View Full Version : Crime and Punishment, on a personal level


Iku-Turso
Fri, 22nd Dec '06, 4:24pm
This is me being stupid again, but if you'd want to dicuss of any crimes you've done and/or punishments you've gotten for them, feel free to do so. It's confession time!

I might have done something quite illegal. :doh:

I acted in the spur of the moment...but there's only a small chance that I'd get caught.

It's still a possibility however. Slap on the wrist, bad me again. But now I'm really scared that I would get caught, though. :mommy:

I guess what I did was a fraud...I hope that they'd notice that the information I gave is bogus and leave it at that. I'm not getting anything out of it, like any stuff or anything, like for instance I didn't buy a spiffy mp3 player or anything like that...but still, a crime's a crime...I'm really hoping that no-one would bother to come after me...

Man, I'm sorry already. What was I thinking...no, I wasn't thinking. Damn!

Master of Nuhn
Fri, 22nd Dec '06, 5:21pm
To quote Shawshank Redemption: "Me? My lawyer f***ed me. Everybody's innocent in here. Didn't you know that?"

I actually can't think of anything "worth" mentioning. Sure, long ago I sometimes put some more candies in the bag after I weighed it and put the price on it. I didn't always pay my traintickets. But such things seldom happened.
I crossed so many red traffic-lights, that I stopped for green once. On a bicycle, I should add...

[ December 23, 2006, 20:36: Message edited by: Master of Nuhn ]

Dragonfly
Fri, 22nd Dec '06, 6:13pm
I'm thinking that this could make a very interesting survey Iku. I would be interested in seeing the results if you decide to post one. I would imagine there are very few people who have not at some point in there lives commited a minor crime whether it be shoplifting as a child, stealing from the internet, or cheating on taxes. If there are any people on this board that have commited a major crime they might not be interested in posting it on a thread but they might be willing to put it in a survey.

I've commited a few very minor crimes in my life including smoking a joint or two which is kind of an "invisible" crime in this country as long as you don't try to sell the stuff or use it in large quantities.

kuemper
Fri, 22nd Dec '06, 8:06pm
Theft and vandalism lo so many, many years ago.

Disciple of The Watch
Fri, 22nd Dec '06, 8:18pm
As a kid, both my friend and I did shoplifting for many years - until I got caught, after which I retired. The massive stash of chips, chocolate, soda, gum and stuff like that was pretty cool and handy to have, and we even made a couple of bucks out of it by selling some of the stuff at discount price to friends. Ahh, those were the days.

Some vandalism to my active too.

Nowadays, I just lay low because I love my freedom too much to even consider risking it.

JSBB
Fri, 22nd Dec '06, 8:37pm
The somewhat common it would appear shoplifting and vandalism as a child. Back then I also was involved in the occassional fist fight with the other boys my age, including giving a couple kids a bloody nose, and I suppose assault charges to all those involved would probably fit too.

I suppose you could say that I, along with just about every other driver out there, am regularly guilty of speeding.

From time to time the goods I bring back from vacation may be a little undervalued on my customs declaration card. I suppose that if those goods were actually undervalued it would be considered either fraud or smuggling. ;)

I have never been caught at anything though. :angel:

Trellheim
Fri, 22nd Dec '06, 9:23pm
Mostly vandalizing: Throwing eggs at other people's cars, rocks at streetlamps. I even remember a broken window (with an icy snowball).
In short: I threw a lot of things.

Never stole anything, except money from my parents, but that's not illegal, since they 'made' me, I'm part of them so they're actually stealing from themselves. Well, atleast, that's the excuse I use.

Much fighting, though most of the time I got my butt kicked from older kids (including a broken nose).

Then there's smaller: jaywalking, (a lot of) underage drinking, downloading... etc, etc...

Never been punishement by anyone else except my mother and brother.

BTW, is stealing shopping carts a crime?

Bahir the Red
Fri, 22nd Dec '06, 9:32pm
Pre-teen years: shoplifting, vandalism, breaking and entering, involved in a couple of car robbings (parked cars without no driver in them that is), and probably a few more things. Never got caught, even though there was a police "hunt" a couple of times (we used to terrorise a post office not far at all from were I live, throwing empty glass bottles, snowballs and crackers at the building (the crackers caused a minor fire, which led to a "hunt")). In the summers, we used to throw apples at cars, in the winter snowballs.

I can't say I regret any of it, because it serves no point. That time of my life is the best part of my life, because I had so much fun (not only with the illegal activities but other stuff as well). Since I kind of got distanced from my childhood friends, I have not commited any major crimes, and only a few standard minor ones.

jaded empath
Fri, 22nd Dec '06, 9:37pm
Hmm, couple of shoplifting incidents in youth. A few cases where I parked illegally or 'got away' with an expired meter. (handful of cases where I got ticketed, tho :D ) Plenty of minor speeding and jaywalking.

:skeptic: Hmm...

Um...abandonware (which I still think of as technical theft) aplenty.


and....well, :idea:

Oh, yeah! Negligent manslaughter.

Duffin
Fri, 22nd Dec '06, 10:06pm
Just your typical teen crimes. Underage drinking, vandalism (throwing eggs at windows), urinating in public places :p , selling/buying pirate DVD's. I guess the worst crime I've done was selling alcohol to underage kids (I was and still am underage myself) but in hindsight I guess that could have been fairly serious if anything had of happend to them. Me and a mate also did this thing where we'd change the stickers on stuff in shops, so that they were cheaper, not sure if thats actually shoplifting or not.

Saber
Fri, 22nd Dec '06, 10:19pm
I almost got arrested in Barcelona for pissing on the corner of a 4 way intersection at 2.30 in the morning. I swear I looked around before I did it... those police cars are nearly invisible!

No stealing or anything for me here, I never felt the need.

Some downloading stuff, which is illegal, I guess, but I do it to spite the RIAA (I buy the stuff thats not on RIAA labels, but download the stuff that is :D ).

JSBB
Fri, 22nd Dec '06, 10:23pm
Well I would have to add downloading - but the only Canadian court case that I know about decided that it o.k. here. :thumb:

Abomination
Fri, 22nd Dec '06, 11:26pm
Self defense taken a step too far where I broke the fingers on both a guy's hands, his nose and his ankle...

Speeding...

That's about it.

Never been prosecuted though.

nunsbane
Sat, 23rd Dec '06, 4:00am
Speeding...110 in a 65 once. 107 in a 55 another time.(m.p.h.)
Drugs...dope,LSD(never liked acid - don't like dope anymore.)
Vehicular assault...unintended
assault...intended
Solicited a prostitute(twice)...lame experiences - discovered it doesn't work for me.
numerous traffic violations...it costs $95 to use an emergency vehicle turn-around in Michigan.
Vandalism.
Theft...media,merchandise,alcohol...
Breaking and Entering.
Trespassing.
Under-age drinking.
Resisting arrest.
Leaving the scene of an accident.
Maybe others...

Most of my unlawful activities occured in my teens and twenties and most went unnoticed by the law.

Felinoid
Sat, 23rd Dec '06, 4:09am
Successfully (as in didn't get caught) shoplifted a little $1 item when I was a kid; didn't enjoy the feeling at all and never stolen since.

"Trespassing" on school property during school hours. I went to the roof at lunch time because it was the only quiet place in the whole f***ing school, and I ended up getting dragged through the school cafeteria at lunch time by two security guards and getting fined $75 dollars or so. All because a couple punks couldn't stomach that I was braver than them in climbing that ladder, and ratted on me. Apparently, having no lock on that door or hatch, and no prohibition against going on the roof, is sufficient grounds to grab some money from someone who just wanted some goddamn solitude.

"Improper use of a disabled placard." I was too busy taking care of my dying mother to catch the bus, so I had to drive to school or miss a big test. The only place there is to park without a permit (which I didn't have because I usually take the bus) is the handicapped spots. They towed the car, meaning I had no way to get home, OR to get Mom to her surgery the next day. This based upon what...seeing me leaving the car? :rolleyes:

"Failure to pay a fine." Lost the tickets for the 'fraud' I perpetrated, so I couldn't pay them. Now my license is invalid for two years because I was too busy taking care of a dying relative to search through the entire house for a couple slips of paper.

And finally, "driving without a license", though I thankfully haven't been pulled over yet because I'm a GOOD driver, unlike the majority of actually licensed idiots out there. F*** you, Johnny Law, I'm not going to starve to death because YOU think I shouldn't have a license because I value family over strict adherence to the law. As Mr. Garrison would say, "You go to Hell! You go to Hell and you die!"

Aikanaro
Sat, 23rd Dec '06, 1:19pm
Piracy ftw...

Enagonios
Sun, 24th Dec '06, 6:07am
Piracy is a crime?? :eek:

:p

Man, Bahir and nunsbane, you guys did some hardcore stuff :eek:

On my part, just some minor (recent) drug use. I've also been drinking since I was.. 14? But I think that's pretty normal.

I've egged a couple of houses and cars too, but only of some guys I went to school with and that totally deserved it.

I'm not really into the whole "do it bec. it's wrong and gives me a rush" vibe. I'm more of a "is the payoff worth the risk" kind of guy, and usually it isn't so I abstain. I'm quite a rebel though and don't take stupid rules and regulations and such very well.

oh. wait. I probably stole around 10 FR novels from my high school library :D They were pretty hard to find at the time and they started my FR addiction (Thornhold by Elaine Cunningham was my first ;) )

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oh yeah. hit and run on a parked car too. we got caught for that one though. i wasn't the wheelman but we were all wasted as hell.

Goli Ironhead
Sun, 24th Dec '06, 9:56am
Well - aside from filesharing, which nobody seems to care he - urinating in public place is only thing to come in mind. But I'm not talking about something like climbing up a statue and taking relief above a crowd. In Finland there are plenty of trees and bushes everywhere, so nobody's ever even noticed anything.

Oh, and I usually return books to library a bit late, but I always pay too. Although I don't know if it's a crime.

I'm tame, I know :)

Kitrax
Sun, 24th Dec '06, 10:10am
Oh, and I usually return books to library a bit late, but I always pay too. Although I don't know if it's a crime. The only *crime* is the outrageous late fees they charge! $1 per day?!?! For shame! :nono:

As for any 'crime' I may, or may not have commited...I must plead the 5th. :p :evil: (for all you non-US people, the "5th" is the amendment basically says, "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury" along with a bunch of other stuff.) :rolling:

Duffin
Sun, 24th Dec '06, 1:31pm
Oh Fel reminded me with his anecdote about climbing on the school roof, I once broke into the school sports cupboard with a mate and stole loads of cricket bats, football nets, football's stuff like that. I don't count that as theft though as it's from school and not a shop. By the looks of this thread 95% of people must have commited a crime at some point in their life. :p

Morgoroth
Sun, 24th Dec '06, 1:48pm
Fraud a couple of times. Screwed a little money from the government. Not much and not really a "big lie" but still. I doubt they could even make a case against me in that one since it's mostly their screwup anyway. I just did not bother to inform them of that. :p

Underage drinking, got caught of it a few times too. Allways got away with a warning, but they confiscated the alcohol so I was seriously pissed at that time.

In the military I broke the military law several times. I only got warnings for those and never really was caught of the more serious rule breakings.

I suppose theft too since I borrowed a couple of books from my old school and never bothered to return them. Their own fault really, they should keep track on the books they borrow out.

I'm also responsible for sharing and downloading copyrighted material, abandonware mostly. I don't support piracy in general so any stuff that can be bought I'll buy instead of piracy.

I've been a couple of smaller fights but they were small and no one got really hurt so not really a big deal.

That's all I can think of right now. There might be more that I just can't remeber right now.

EDIT: Oh, and speeding of course. :p

Kitrax
Sun, 24th Dec '06, 3:25pm
Ok, now that I've had time to think about it, here's a few.

Breaking curfew. Did it several times, always got off with a warning when I got caught, except for the last time, when I was 17.

I am quite fond of fireworks. Mortars, bottle rockets, roman candles, and other "illegal" fireworks are my favorite. Just because they are illegal in the crummy state I live in doesn't mean that I won't go out of state to get them on occasion. :evil:

Supporting under-age drinking. Hey! My wife is 1 year younger then me...so when I turned 21, it only seemed fair to get her drunk once or twice. :D

Two words: Bit Torrent. 'Nuff said. ;)

Tax evasion. I worked for this guy remodeling houses for about a month. He paid me $10 an hour under the table.

Speeding/reckless driving. Ok, got a new car, a full tank of gas, and a 10 mile stretch of semi-deserted highway in the middle of nowhere. You're telling me you're not going to see how fast your car can actually go? :evil: BTW, I got my Jetta up to ~120...it took awhile, but it was sweet.

Leaving the scene of an accident/not filing a police report/driving a car without insurance. My wife hit me with our other car as we were taking it to get serviced. Seeing as how it wasn't insured at the time, we avoided any troubles with the law/insurance companies/driving records by keeping it quiet.

Destruction of property. I've slashed a tire or two in my day. They all deserved it though...so it's not a crime to me. One guy deserved it so much, I almost pulled out my handgun to get him off our doorstep at 3am one night. (the tire slashing came the next night as payback.)

Theft...if you consider sneaking into the movie theater as theft. :p

That's all I can think of right now. I'm sure there are some other's I'm forgetting... :rolling:

Aikanaro
Mon, 25th Dec '06, 6:18am
Breaking curfew. Did it several times, always got off with a warning when I got caught, except for the last time, when I was 17.... You have curfew ...?

Enagonios
Mon, 25th Dec '06, 8:43am
He probably means his mother? or newlywed wife? :confused:

(for all you non-US people, the "5th" is the amendment basically says, "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury" along with a bunch of other stuff.) Ah, thanks kit. Always wondered what that meant when they say it in the movies. It's like a catch-all answer that lets you off the hook (however making you look guilty as hell :D )

Kitrax
Mon, 25th Dec '06, 10:45am
... You have curfew ...? Utah State Curfew...if you're under 18, you can't be out past 00:00. If you're under 21, you can't be out past 2am IIRC. At the time, I was under 18. :rolling:

Equester
Mon, 25th Dec '06, 5:35pm
brokken a car window with a stone (the car was parked) a long time a go.

climbed on roofes, where i used to live all the houses hae near flat roofes, and stan in long lines, so when drunk i used to find it amusing to climb up on them and run a long them. until one night where me and a friend got cought for it, we were really drunk, the police didn't arrest us, they where quite nice about it and send us home.

streetlamb shaking, wrecked a fence made of light wood once, burned benches and gardenchairs in a bonfire with some friends a summer night and so on, back in my early teens. ( i went to a prety ****ty public school and while i got good grades, i ran with the wrong kind of people, not that its any excuse for my actions).

but i have never done anything that hurt anybody or could have hurt anybody.

Gnarfflinger
Tue, 26th Dec '06, 6:53am
In my younger days, I used Drugs and pirated software. Now a days, it's easier to just buy the game than it is to get it through dubious means...

ChickenIsGood
Tue, 26th Dec '06, 9:21am
An assortment of traffic violations- speeding (never more than 15mph over on a 55mph road), driving with passengers (odd state law), and other little things, nothing huge.
Urinating in public (not in the middle of the street, more like a field by the road with good bush *pun* cover)
I suppose piracy counts (but the great John Hancock was a smuggler and it is only a song at a time)

EDIT: I deleted the other three because they were were commited against my friends in the course of 'friendly' competition.

[ December 27, 2006, 21:19: Message edited by: ChickenIsGood ]

Barmy Army
Tue, 26th Dec '06, 11:40am
I'm a good boy, I don't get involved in law breaking. You bad, bad people.

Master of Nuhn
Tue, 26th Dec '06, 4:04pm
BA, you prbably fall under that kind of people that agent Smecker (Boondock Saints) talks about, drunken in a confessionchamber: "..., but the law has miles of red tape and loopholes for these c**ks**kers to slip through." :p

Utah State Curfew...if you're under 18, you can't be out past 00:00. If you're under 21, you can't be out past 2am IIRC. At the time, I was under 18....
Living in America. So much for freedom.

8people
Tue, 26th Dec '06, 11:56pm
Only thing I've ever done is mild theft, just little things at school or what people don't want, you know, things like spare sheets of paper or materials that are too small to be of any use in a project. Nothing that wasn't going to be thrown out anyway.

Also I have done a little piracy, I use it as a preview, if I like the music I hear I delete it from my hard drive and go buy the CD when I get money, sometimes I keep the music after buying the CD so I can put it on my mp3 player or replace crappy game music :p

Overall I attempt to avoid harming people in any way, I won't steal things that still have use and I will not pirate things (yes, I realise it's still stealing) without later deletion or purchase as I believe in supporting companies and bands. Though I know a few people who are of the opinion "music should be free for everyone" and "Why bother buying it now?" attitudes :rolleyes:

Abomination
Wed, 27th Dec '06, 2:37pm
Curfews... lordy lordy lordy. How I pity you people from the land of the free. Awesome if you're working late shift at some store to save for your education and you get arrested on the 500m walk home.

Barmy Army
Wed, 27th Dec '06, 2:43pm
Curfew... balls to that! Talk about an authoritarian system.

Cúchulainn
Wed, 27th Dec '06, 2:54pm
Curfews for adults?

As for my current crimes, I brought 4 cans and 3 bottles of Guinness into the US (forgot the Cuban cigars) so the locals could sample the real thing, and of course I indulge in a wee bit of illegal downloading.

As for downloading music. I always purchase what I like and delete what I don't. If it wasn't for illegal downloading, I would not have discovered such excellent and obscure music.

jaded empath
Wed, 27th Dec '06, 3:41pm
Lordy, all this hyperbolic reaction to a state-government-mandated curfew? Have you told them Utah's a 'dry' state yet, Kit? ;)

...

EDIT: Huh, after digging extensively around on the wiki, web in general and even utah.gov, I'm finding that only *juvenille* curfews are in place there, mandated by the municipality. :confused:

Kitrax, you wanna check the title of the act/document that details this law so's I can track it down? (dangit I'm so obsessive about this sorta thing :( )

Harbourboy
Wed, 27th Dec '06, 8:51pm
I'm a good boy, I don't get involved in law breaking. You bad, bad people. Now that you mention it, I don't think I do any law-breaking either. The police should come and read this thread and lock up the lot of you!

ChickenIsGood
Wed, 27th Dec '06, 9:21pm
As for downloading music. I always purchase what I like and delete what I don't. If it wasn't for illegal downloading, I would not have discovered such excellent and obscure music. Pretty much the same here.

Late-Night Thinker
Wed, 27th Dec '06, 10:18pm
Armed Robbery---I held up a store when I was 16. I got caught too. My punishment: I had to hike the Appalachian Trail for a month. For those of you whom have never heard of the trail, it runs from Maine to Georgia, and hits every peak along the way. It was one of the best experiences of my life. Go juvenile legal system!

Umm...so lets think...

Breaking and Entering, Robbery, Selling Narcotics, Buying Narcotics, Assault and Battery (fancy way of saying a fist-fight which I won), Shoplifting, Vandalism, Public Drunkenness, Public Nudity, Underage Drinking, Growing Marijuana... I don't know, I forget a lot of it...probably the marijuana...

I certainly spent my youth. But now, at 26, I am quite different. For example, I am freaking out because my one guinea pig had a bloody nose during the night. I hope she is OK.

[ December 27, 2006, 22:49: Message edited by: Late-Night Thinker ]

Caradhras
Thu, 28th Dec '06, 1:13am
Seems to depend on where you live, I wouldn't consider smoking a joint a crime... I never stole anything. I used to do some speeding but I'm getting more careful with the years (driving in the mountains at 120 km/h is not that safe anyway).
I'm a law abiding citizen. :p

The Shaman
Thu, 11th Jan '07, 5:05pm
Er, let's see... I'm not sure I know the Bulgarian laws so very well, but I could have made a few mistakes here and there.

Using pirated software - er, it's happened, particulatly before they opened an official retail store in Bulgaria.
Underage drinking - er, check, I think - I was 16 or so.
Complicit in drug use/sale - check, I'm not turning school friends because they wanted to buy and smoke a joint or two
Public defamation - if it exists as a law, check, but then again, swearing at politicians is not that rarely done imo.
Assault: check, mostly in primary school. Okay, not much, I don't have the hand-eye coordination for a good fighter, and I was big enough not to be a prime bully target.
Breaking and entering: a neighboring house as a child. It was abandoned, so I don't know if it counts.
Vandalism: check. I think I've left the school desks in good condition, overall, but I've done my own contributions to the crappy poetry that was written on them
And I guess I could be liable for a case of sexual harassment, too: I slapped a classmate's behind in high school. While she gave me a look, afaik there were no worse consequences.

Gnarfflinger
Fri, 12th Jan '07, 11:13am
Now that you mention it, I've had a couple fights, been drunk in public and definitely took a whiz in public places. I've probably trespassed. Once I did drive drunk (I thought a couple hours had passed so I could get us home safe, and was in better shape than my licenced brother), Driving without a licence...

Shoshino
Fri, 12th Jan '07, 11:16am
drunk and disorderly for me

Kitrax
Fri, 12th Jan '07, 1:41pm
Kitrax, you wanna check the title of the act/document that details this law so's I can track it down? (dangit I'm so obsessive about this sorta thing Do what now? I'm too lazy for researching law stuff...but I'll give you the link the the "official" website of the city that I lived in when I got picked up by the cops.
http://www.ci.west-jordan.ut.us/ :rolling:

Balle
Wed, 17th Jan '07, 10:45am
here it goes.

storing selling using buying and transporting drugs, never busted though, and i dont use any more
Assult: been in a few fist fights lately, got tickets for them as well, no trial though
trespassing
vandalism, various windows, mailboxes, bikes and a moped or two
theft, bikes and stuff like that, shoplifting
speeding, dui and crossing red lights
pirating and distributing music, films and games
gambling
public nudity
public disorder
public drinking, no one has ever gotten busted on this one though
maybe there are a bit more...

oh, and i'm a good boy nowadays, only drinking...