise disturb the peace or break the law of the land) in the most severe way possible.

That's why I recommend to any weed-consumer to start their own greenhouse and grow their own! It's the only way to be *really* sure of what you're smoking! You can choose a strain that will suit your needs, and besides, growing it is *far* more economic than buying it! A plant can dish out nearly an ounce, and you can *clone* them so it quickly gets interesting.

I don't smoke cannabis, and I never will.
For me, it all boils down to fear. It's a poweful emotion. Fear of just what will happen, should I start. Fear of faliure and outcast. Anyway, I don't need no stinkin weed! I got D&D!

At DotW:


The laws may be hypocritical, but I still don't see why the government should allow people to potentially endanger people (high while driving), or just letting them ruin their lives. However, I am also against cigarettes (damn things do kill people) and alcohol (not as much, I just don't think it should be allowed to be sold in large quantites, and bartenders shouldn't be allowed to serve patrons over a set limit of alcohol).

Now you are pretty lucky (or just immune), if you never had any bad effects from smoking it...

Oh well, I don't really feel like arguing. I have nothing against people who smoke occasionally, so I'll just stop talking.

No, Saber, I agree with you on the High while driving... this should remain criminal. But then like I said, for smoking weed, I believe in pro-choice.

And as for me, the only reason I had little side effects from pot smoking is that I grew my own. I knew which variety it was, what were the effects, and that it contained no chemical products. The only thing chemical I used was 20-20-20 fertilizer. That's why I strongly encourage cannabis consumers to start their own green house. You know what you smoke. And it's better for the budget.

Tried once.
And about legalization, it's a drug but since you can kill yourself by smoking cigarettes (legal+lots of cash from taxes), alcohol (also legal) why you can't smoke soft drugs? Cannabis is far less dangerous then cigarettes.

If there are taxes put on the stuff then there would still be a black market for it. Cigarettes are legal in Canada but the taxes more than double the price. I know a lot of smokers who would not ask questions if offered cigarettes at a lower price. I imagine legalization would take care of some of the crime involved but definatly not all of it.

As far as smoking pot I haven't smoked it for over two years. Being a parent means you have to be responsible and a hypocrite if it means condemning the stuff when you actually used to use it. Before I had children I was stoned for aproximatly 6 years. I got a sever cough every 4 or 5 months and was a little forgetful during my "wonder years". On the up side I did produce some rather good art.

Well, I have to pipe in (yuck yuck!) due to what Disciple was on about. (One of these days I'll figure out how to quote)

This whole rat poison and bleach injected pot stuff is so silly. For some reason myths like this get perpetuated.

It seems to me that pot dealers are in the business of making money and wouldn't do anything to lower their profit margins. So why on Earth would they go through all the trouble of "injecting" rat poison into their pot?? How exactly does one inject such a substance into pot? Why even spend the money? And then what? You're trying to kill off your customer base?

It's just one of those silly myths that gets passed around by stoned college kids. Think, folks, think.

And I am in no way advocating pot smoking. Just had to dispel that myth.

Why even spend the money? And then what? You're trying to kill off your customer base?Not necessarily applicable to pot, but...


A: It is cheaper to cut your drugs with another substance (bleach, for instance) than it is to provide them with pure stuff.
B: Dealing on the streets isn't a long term business--for the foot soldiers. Yeah, the guy you're selling to may be dead five years from now. So might you.
C: Customers are never in short supply, and are quite replacable. Free samples, anyone?

I don't have it. I have done once or twice but I don't understand the whole hubaloo about it. It doesn't taste very nice and it always makes me feel crap for some reason. At least beer is nice to drink whilst it's making you feel crap :p .

What makes me laugh is when people say 'I sometimes have a few spliffs when I go out drinking', you know straight away they're lying because that combo makes you spew your guts up.

I just prefer beer and cannabis gives me no reason to choose it over beer.

Have any of you ever wondered why cannabis is illegal (http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html) ???

Maybe in denmark, but it's legal here.

As long as we have socialized health care I'm against legalizing any new damaging substances. Tobacco and alcohol are both too rooted to the society to cleanse but cannabis is not and that's pretty much how I'd prefer it to stay.

Bleach-infused weed is no myth. I have witnessed it with my very own eyes.

Speaking with one of the guys, he told me that injecting the plant with some chemical or another traumatizes it and makes it produce more THC, thus making it more potent. As for injecting it in the plant, it injected in the trunk of the plant via the help of a syringe.

More potent weed means fetching a higher price. Drug dealers are no imbeciles. AMaster is right.

Barmy... weed and beer combo doesen't automatically make one puke it's guts out. I have done it for years... and as long as you smoke before drinking, you will be fine. drinking before smoking... bad idea

I think it's ridiculous that cannabis is illegal here in the states. It shouldn't even be considered a drug IMO, especially not when alcohol and tobacco are not only both perfectly legal, but both are far more physically harmful than cannabis.

I agree with those in this thread who've stated that smoking cannabis in moderation is harmless. I can attest to this personally. Based on the research I've done on the subject (which is quite a lot) combined with my personal experience, I can state as fact that cannabis is in no way chemically addicting, is far less harmful than either alcohol or cigarettes, and there is no reason to deny its use to responsible adults. I believe if cannabis is to remain illegal, then alcohol and tobacco should be prohibited as well, as it's patently hypocritical to prohibit a practically identical substance based on false information (ie, that it's addicting, that it makes you a junky, etc).

So again - cannabis in moderation is relatively harmless. Of course this should go without saying, as anything done to excess is unhealthy.

My biggest reason for wanting to legalize cannabis is along the same lines as what Chandos said - the drug war. I do think that drugs that are actually harmful and dangerous - cocaine, heroine, methamphetamines, etc. - should be vigorously fought and kept off the streets. These substances are extremely addicting and harmful, most of the negative effects of which are irreversible. Drug Enforcement officers should be allowed to stop wasting their time and effort on something that isn't categorically any more dangerous than what is currently legal and heavily regulated by the government.

Anecdotal evidence for what it's worth: I've met 2 DEA officers in different areas of the country in the last few years, and both agree: their jobs seem futile because far too many man-hours and resources are spent chasing harmless hippies, while far more dangerous substances slip across our borders, and the dangerous criminals and abusers of other substances slip through their nets. Do they speak for all Drug Enforcement officials? Of course not. But you don't need to be one to come to the obvious conclusion that the persecution of cannabis does far more harm - at home and abroad - than good.

If the DEA stopped hunting, prosectuting and incarcerating marijuana users tomorrow, that would free them up financially and logistically to actually do some good in battling these other more harmful substances. They would stop destroying and infertalizing crop fields in South America, for example, which forces native peoples to burn deeper and deeper into the rainforests to clear land suitable for farming. And since cannabis is so profitable on the black market, the best way for these people to scrape a living is to continue planting and cultivating cannabis, only to have it destroyed by DEA agents in prop-planes. If cannabis becomes legal, it's black market value drops dramatically, and therefore removes the incentive for cultivation.

It's ridiculous that marijuana is treated the same as these other substances. NO ONE has ever died from a marijuana overdose, because it simply isn't possible (barring a severe allergic reaction, choking on it, etc). NO ONE has ever become chemically addicted to marijuana because, again, it simply isn't possible. Marijuana contains no chemically addictive properties whatsoever, and anyone who claims to be/have been a "marijuana addict" is either exaggerating, confusing habital addiction (overuse of something you enjoy with results in symptoms similar to withdrawal when parted with said activity) with chemical addiction (where the body actually becomes physically ill when deprived of the substance), or just flat out doesn't know what they're talking about.

I say this as a person who has (stupidly, I admit) experimented with more harmful substances. I know the difference between wanting to do something you enjoy and missing it in its absence, and having every part of your body repeatedly tell you that you NEED MORE. NOW. Cannabis does not - and CAN not - do that to you.

edit - WOW what a rant. Maybe I should light up a J to calm down... ;)

That was nicely said, DR. :thumb:

And about the marijuana overdose, I heard it was possible... but you'd have to smoke 1 1/2 times your body mass... so,since I weigh 180 lbs, I would have to smoke 270 POUNDS of weed to OD. :nuts:

Marijuana does no damage, alcohol eventually washes out of the system (with only some liver damage), but tobacco's effects are quite damaging and permanent, not to mention that it's chemically addicting rather than just psychologically. I say Big Tobacco should start making joints instead. :p

EDIT:
If the government could start some kind of organized change-over to switch the roles of tobacco and marijuana, things wouldn't even have to change so much. Marijuana could be regulated like tobacco is, tobacco could be illegal, and no giant industries would be destroyed. If anything, the new MJ companies might be forced to expand due to their customers living longer, healthier lives of consuming.

[ November 19, 2005, 21:51: Message edited by: Felinoid ]

Hehe, agreed, Big Cat. I always dreamed to go buy a pack of Durban Poison at the convenience store...

I'd like to add a little something to how and why the suspicious "extras" such as waste opiates are put in the cannabis products: Where I'm from, many people instead of buying plants/leaves/buds/flowers from private individuals who grow their own stuff, go to organized dealers and buy pre-made lumps that have to be mixed into tobacco before smoking. These lumps usually have the consistency of silly putty and there can literally be anything extra in it, because it's cheaper for the dealers to cut down the amount of the actual stuff and throw in, well, anything they please. This kind of stuff comes to people, through many middle men, from organized criminals - and these should be clearly distinguished from people who grow their own stuff.

In many cases the extras are relatively harmless things like spices. Waste opiates are sometimes used in this manner because they can't be sold as proper opiates. Although this I've only heard from someone who apparently knows about this kind of stuff, I haven't witnessed it myself.

Also, on something DotW said, Smoking while drinking is really bad...

And Susipaisti, I've heard of THC oil laced with ink. It leaves an unpleasant aftertaste. I've also heard of hash cut with melted down vynil records (those old black ones)...

It should be pointed out, that for all intents and purposes, marijuana is legal in the United States. Any reasonable person could acquire a small quantity of pot within a couple hours if they are willing to travel to an urban center. There are certain legal risks, but in most states possession of a small quantity, if even prosecuted, is treated as a misdemeanor offense. That is assuming prosecution: I personally have had a police officer confiscate an eighth of an ounce with no further consequence. I have had friends with similar stories. Legal troubles are more a consequence of circumstance: Get caught with pot in the wrong environment and there will be trouble. The legal irregularities are a negative potential incurred by smokers, but hey, they are good at "feeling" things out, right?

As far as addiction: It is entirely to certain people. But so are almost all addictive substances, hence the potential for moralizing. I cannot handle marijuana: If I decide to smoke once, I am guarenteed a good month or two of accomplishing nothing other than getting stoned, playing computer games, and forgetting plenty. That is why I don't smoke, although if it were harmless, I would smoke continuously.

But if you can handle it, toke away. Just don't start too young; I thing a lot of the educational problems of America are directly related to teenage marijuana consumption.

Alas, LNT, no one can really do studies to prove that educational issues are a result of marijuana, because you can't really go up to a failing student, ask "do you use marijuana frequently," and make the conclusion they fail because of it.

I must admit, I'm having *thoughts about cannabis* all day and night, even in my dreams... :rolleyes:

And -now i know what smiley the boards really need next, I just realized, there's no :smoke: smiley so for now i have to use this... :sick:

@Death Rabbit - Nice post, exactly my words if I could speak english ;)

Then light up one, Lynadin!

Just kidding.

No smoke smilie, but there's this one :hippy:

This is turning into the pot smokers RBP :shake:

@ LNT

I can naught but agree with you,,,

@Oli: Agreed. I would rather call it a "General Discussion about Weed" :D

Good topic, I am a stoner too and I am not suprised to see so many others smoking. For several decades marijuana has been the most favored "recreational drug". People are not so stupid as to fall for the occasional government lies that are spread about weed to get people to stop smoking it... people will continue to grow it until it is either legalized or people are killed for having it... And even then it will still generate a similar revenue.. I dont know about you guys but marijuana is a big part of my life and millions of other people all over the world... we will see what time has in store for us..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4484704.stm

The "decriminalisation" in London appears to have smoked the butt.

"We have real problems here with crack and heroin - and I can tell you that it's not cannabis that ruins people's lives." That was nicely said. Thanks for the link, Carcaroth.

Prohibition is stupid. Hard drugs screwed and still screws many people's life - it should be these drugs that law enforcement should fight against - not against your occasional pot smoker, who is just having harmless fun. I used to consume shrooms because the buzz is SOOOOOOOOO damn funny, but I stopped that. And I did so without problems. However, I never touched acid, cocaine, heroin or any of that crap, and I never will. I saw too many people destroying themselves with this ****ing junk, and besides, I've got only one damn life to live and I don't want to screw it.

Long live recreative Marijuana - Death to hard drugs.

The truth about Cannibus will tick you all off.

The information I am about to share is all true. research it for yourself if you have any doubt.

Cannibus is Illegal because of several facrtors.. but mainly
Racism, Politics, War and Greed.

Fact.
Hemp was the one the largest commodities back in the days of the confederacy.
George Washington, the father of our country was a hemp Farmer.

Fact
White people where called farmers not slavers, but they did nothing close to farming. They left the farming to the mexicans and the blacks.

Fact
Farm workers "slaves" loved to smoke the crop. Mexicans where moving in fast in the southern states. Taking jobs as farmers and smoking weed. The White Politicians in the North feared the spreading of the mexicans and their weed and wanted to do something.
The Tax was born.
Fact is.. outlawing it entirley was out of the question... too many farmers grew hemp. By Taxing it, the farmers where protected, but the workers who took weed from the fields where not.

So when did Cannibus become illegal?

Fact - Prohibition
When the Politicians outlawed Alchohol.. three things happened
1.) The mafia sold it and got rich fast
2.) people would brew their own.
3.) people starting smoking marijane
It was around this time that Alchohol was made to be OK.. and Canabis was put on Prohabition.
But the Laws about cannibus where never truly enforced.. people continued to smoke it.
Thw War on Drugs begins.
The White House, hires a crack pot of a scientist, who after injecting THC into dogs brains determines that Cannibus will make you insane.
So its printed all over,, that using Cannibus will make you crazy.. the term Wacky Tabbacky is coined and what follows is a mess.
for over 2 years,, a large number of defendants claimed temporary insanity caused them to do their crimes. The smoked a Joint and went nuts.
This freed 100's of murderers, rapists, and all sorts.
Later.. Viet nam.. the Draft... Draft Dodgers.
make Love not War, protests, riots, concerts, Marijuana.
The Governement really stepped up the War against Hippies, err marijuanna around this time.
And that war continues today.. not because of viet nam.. or racism but because of politics.
Clinton " i didn't inhale"
Truth is, Politicians are just now getting to the point that they will admit taking part in activities that are not very Politicly correct. But even so.. to let down their guard over the longest fought battle in American history.... no one wants to be the first one to let that happen.

The US Government has yet to provide any evidense what so ever that Marijuana is dangerous or even as bad as or worse than drinking alchohol or smoking cigerettes.

The Govt however will show statistics that they believe prove that MJ is a bad thing, including the alarmingly high number of people who have gone to rehab to try and quit. " which does not mean jack crap.. because when you get busted for having any amount of MJ on you that Judge will order you to goto rehab (yay! 1 more for the statistics).. not like doing it actually does anything for you." But the Govt would like us to believe that MJ is addictive and will cause your brain to die slowly.. they just dont want to prove it.

[ December 29, 2005, 22:51: Message edited by: Magelord ]

Wow - what a way to make your first post on the Boards!

LOL.. true..

I have come to the site forever.. never wanted to post anything till now. LOL

Wow, judging from the posts everyone AND their mom does cannabis, but the poll results say otherwise...

I have never tried it nor plan to.

I really don't care if people use it, you only live once after all, why not live it doing what you want to? (as long as it doesn't harm anyone else of course :) )

Aye, but it can harm other people. I wrote a paper (not a great one, but the facts are true) on effects of drugs on driving, and apparently smoking one joint slows your reaction time by 41%, and smoking two slows it down by 63% Personally, I don't want to be near that person when they are in a difficult situation with vehicles.

Of course, I don't care if people smoke marijuana in their homes. As long as they don't do anything involving other people soon afterwards.

The US Government has yet to provide any evidense what so ever that Marijuana is dangerous or even as bad as or worse than drinking alchohol or smoking cigerettes As soon as they do, they should ban all three: Drugs other than alcohol result in 18% of motor vehicle driver deaths.
16,695 people died as a result of drunk driving crashes (39% of all motor vehicle deaths).
[Statistics taken from: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drving.htm]


THESE ARE PREVENTABLE DEATHS. Had the person not taken that drug or substance, the people they killed wouldn't be dead.

The US Government has yet to provide any evidense what so ever that Marijuana is dangerous or even as bad as or worse than drinking alchohol or smoking cigerettes. That's exactly why it's illegal, because it can't harm you (by itself) in any way. Smoking can kill you, alcohol can kill you, guns (2nd amendment) can kill you, automobiles can kill you, fire (stove/oven) can kill you, etc. We like our population dead or dying, by gumm, and we won't have any of this pansy user-friendly drug! Stick some razor-blades in it, and then we'll talk. ;)

I smoke regurarly hashis and i want to say a couple of things.
First of all it is better to smoke weed than cigarettes because with one joint you can get "high" for more hours not needing another one.
I'd rather smoke a joint and drink not alcohol than the opposite
I never drive when i am stoned and frankly i know that many who do are more cautious than the people who don't smoke.
But the bottom line is simple.
If you don't exercise self control and restrain you can get yourself in pretty bad situations even if you don't smoke cannabis.
So don't blame cannabis blame the person.
That goes for alcohol too (allthough i am strongly against drinking quantities of alcohol)
finally i still smoke pot, i have a work that consumes most of my time and is very difficult and object oriented (meaning i have to have very good technical skills and updated knowledge etc) and i really like when at the end of a long and tirefull day, i go home and have the choice to light up a joint and ease the tension out, nothing beats that.

I too avoid driving while stoned. I prefer to walk, because there's always something funny to giggle at like morons for hours. :shake:

But I definitively agree with Mithrantir - I work night shifts, and while the fact that I am nocturnal helps, night shifts aren't always easy. So to blow off some steam and relax, nothing like a honey-coated blunt (that's surprisingly good, try it) and a bottle of Coke Zero. And I'm not harming anyone by smoking my blunt in my living room.

Pro-choice, people, pro-choice. You don't smoke, that's your choice and fine with me, but at the very least respect MY choice.

Law enforcement should worry more about the hard drugs out there (crack, heroin, cocaine, PCP, LSD, that kind of stuff). Those screw FAR more lives than marijuana ever did.

DotW, I am perfectly fine with what you just said. As long as you are in your living room, and not somewhere you can hurt other people, it's fine. Marijuana can't kill you by smoking it (although, I'm sure its bad for your lungs), and it affects no one else if you are doing nothing out of the ordinary.

I honestly think we should crack down on alcohol and cigarettes before anything else... at least opiates and other hard stuff is illegal, so its not available to everyone, whereas alcohol is far easier to obtain and misuse. I'm not saying alcohol is bad when contained, but they should make laws for bars preventing the sale of a certain number of beers per person, and maybe the numbers (of deaths and injuries) would go down.

As more cigarettes, don't even get me started.

Weed certainly can't be worst to me than cigars possibly were, Saber. Can't say I'm sad to have become a non-smoker.

But I believe efforts should be split between alcohol, tobacco and hard drugs. All of these are, to a variable degree (highest for hard drugs), deadly plagues.

As soon as they do, they should ban all three: Drugs other than alcohol result in 18% of motor vehicle driver deaths.
16,695 people died as a result of drunk driving crashes (39% of all motor vehicle deaths).
(Statistics taken from: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drving.htm) Don't Fall into this trap.
"Drugs" are more than likely to be 18% or higher the cause of traffic deaths. But "Drugs" does not equal Cannibus.
X, Coke, Herion, speed, ludes, barbs, etc etc..
I bet there are more traffic related deaths by Glue sniffers than there are by MJ Smokers. But who needs to see that statistic, it sounds better just to lump MJ with the other drugs and use them all as a single stat.

Be very wary of statistics.. read the fine print.. Their are alot of powerful, influentiual people who want to make MJ look like a deadly evil thing and will say or do anything to get that message across.

I dont smoke it myself.. I use too.. but then again i use to have alot of friends who had quality stash. These days.. for me to start again.. I would have to take alot of chances.
For me.. MJ can be deadly. It can be deadly for you as well.
Why?
Well Imagine Milk was made illegal. That you could not buy it at the store anymore.
So, if you want Milk, you have to buy it from some guy in an alley..
But where diod this milk come from? how was it processed? whos to say thios guy didn't pee in it, or add water to it, or mixed in some old rotted milk to make a buc. How can you drink this not knowing what the heck is in it?
Thats how I feel about MJ right now. I just dont trust that guy in the alley. Mess around with him and end up smoking a mix of Rat Poison and fabreeze.

While I agree that statistics shouldn't be swallowed whole, I think claiming that cannabis products don't affect your reaction time *at all* is ridicilous and against common sense. It reeks of an anti-authority attitude for the sake of it - not much different from some people's unquestioning anti-pot attitudes. Nothing what the other side says can ever have even the slightest fraction of truth. :rolleyes:

And that is the very reason why I recommend to all Mary-Jane smokers out there to start their own greenhouse. It's the only to be 100% sure about what you are smoking. I have been growing Blueberry for many years now, and I know that the only possible chemical in my weed is 20-20-20 fertilizer. Not to mention that is is *FAR* more economic.

I too avoid driving while stoned. I prefer to walk, because there's always something funny to giggle at like morons for hours. [grinning, shaking head] You are in my mind :thumb:
I prefer walking and listening to music (ipod rulez :) ) too, elevates the mind.
I want to add that it is always dangerous to buy something if it is to be consumed by you or anyone.
Are we forgeting the cow disease in France? and other parts of the world.
Can any of you be absolutely sure for what he is putting in your mouth??
I think not
And as for the statistic above is the possibility of drug use for medical purposes being merged with the other drugs, ever considered?
But please don't put Cannabis in the same spot as the other chemical produced drugs (Cocaine, heroine etc)
Yes Cocaine is based on a plant Coca but the process that results in the final product that people sniff (mpliaxxx) is at least frightening.
And i want to say one last thing.
Here in Greece Marijuana (allthough is widely spread) is considered as a first step into the road to become a drug addict (that is heroine junkie etc).
Which is the biggest lie i've ever heard.
Because it is the stupidity of people that drives them to try these drugs out and fall in the trap.
I have seen junkies (a lot of them and in various conditions) and i'd rather shoot myself than shoot my arm with a needle.
There are people though that get eluded by this illegal aura, that draws them likes **** draws flies.
I strongly believe that the many also who tried Cannabis and quit, did it for the same reason (illegal things tend to be more attractive and image builders :rolleyes: ).
I believe that decriminalization of Marijuana would make a big portion of people not so interested in trying something they don't really want to. Furthermore it would save a number of people (with a psycological tendency to dependence) from hard line drugs because they would easily and legally find something that would give them that much needed high without the phisiological/psycological dependence that other substances do.
But always there should be a measure ( excessive use is always bad for your health) even the air can kill you for that matter.

ipod rulezNah, Creative Zen Micro rules. But that's another story.

Anyhoo, it is true and pretty sad that the myth of marijuana being a portal to higher drugs is still firmly believed. I agree with Mithrantir, no one forces you to consume harder drugs, this is a personal choice. No one forces you to snort a line of cocaine. No one forces you to take a shot of heroin (the very thought of those two things makes me shiver). And once in the trap of hard drugs... it is hard to get out. I have seen many people, both friends and family wasting their lives on hard drugs. The laws should be tightened around the fight on hard drugs and loosened on marijuana.

But I certainly am not an angel either. Shroomz-gobbling was common in high school years, just as pot smoking, and mixing the two together was (Free tip: Shroomz & Mary-Jane = One seriously ****ed up dude).

But then again, in risk of repeating myself, for all Mary-Jane smokers out there worried about what they are smoking, start your own greenhouse. It's seriously worth it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4582818.stm

The UK is looking at re-classification (again). It was downgraded a couple of years ago, but a medical review has been held over the last 12 months.


... John Henry, a clinical toxicologist at St Mary's Hospital in London, told BBC News there was a "strong link" between cannabis and schizophrenia.

"It's probably about four times commoner in people who smoke cannabis regularly," he said.
Ignoring the poor use of English...
Cause or Effect folks?
For information, Schizophrenia affects about 1% of the general population, (so approximately 4% of canabis smokers I would assume) but accounts for a fourth of all mental health costs (US statistics) - about $63 billion a year

http://www.schizophrenia.com/szfacts.htm

OK, possibly better differential odds than getting liver disease for alcoholics, or lung disease in smokers.

DotW: Not a smart recommendation. Getting caught with a small amount of marijuna is a relatively minor offence. Growing your own turns you into a dealer in the eyes of the law (and now is a much stiffer penalty). Your choice though -- I have never seen the allure in drugs and have no problems with sending those who distribute illegal drugs away for a long time.

Personally, I feel use of illegal drugs should only be a fine. Selling/producing illegal drugs should involve prison time -- the time should double if a minor is involved.

Blah, I'm resurrecting an ancient topic.

Selling/producing illegal drugs should involve prison time -- the time should double if a minor is involved. I agree partly with you, T2. I agree that the production of hard drugs (cocaine, heroin, well the chemical crap) should be punished to the maximum possible.

But as for the little Joe Average starting their own greenhouse, what if they grow their grass for personal use, and do not sell a single gram? They're not selling, so they're not harming anyone . I have stopped growing Blueberry because I'm smoking FAR too much weed recently. I NEVER, ever sold a single gram to anyone. In fact, no one ever knew I was growing grass. So I never harmed anyone by selling, because I never did.

Damn I hate M-J. My roommate spent the entire last year stoned, and he really got on my nerves. The worst one was this year when I was trying my best to get with a girl and he appeared and started chatting to her and mucking around while stoned.

That, ladies and gentlemen is categorical proff that marajuana leads to homicide.

I tried pot cakes once and didn't like the effects. Still, to each their own. I think it should be allowed. People are responsible for what they put into their own mouths - and for whatever stupid things they do afterwards. ;)

Have any of you ever wondered why cannabis is illegal?this (http://www.schizophrenia.com/sznews/archives/002708.html) is why.
Oh, and this (http://www.schizophrenia.com/images/marijuana.gif).
I've never smoked pot in my life, and after reading this, I never will.
I can see the point here behind the want for legalisation, though; if pot is legal, then they'll be able to focus on the important drugs, like heroin and cocaine.

Idiot edit: links now fixed.

[ April 17, 2006, 22:40: Message edited by: Mediocre Man ]

I drink far too much alcohol (should cut down), but no drugs.

I've only ever had cannabis once ,and was put off for life as I was ill for 2 days. I was drunk when I took it, which was a bad idea. But whenever I think about it, I just feel like throwing up.

Excuse Mediocre Man but both your links point to Microsofts start page.
Are you implying that Microsoft is behind the demonization of Marijuana? :D
Anyway i have read many medical reseaches about marijuana and its effects.
Contrary to the one Carcaroth has presented was a research of a French univercity which revealed that most people that smoked pot are more calmed and easy going than the guys who don't.
Truth has many faces and we can't see them all.
But choice is essential. And the freedom to trully have and take a choice.

@Mediocre Man:
The problem with your links is an extra "http://" at the front. Once I deleted that from my address line, the links worked fine. It's actually a good reason for me personally not to smoke MJ (as my grandmother had paranoid schizophrenia, so I may be pre-disposed), but I doubt that would hold true for everyone here. A great many people have smoked cannabis for most of their lives without developing schizophrenia.

A great many people have smoked cannabis for most of their lives without developing schizophrenia. True. It's even better if that's home-grown grass without chemicals. I grew (and smoked) 100% natural Blueberry (well, except the 20-20-20 fertilizer) for many, many years and I'm still doing fine today. Unfortunatly, you can't trust stock bought in the streets. There's too much junk in those, as I have already stated.

Contrary to the one Carcaroth has presented was a research of a French univercity which revealed that most people that smoked pot are more calmed and easy going than the guys who don't. Well, that depends on the person. Some can be much more relaxed, others can be no different and other can be totally hyped. There are no two identical cases.

Cannabis Sativa affects your mind, if you are pre-disposed for certain mental illnesses it serves as a trigger and catalyst for an outbreak of a dorman condition. I work in a psychiatric ward and I have seen numerous psychosises triggered by cannabis.

Simply put, it ****s with your mind. For most people it has no severe consequences (even if lnog term use seem to develop mental conditions in people whether they are pre-disposed or not) but this romantic and idealistic view of cannabis is a mockery to the young kids I have seen tied down in their beds screaming obscenities and threathening to kill us all after a cannabis triggered psychosis.

Cannabis Sativa Why especially Sativa? There is also Indica, and Ruderalis. They're different in the type of high they trigger, even though Ruderalis is more for industrial uses rather than smoking. The only Ruderalis with psychotropic effects are the fruits of genetics.

Mediocre Man: But does weed cause the disorder or are those predisposed to or inflicted with drawn to the weed?

I spent my younger days in the seedy walk of life. I can tell you right now that dope does different things to different people. It will turn some people as sweet and happy as a Care Bear. It will also turn others into a hyperactive mess willing to take on any and all comers in a bar without any reason. Just like alcohol.

I asked my roommate to write a piece defending his use of MJ, but he's found Cartoon Network and Doritos.

On a more serious note, the main side effect I notice in ibserving the students of my school is finding their hands fascinating, watching RomComs, and eating Pot Noodles (they were named that for a reason, eh!) without adding water.

The whole notion that the government can protect the people from themselves is, IMO, idiotic. People are going to do what they want, regarding their lifestyles, and if the government tries to stop them, they will still find a way. If the "War on Drugs" has proven anything over the last 30 years, it's that simple fact.

So people should not "drive or fly airplanes" while under the influence? no sh-->. :rolleyes: They probably should not drive and talk on their cell phones at the same time either, but morons do anyway. This is a healthcare issue and should be "controled" as such. People agree the government can "regulate" our healthcare closely, like through the FDA, and it can solve a lot of drug related problems, if given the same time (30 years) as the "war on drugs." Yes, I believe in the power of education over prisons, as long as it's not "mass media education." Just say "no?" Yeah, right...

But what would really happen if we legalized "most" illegal drugs? We would have to close half of our prisons, layoff half the police force, unclog the entire criminal justice system and get rid of a lot of lawyers. And a lot of poor folk would no longer have the stigma of being "criminals." Heck, that's half the nation's economy right there. On second thought, maybe we should NOT make drugs legal; it would cost too many jobs. Besides, we all know the poor belong in prison, when they are not working at McDonald's or Walmart.

Wow, Chandos, such sarcasm! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

You're right about driving and talking on a cellphone being dangerous. It's appearantly more dangerous than driving drunk, or stoned. Yet some morons still do it. What now, will the goverment outlaw cellphones? :rolleyes:

Anyhoo, back on topic now. Mary-Jane should be the ONLY drug legalized, to allow more of our wonderful justice system to focus on the war against hard drugs, who ruin FAR more lives than Mary-Jane ever did. I've said it before, and I'm saying it again.

I spent my younger days in the seedy walk of life. I can tell you right now that dope does different things to different people. It will turn some people as sweet and happy as a Care Bear. It will also turn others into a hyperactive mess willing to take on any and all comers in a bar without any reason. Just like alcohol. Or either it will drop IQ to that of a houseplant (completly vegetative state), make someone start giggling like a moron uncontrolably (happens often to me), yammer non-stop, or simply completly insulate one in his own "bubble". Beren's right, the variety of effects of Mary-Jane is very broad.

Well, that depends on the person. Some can be much more relaxed, others can be no different and other can be totally hyped. There are no two identical cases Or either it will drop IQ to that of a houseplant (completly vegetative state), make someone start giggling like a moron uncontrolably (happens often to me), yammer non-stop, or simply completly insulate one in his own "bubble". Beren's right, the variety of effects of Mary-Jane is very broad You have to cater to your weakest person. If it affects most people negatively, then why should it be legalized? I am not saying it does, but I think we should look at the possibility that while it doesn't affect you (too) negatively, DotW, it can seriously hurt other people, and it should be treated as something that does.

Eh, as long as people who are high don't go out and do things like drive cars, I'm fine with it. Have fun, don't die, and don't hurt other people.

I tried it a couple times when I was a teenager, but haven't since. My job does random drug testing, and they frown on nurses doing weed.

and eating Pot Noodles (they were named that for a reason, eh!) without adding water. What's wrong with that? They are among the best munchies food. But I prefer corn chips and Diet Pepsi :yum:

I tried it a couple times when I was a teenager, but haven't since. My job does random drug testing, and they frown on nurses doing weed. Blech, that sucks. My current job did a drug test after my interview, and I guess I should be counted as lucky that my boss closed his eyes on the positive THC result. He asked me straight about my smoking habits, and I told him in all honesty "Every once in a while when at home to relax". That was good enough for him, BUT if he ever finds me welding when stoned, I'm automatically fired. I wouldn't toke before going to work, anyway. That would be stupid. Oh, and you're a nurse?

When I used to smoke, I never got high on the job. But when it was the end of the day, then all bets were off...

Have any of you guys tried vaporizing? I hear it's a lot easier on the lungs.

I'm for legalizing pot, as I've read several reports here in Sweden which explain that it's not as dangerous as much of the booze sold today. And, as long as that booze is legal, then pot should go the same way.

Have any of you guys tried vaporizing? I hear it's a lot easier on the lungs.Aye, it is a lot easier on the lungs if done properly. The process of vaporizing heats the cannabis to release the T.H.C. molecules but does not ignite the plant material.

Have any of you guys tried vaporizing? I hear it's a lot easier on the lungs. Yes, it's MUCH more healthy. I should probably do that instead of smoking honey-covered blunts.

My bro brought me some Northern Lights #1. Great stuff. Buzz similar to Blueberry, less expensive. The nirvana?

I'm for legalizing pot, as I've read several reports here in Sweden which explain that it's not as dangerous as much of the booze sold today. And, as long as that booze is legal, then pot should go the same way. Indeed. I completly second that.

I use it often enough to be called a consumer i guess, but cannabis is legal in holland, as long as it's for your own use. :)

No no no no no no no. Never tried that rubbish and never will - say what you like about schools here, but most people, while stupid, are actually quite sensible. A girl was talking discomtemptly about some guy smoking marijuana today. Even my goth/emo friend refuse to smoke that stuff though he probably have, and me and my friends are completely against it.

I consume cannabis and I have nothing against it. Yet, again better with self-control and our self-preservation :) . I try not to fall much under it, as I work, study and have responsobilities. Much more than when I was in high school and I could smoke all day and night without giving a fu*k.

I don't consume cannabis and I have everything against it.

The main question I ask is "Why consume cannabis?". To me it's probably to fill some void in your life. Frankly I think relying on some type of substance to change your mood is weak and pathetic.

I have friends who smoke it and although I still respect them as friends they all know well and good that I will shun them if they are under the influence while I am around.

In the end it turns people into absolute twits and although it might be funny the first time it gets on my nerves trying to deal with them, sometimes I wish they'd just piss off and die... and don't get me started on how angry it makes me when they keep offering it to me when I've told them many times before that I've never wanted any, I don't want any and I never will want any.

Good for you, Abomination and Deathmage. Good to hear there are some level-headed youngsters in NZ, like Rotku. :thumb:

I don't take drugs, but I have nothing against cannabis and the like. I would rather see people smoking that crap than bombing women and children in foreign countries.

From the Washington Post:

"We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."Smoking marijuana protects against cancer? (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html)

I am currently smoking MJ while writing this.

Who gives a **** if weed can kill me? I certainly don't. I'm juggling work and school and it's pretty tiring, and smoking a huge honey blunt is my way of relaxing after a long, unpleasent week.

As for MJ giving or protecting against cancer, I'll say it again, who cares? Death is the only thing that is certain in this ****ing bull**** called life. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I prefer to live 60 years full of whatever defects you can think about than 100 years of a straight-edge life.

Yeah, yeah, call that an exaggeration if you want, it still reflects what I think.

Disciple of The Watch, if you find your life so ****ty, maybe changing what you do would be better than to just smoke weed every now and then. If being high is the only highlight of your week or day, maybe you should ask yourself if the other stuff is realy worth doing.

Disciple of The Watch, if you find your life so ****ty, maybe changing what you do would be better than to just smoke weed every now and then. Yes, I am dropping out of that damn class in about two weeks, so already my weeks will be a little less crazy.

I cannot afford to drop work, however. Those damn bills won't pay themselves by magic, so I have little choice in the matter. I like welding, true, but not enough to make a career out of it.

At any rate, I won't be going back to school until january, which will allow me to blow some steam and also carefully think my next move in regards to school.

But back on topic, smoking MJ isn't the highlight of my day, as you would say, but is IS nontheless a way for me to chill out. I'm fairly certain my consumption of MJ will lower once I'm no longer stuck in what I'm currently.

But as for now... MJ is like Prestone; it helps me chill down.

i smoke frequently, not oftenly and i wouldnt legalize it, because soon enough we will have kids on heroin.
i have also tried harder drugs like amfetamine and cocaine, not pro-legalization there either

i smoke frequently, not oftenly and i wouldnt legalize it, because soon enough we will have kids on heroin. Why would that be? That's just rehearsing the old "Marijuana is a portal to hard drugs" story. And MJ is NOT ALWAYS the said portal. Of course it HAS BEEN for some, I don't deny that. I've been smoking MJ for... uhh... hold on... seven years, I believe. I have only took ONE step higher, in shroomz, but I have NEVER done any cocaine, heroin or crap like that. The very *thought* sends shivers of disgust down my spine.

So people, MJ DOES NOT always equal trying harder drugs.

I smoke frequently, not often and I wouldn't legalize it, because soon enough we will have kids on heroin.That, my friends, is what we in Critical Thinking call a "slippery slope" argument. This type of argument attempts to claim that a course of action will inevitably lead to another with very little basis for this claim.

So, in layman's terms, this statement is baseless and an attempt to equate a mentally addictive low-class narcotic which can cause schizophrenia or depression in certain individuals with frequent abuse with a heavily addictive, high-class narcotic which can easily kill you with abuse, or just ruin your life through the addiction.

So, if we were to legalize cannabis, how our children magically transfer themselves to, as my Psychology teacher so eloquently put it, "mainlining the smack"?

Oh, yes, because pot and smack are exactly the same.

Who gives a **** if weed can kill me? I certainly don't. I'm juggling work and school and it's pretty tiring, and smoking a huge honey blunt is my way of relaxing after a long, unpleasent week.Just a quick clarification - unless you choke on it or suffer a catastrophic allergic reaction, weed can NOT and will NOT kill you. There's never been a single case of anyone dying of a Marijuana overdose. Ever. It simply isn't possible. Cigarettes and alcohol are both perfectly legal, and just the opposite is true. Thousands die from the abuse of both every day.

Marijuana also has no addictive properties whatsoever. So those saying marijuana is just as bad as, or "the next step" to, something as severe as heroine simply don't know what they're talking about. Heroine hooks most people with the very first hit, and it's extremely difficult to break the addiction (some say impossible). The likelyhood of overdosing on the first hit of heroine is also quite high, too.

Everyone here can rest assured that Desciple is perfectly safe, and won't be found slain by the dreaded MJ. Neither will anyone else.

Fair enough, i dont know why i said that, i really don't.... maybe i was drunk
i think i had some reasons for not legalizing it but i cant remember them
well, i'm for legalizing it as well, and might smoke more

g'day to y'all i have to go drinking now

There's never been a single case of anyone dying of a Marijuana overdose. Ever. It simply isn't possible. It IS possible, but you have to smoke 1 1/2 times your own weight in weed, but that is just impossible. So, theorically, it's possible, realistically, not a chance in hell.

Marijuana also has no addictive properties whatsoever. So those saying marijuana is just as bad as, or "the next step" to, something as severe as heroine simply don't know what they're talking about. Agreed, but appearantly some develop some sort of "mental addiction". I had a buddy of mine who went into rehab for his "weed addiction". I wasn't sure if I had to had to roll my eyes or encourage his decision.

Everyone here can rest assured that Desciple is perfectly safe, and won't be found slain by the dreaded MJ. Neither will anyone else. True, true. I've been toking for six years, and I'm no worst. MJ doesen't kill. But dying high? That sounds great! Imagine the scene - a blunt as weapon of the crime, and the MJ plants being the first suspects. :lol: :shake:

I cannot afford to drop work, however. Those damn bills won't pay themselves by magic, so I have little choice in the matter. I like welding, true, but not enough to make a career out of it.
Maybe buying less MJ would lower your bills...

And I know a guy who got addicted to marijuana... I am skeptical, just because it isn't like opiates or pyschostimulants in that it is physically addictive, but I guess he did have a mental addiction ("I think I need it...").

Just a quick clarification - unless you choke on it or suffer a catastrophic allergic reaction, weed can NOT and will NOT kill you. There's never been a single case of anyone dying of a Marijuana overdose. Ever. It simply isn't possible. Cigarettes and alcohol are both perfectly legal, and just the opposite is true. Thousands die from the abuse of both every day.
A bit misleading here. Marijuana has the same effect on your lungs that cigarettes have (inhaled burned organic compounds are not good for you). Driving under the influence of marijuana is dangerous -- it may not be quite as bad as alcohol, but it still impairs driving skills (I believe nearly 38,000 accidents were attributed to marijuana influence a few years ago).

It was quite common for many years to add a kick to low potency majijuana -- in the form of PCP. This is quite dangerous and can be deadly.

Driving under the influence of marijuana is dangerous -- it may not be quite as bad as alcohol, but it still impairs driving skillsAbsolutely... I think I already linked it here, but I read somewhere that smoking one joint lowers your reaction time by 43%, and two lowers it by 61%, which is hugely significant.

@ T2 A bit misleading here. Marijuana has the same effect on your lungs that cigarettes have (inhaled burned organic compounds are not good for you). Driving under the influence of marijuana is dangerous -- it may not be quite as bad as alcohol, but it still impairs driving skills (I believe nearly 38,000 accidents were attributed to marijuana influence a few years ago).Two clarifications for my...um, clarification. ;)

First off - Marijuana has a similar effect on your lungs, yes, in the sense that in both cases you are breathing in smoke, which our bodies aren't designed to do. But the modern cigarette has so many additives, carcinogens and added chemicals to drive down production costs, increase addictive potency and preserve the tobacco that smoking a cigarette is indeed many times more harmful to the human body than smoking a joint. Aside from added THC, marijuana is more or less untouched when it gets to the user. If we were talking about fresh-grown pipe tobacco, then I would agree with you.

Second, driving under the influence is dangerous, true. But I'm not talking about accidental deaths related to marijuana use, I'm talking strictly abouts deaths as a direct result of the marijuana use itself. Those simply don't happen - freak accidents and undiagnosed medical conditions excluded, of course.

I'd be very curious to see some real studies on the results of MJ versus cigarette smoking regarding lung disease. I would not be surprised if cigarettes were worse, as DR points out. Does anyone have some real numbers?

Maybe buying less MJ would lower your bills... Buy? F*** that, I *EDIT* used to grow my own stock. I've stopped that.

Marijuana has the same effect on your lungs that cigarettes have (inhaled burned organic compounds are not good for you). One word: vapourization.

[ June 01, 2006, 01:10: Message edited by: Disciple of The Watch ]

uh, DotW? It's the vaporization of those organic compounds that INCREASES their toxicity, either by releasing or creating new compounds in combustion, or by transforming something that had been too large to pass into the body by respiration into a form where it can now enter. It's vaporization that makes tobacco harmful.

Any difference between the effects of pot on the lungs and the effects of tobacco is due to the compounds (including any additives) within the substances themselves, not the physiochemical means by which those compounds are inhaled.

CtR:

While using MJ regularly does appear to cause an increase in certain types of cancer - like cancer of the bladder - and also causes reduced fertility, it does not appear that MJ leads to an increased risk of lung cancer like cigarettes does - From WebMD:

Marijuana and Lung Cancer
Although both marijuana and tobacco smoke are packed with cancer-causing chemicals, other qualities of marijuana seem to keep it from promoting lung cancer. The difference rests in the often opposing actions of the nicotine in tobacco and the active ingredient, THC, in marijuana, says Dr. Robert Melamede of the University of Colorado in Colorado Springs. Whereas nicotine has several effects that promote lung and other types of cancer, THC acts in ways that counter the cancer-causing chemicals in marijuana smoke. Lab research indicates that nicotine activates a body enzyme that converts certain chemicals in both tobacco and marijuana smoke into cancer-promoting form. In contrast, studies in mice suggest that THC blocks this enzyme activity.

Lung cancer is not the only issue with inhaling smoke (of any kind), also from WebMD:

Chronic marijuana smoking may lead to emphysema, a serious disorder in which areas of lung tissue are destroyed and replaced with cysts, according to a paper published in this month's issue of the journal Thorax. The way people smoke MJ makes the person even more susceptable to emphysema (take a deep breath and hold it... hold it...). The retention of the smoke particulates for an extended period make them more likely to be absorbed onto the tissue of the lungs and can lead to emphysema.

Buy? F*** that, I grow my own stock. That can get quite expensive, too. It's called a raid and leads to significant jail time in the US (growers are automatically considered distributers). The DEA is authorized to confiscate your home, car, boat, ... basically anything they consider was used in the trafficing of drugs. Oh, yes, if your growing this at your parents home the DEA can confiscate THEIR home if they do not testify against you (i.e., they would be considered accomplices in your crime).

[ May 31, 2006, 15:38: Message edited by: T2Bruno ]

growers are automatically considered distributers Oh yeah - if you grow pot, there's a whole bunch of stuff you can be charged with. In the U.S., here's what you're looking at:

1. Possession (obviously - the good news is it's only a misdemeanor)
2. Production of a controlled substance (felony)
3. Producing a drug also carries a mandatory charge of possession with the intent to distribute (felony)
4. Possession of drug paraphenalia (sp?) (misdemeanor)

So that's a minimum of two felonies and two misdemeanors. The two felonies on a first offense (although I don't know if they'd consider them both 1st offenses - maybe because they occurred simultaneously) carry prison terms of 1-5 years each, which you may not be allowed to serve concurrently.

Buy? F*** that, I grow my own stockAnd its free to grow? Besides what the other two posted, even if you aren't caught, doesn't it cost money for seeds, fertilizer, etc?

I don't think you have to fertilize weed. Of the very limited number of people I have known who have attempted to grow MJ, they just buy some sun lamps, so the only thing it costs you is some extra electricity and of course you have to water it. As for seeds, well, there are usually seeds in any purchase of MJ you make, so you'd only have to buy it once. After that, the plant itself will produce more than enough seeds.

Unless Desciple is growing a TON of weed (for which I would be impressed), you seriously don't need to spend very much. No one thinks of growing a tomato plant in the backyard as a back-breaking expense, and it's more or less the same here.

Fertilizer isn't necessary unless you're growing and harvesting at an accellerated rate. All you need is a few seeds, a 2-10 gallon flowerpot, half-decent soil and a light source, and you're good to go.

Well, I did some careful thinking on the topic, and I've decided to quit smoking MJ. I don't know why it strikes me now, or why, but I've decided to get rid of the bad habit. For those interested in why, see my post in RBP.

[ June 01, 2006, 01:51: Message edited by: Disciple of The Watch ]

Actually, I don't think I could afford to smoke marijuana. I struggle to make ends meet as it is. I know I definitely couldn't afford to smoke tobacco.

Wasn't this topic dead and buried a long time ago ?

DotW, I applaud your strength. Best of luck to you.

From what I've heard, there's some heavy sweating and trouble sleeping coming down the road. But it's all about willpower. I hope it goes well.

Bah. He will find it's easier to quit then one assumes.

Feeling hot and cold all at once, restless, for a few nights and that's that for the most part. One has to get used to a constantly clear mind. An unfamiliar sensation after years of fog.

Definitely not that difficult - and rarely will the old times be missed, believe.

It's no worse than alcohol, infact it's better in that you don't feel like **** after a binge on it, the feeling and the effect it has on you is much more positive than what alcohol does to you. I think that if cigarettes and alcohol are legal, ganja should be legal too. It's not highly addictive, although it is addictive, I've smoked enough of it to know that myself, but addiction will only come from excessive use. I don't take much in the way of drugs anymore, but I don't rule them out, especially not ganja. An occasional spliff isn't going to hurt anybody, ask a doctor if you don't believe it, it's the people that smoke 40 cigarettes a day on top of a bunch of spliffs that get lung cancer. Everybody should try it, if they haven't already, at least a few times, then they can make up their own minds about it.

Ganja is a lot better than alcohol, you're right there mate.

Someone does a hit and run - is he drunk or high?

Some bloke gets aggy and starts fights with people - is he pissed or high?

You can't get rude and aggressive on pot because it is ****ing impossible. Weed has a much better effect on you than beer does. I just don't like smoking, never have and never will. I don't know why, I just don't like the taste or feeling.

"Human society will always have a drug problem unless life without drugs becomes a more attractive prospect to those concerned."
-prot, K-PAX

The very nature of life often leads the best of people to need mood enhanchment of some sort or an other. Some people use booze to let of steam or to help them relax, some turn to religion to give them hope and comfort. Others may see a therapist or take meds such as prozac or paxil. Why marajuana has such a bad reputation I have no Idea. It has a number of medical uses, It can be used to produce textiles, oil, minor pharmaceutical products, and heavey crop growing is also helpful in reducing air pollution.

@Bassil: A cynic might say that marijuana has been given a bad reputation because it cuts into the profit margins of the big alcohol and tobacco companies.

I would say that is not a cynical view, but rather a god given fact. A man named Gatewood Galbraith ran for governor here in Kentucky a few times on the platform of legalized marijuana, he used to say that the pharmaceutical industrial military complex wanted to keep this and other alturnatives away from the common man. That if we ever had access to simple agriculture base product that any poor person could benefit from both the production and use of it would completely change the power structure in this country.

Just a quick update for those who give a damn, it's been two weeks since I stopped today, and I've faced some sleepless nights (I still occasionaly do), but apart from that, it's not so bad. My brother seems to be facing more difficulty than I am, however.

Just make sure he doesn't go back for any sympathy smoking.

Also, you should try to make sure he doesn't get into anything else to cope with not having MJ (not suggesting anything about his will power, I'm just saying)

Also, you should try to make sure he doesn't get into anything else to cope with not having MJ (not suggesting anything about his will power, I'm just saying) Like hard drugs? No. I know my brother, he would never get into that crap. My will saving throw is just higher than his, that's all. :shake:

No, seriously, I'm sure he will make it through okay. He is my *brother* after all. Like me he has faced worst things.