Tal, you spoke about a sequal to Baldur's Gate some months ago, said that you was sure about a third part of the saga. So I wonder if you (or others) got any new infomation. Happy for answers.

[ November 13, 2003, 22:29: Message edited by: Taluntain ]

No new info. Anyway, you could look for the original topic in the ToB forum and post there. Moving this to ToB.

Hmm... If BG3 would be the continue of the Saga what will be the story then, when you are a god? What if you have to create armies, and fight against the other gods' armies? Or defend your folk? And who will be the party ? That won't be a good idea... Now, you are a god, so you cannot die. May others. Have you got some ideas? What will be your stories?

It wouldn't continue the saga. It would be a new game using the Baldur's Gate name to attract customers. There of course may be some references to the other Baldur's Gate games in it.

Just like IWD2 wasn't a continuation of IWD.

[ October 23, 2002, 21:22: Message edited by: Blackthorne TA ]

Fools thats why there is IWD 2 and Neverwinter Nights to replace BG 2

Imagine in BG3 you could be a new priest kit:

Priest of (your name from BG2)

Like "Priest of Davaeorn", if I had used him to beat TOB. :D

Or how about Baldurs Gate(an RPG) turns Real Time Strategy? Instead of the party of 6, you lead a whole army!

[ October 24, 2002, 05:06: Message edited by: Davaeorn ]

I'd really rather it stay as an RPG. I'm on board with Blackthorne, don't continue but make references to the other parts. Maybe move it towards Waterdeep to the North rather than South.

Why should it stay on the prime plane? I think it would be cool to play on a different plane. :rolling:

You seem to be forgetting the ending choice of not becoming god. It could be a continuation of that. It would probably turn out like IWD or NWN in the fact that you wouldn't have anything particularily special about you

Hey it could be story about heroe's(half-god) children :)

I don't know what would be a good idea, but the Baldurs's Gate games hold a special place on my computer. They are such excellent games that drag you into the storyline and hold a certain magic to them. No offense to go out there to NWN lovers, but NWN really doesn't hold the same status in my book as the baldurs gate games. :(

I love the BG series but it's time to let them rest. To make a third game would do a grave injustice to BG and BG2 (including their respective expansions.) Really, what's left to do? There's not much fun to be had playing as a god, what can kill you? where's the challenge? And of course there's the other path, not becoming a god. What's left to do there? by the time you end the game and if you elect not to become a god you already are uber powerful anyway.
Let the saga end, it's a classic series of games, don't destroy it by proposing more ideas for a story that has ended.

According to a note that I read (I believe it was in the ToB manual) the Baldurs gate series was intended to be an "epic trilogy." However, Throne of Bhaal counts as the third installment of this trilogy.
To be honest, I believe that Throne of Bhaal was a satisfactory finale for the whole series and anything after that would be rather ridiculous. The story has ended, the battle is over, the "Where Are They Now" has been written, and I really don't want to see Haer'Dalis on VH1. End of rant. :D

I too think the BG saga is finished for good.
:(
Though it is a shame for such a good series to end there is nothing great left to do. :(

And i wouldnt want to see it turn into Might&Magic games ;) :D

I wonder if any of you read the posts before you reply to them. BTA repeated what I already stated in two or three BG3 topics before this one. A Baldur's Gate 3 would only use the same name to attract the attention of people who played the previous games, and to cash in on the famous and recognizable name. It WOULD NOT be a continuation of the Child of Bhaal saga. That one is OVER with ToB. I don't see why this is so hard for people to understand. It's not nuclear science, it's a very simple concept. :rolleyes:

[ October 24, 2002, 21:17: Message edited by: Taluntain ]

Instead of BG3 I'd rather whant a new storyline at a new place, why not in the huge city Waterdeep, using the infiniy 2d view of course.

And let it be bigger, like BG1, and 2 in one game, and most important...much harder.

Almost forgotten: KITS!!! No damn 3'd edition or something like that, let it be just like BG2!

Any new game would likely not be AD&D, since 3e is going to sell far more copies. It's the newest, so naturally the most popular.

Also, while I would love to see a resurgence of the Infinity Engine, Bioware and BIS did say that IWD2 would be the last IE game.

I've just found this news:


Baldur's Gate 3

Baldur's Gate 3 - erste Infos

21.05.2001 19:59 Uhr - Ist Thron des Bhaal doch nicht das Ende der Baldur's-Gate-Reihe?
Laut Interplay ist nun doch eine Fortsetzung der beliebten Rollenspielserie geplant - wobei allerdings die Engine erneuert wird. Baldur's Gate 3 wird demnach dreidimensional sein.
Eventuell wird in Baldur's Gate 3 also dieselbe Grafikengine Verwendung finden wie im jüngst angekündigten Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, das vom selben Entwickler kommt.
It says that Interplay plans to make Baldurs Gate 3 with the Graphicengine from Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic.

Source (http://www.pcgames.de/?article_id=8782)


:)

I've just checked the page out. The "news" is from May 2001. Let's face it, there isn't going to be a Baldur's Gate 3, ever. The story finished in TOB. Bioware are only doing NWN-related stuff (shame!). Black Isle are doing Dark Alliance 2. Icewind Dale II is almost certainly the last ever commercial Infinity Engine game. You need to look to the BG2 mod community to seek new thrills - there's a Dragonlance mod in active development and the authors reckon it'll take as long as SOA to go through when it's finished.

Finally, if there WERE a Baldur's Gate 3 game in the works, don't you think we'd have heard something? It would be the biggest release of the year.

Erebus - "Fools thats why there is IWD 2 and Neverwinter Nights to replace BG 2"


I dont know if I should laugh or cry.
Even Pool of Radiance RoMD is better than NWN, and that says alot I think. IWD2 is good though, but lightyears away from the BG games. There is no substitute for Baldurs Gate period.


But sadly, as said, if there was any plans of a BG3 I think we would´ve heard something to.

*Decides to cry after all*

Yet again I would point to the fact that NWN wasn't meant for Singleplayer. It was multiplayer all along. So start trying that instead of yelling how bad it was in the main module.

As for the BG3 thing, all I've heard is that IWD2 was the last IE game and that I wouldn't continue the Child of Bhaal.

I dont actually think that the singleplayer plot was that bad. It´s how it works. No companion control, the wicked bad camera works and so on. Nothing apealing at all in that game to me.

Although, even if there will never be another BG game, I hope that they will make more games using this engine. Why stop with a winning project?

If they do make BG3, I doubt they would resurrect the Infinity engine, and I hope they don't. It's creeking with age, and something new needs to be innovated. Maybe something like the Warcraft 3 engine would be nice. As great as the infinity engine was, it has a lot of flaws and limitations. Considering all that's been developed in gaming technology since BG2 came out a few years ago, it'd be silly to keep making games with Infinity. They've made too many as it is. Story aside, BG1 & 2 and IWD 1 & 2 are more or less the same game. Having the Infinity engine work "well enough" is just an excuse to keep from coming up with something better. It's a hell of a lot cheaper and easier, from a development standpoint, to put a new paint job on an old car, so to speak. The new car will still perform better.

Coming up with something better? Like the Aurora engine? Which totally sucks ass, the Infinity engine is wonderful so perhaps upgrading it slightly or doing something with it would be great but new engine ? No thx

I didn't say the Aurora engine was better. Look at ToEE. That should serve as an example of what's possible in a modern RPG. The graphics are absolutely stunning, even if the game lacks a bit and the bugs are enough to drive you nuts. But the Infinity engine is old and outdated, period. That doesn't mean I think the GAMES that use them are past their prime. BG2 is timeless - I'll be playing it for years. But don't let nostalgia get in the way of progress and innovation.

Just try to imagine what games will look like 5 years from now. I can't wait. The Infinity engine will look like Pong compared.

@ Chris William's

You know if people are making mod's the size of Dragonlance using the infinity engine, then why not something based on the BG saga?

It doesent necessarily have to be set after ToB or on the original PC I'm sure that if we all think about it there could be dozens of different possibiliity's for a sequel.

There's lots of fan fiction stories on this site, www.fanfiction.net (http://www.fanfiction.net) and www.gamejag.com (http://www.gamejag.com) which have interesting possibility for an "after ToB" game. if it's set in the future it obviously has to be assuming it is based on if you decided to stay mortal, on another character or otherwise not a god because as someone else said there would be no challange in been a god.

failing that other things could be possible such as:

-setting it before the bg series as someone who fight's alongside gorien and co. where it end's up finishing in Candle keep after rescuing the main character for the proper storyline.

-or maybe a "what happen's in the time between killing Irenicus and saving the world from the five?"

-any other hole's in the series that Interplay diden't cover

Here's some good after ToB stories I know of which has other idea's

http://www.fanfiction.net/read.php?storyid=965875
http://www.fanfiction.net/read.php?storyid=858410
http://www.fanfiction.net/read.php?storyid=890283
http://www.fanfiction.net/read.php?storyid=953663

If you really wanted to come up with a sequel for ToB it would not be “that” hard at all there is a million and one ways around it if you really think about it. I mean do you really think a new story of some sort would beat the bhaalspawn saga ? I really don't think so

are you refering to a continuation of the saga or an entirely new plot Sarevok?

If you are refering to the former well I'm pretty sure that there are people reading this who would have a good enough imagination to at least come up with something half as good as the whole Bhaalspawn plot, which would be saying alot ;)

An entirely new plot I think would not be necessary, the continuation of the saga yes that would be more like it, and more often then not people say that continuing it wouldn't work but I really don't see why not :)

Any BG3 game will not be a continuation of the story. What would be the point? If such a thing should ever see the light of day, it will be something like IWD2 compared to IWD, i.e. some overlap of setting and events but fundamentally different campaigns.

What happened in iwd1 and 2?
I've never played it could someone give a ballpark explanation please?

I don't think another expansion to the original saga would work, at least not very well. It would be too hard to continue the story with any kind of depth, and the levels would just be crazy. The only thing I could foresee with that would be something like an RTS, where you are a god, looking down over your followers, making them stronger, choosing some to load some of your powers to so they could do glorious feats in your name, or some such. Or possibly your kid with whoever you romanced, and they have to avenge your death because of some powerful followers of an opposing god killed charname? That's about all that I can think of with a continuation of the Bhaalspawn saga.

You could have something similar though, with another god/godess, and be in a different place in the realms, and you travel to Baldur's Gate so you could at least give the title credibility. Overlappage sounds decent as well, though the final battle between the two for the god-power might be difficult, if that road was chosen for the ending.

Did anyone check the link's I posted?

by the end of ToB a full party could probably be powerful enough to kill some god's even as mortals anyway :)

I think It could still be challanging with some good enemy AI scripting. Maybe put in a few horde's of high level parties like level 25-30. I know from hearing about other people's expiriences that there are some incredibly hard ToB challenges in the Sola mod, most of them say that it's actually easy after a few tries.

honestly though what fight's wouldent become easy after the first dozen times beating it. :rolleyes:

Edit: I just had a thought for how to make a Bg 3 more challanging.
give the enemy's superior Item's and spells that only they can use.
It would turn it into better items, and spell's against intelligence.

[ November 16, 2003, 07:58: Message edited by: casey ]

What happened in iwd1 and 2? This isn't perhaps the forum, but basically, Icewind Dale 2 is set in the same area as Icewind Dale, but around fifty years later. You visit some of the same places and many events in the first game have ramifications in the second, but they are nevertheless quite different games. So you can see how a game set in the Sword Coast or Amn fifty years after the ascension of the Bhaal Child would work in a way that a game set immediately after the Throne Of Bhaal wouldn't.

umm just because we havent heard anything about it doesnt mean that they arent making a bg3. Half-life 2 has been in the making for 3 years yet we just heard about it this year. yes we knew they would probably make one, but no-one was sure with them popping out expansions to it left and right. maybe bioware and black isle are taking the same approach... with just one expansion and more games.

The difference between BG and HL is that Sierra never said "There will never ba a HL2". I dont know which company said it, but one of them said "ToB is the last thing we´ll make in the BG saga".

But keep your faith brethren :)

I do hope so but you see i don't think they can because of that legal crap with Interplay so i think that even if they wanted to, they couldn't or perhaps im wrong and i might be i have not a clue :)

Here (http://forums.interplay.com/viewtopic.php?t=34911)
I think that will clear everything.

Yep, that pretty much says it all for the time being. 'Tis a shame when something like that happens.

Yet again the bloated egos at Atari come up with something so amazingly idiotic. I wish Interplay all the luck in getting the rights back.

Yeah, you're right Beren, that's a real scandal. If things go bad, there won't be a D&D game for a long time :( .
*sigh* It really seems like I should buy TOEE , course it could be my last D&D game for a really long time :'( .

IMO, it would be odd to have sequel to a saga that was concluded so surely in ToB (even though I believe they could have done a lot better work with it).

Better to make a new game and new story.

Ignoring the obvious problem that no such game is being made, nor will be made, I don't see the problem with creating a new game in the BG line, continuing the plot of the Bhaalspawn.

Nor do I see the problem with the main character being a deity. In the Realms, being a deity isn't all that big a deal. The FR pantheon is a hotbed of politics. The Bhaalspawn god(dess) would need to accumulate worshippers to gain power, would need to keep Cyric off of his/her back, would have to deal with the conflict between the Weave and Shadow Weave.

I'm not saying this would ever happen, or even that it should, but I do believe it's possible. It would be a large departure from the other games in the series, in terms of gameplay, but so what? It would be pretty hit or miss (Black and White springs to mind), but nothing good comes from playing it safe. Or, more truthfully, nothing great comes from playing it safe.

Ah, but leveling up will lose all of its fun.

And just because you will be level 40+ does not nessicarly mean no challange, anyone that's played tactics, Ascension or Improved Sendai can tell you that. and regarding what path a sequel would take then I guess that could go both way's but my guess is that the mortality path would be the most likely to be most popular of the two, because of the option of having a romance just to name one good reason, (because they seem to be quite popular).

Well now they should have no reason for not releasing the infinity engine for the fan community. It would be really interesting to see what could be done with it.