View Full Version : Do we really want a BG3?


Ofelix
Thu, 29th May '03, 8:04pm
WAIT! I am sure many people out there would say "HELL YES" at the very sight of this topic. First why do (almost) of the SP-er has loved the BG saga? A realy good story, depth dialogue, great NPC, a FR game, true D&D conversion, a squale of XP (level 1 to 40), Romance ect, ect. First the Children of Bhaal saga is OVERS, a Children of the Children of Bhaal saga? I do not think so. So When people said they Want BG3 I think they just want a CRPG That has a Very good story just as good as BG one, depth dialogue ala BG, great NPC again As good as BG one, a true D&D conversion ala BG, Romance ect, ect. Why BG3? I think mainly because the least two CRPG ( NWN IWD II) weren't as great as the BG saga, so the SP-er would want to view something new, but with all the thing we've love about the BG saga.


That's was just my Point of view...sorry I couldn't help it

[ May 29, 2003, 21:50: Message edited by: Blackthorne TA ]

8people
Thu, 29th May '03, 9:35pm
I think they should do another game just like BG2 but with another storyline - same ruleset and choice and everything. Perhaps more NPCs and perhaps some from the BG adventures. Something that happens afterwards perhaps.

Perhaps at the beginning of the game somebody tells you the story of the Bhallspawn known as <Charname> and asks if you know the tale. Perhaps you could say about who they romnced, whether they became gods or not and perhaps continue the game.

Perhaps if you had BG/2 installed then they used characters from that in the story?

Mesmero
Thu, 29th May '03, 9:54pm
The whole Baldur's Gate series actually doesn't fit in the Forgotten Realms time-line. After making the series, they decided that it never happened. For the story line to remain in tact, it would be impossible, if millions of different 'bhaal spawn' became the new lord of murder, so they just forgot it all and let Cyric (IIRC) have Bhaal's portfolio. So, because of this, they'll probably never make anything that even referes to the BG-series, and because of the whole 3ed. D&D system that they currently have, I also doubt that they would make a game with the same rules as BG, but with a different story line.

trillex
Thu, 29th May '03, 11:34pm
When I first heard that they would only make an expansion to end the saga I was kinda disappointed. I believed that they could have made it bigger but now I realized that Baldur's Gate 3 would have been too much.

Err.. I would have written more but it seems that I'm too tired to think of something. Sorry.

Ofelix
Thu, 29th May '03, 11:40pm
I'm sorry but I'm not fammiliar with the FR time line I think the saga Happen after the Time of trouble right wich is about DR 1200 no?

Rotku
Fri, 30th May '03, 12:39am
I never really wanted a BG3 myself. I just want another really good RPG to play. And I'm hoping that Lion Heart should be that.

Oaz
Fri, 30th May '03, 1:00am
IMHO, there was enough closure at the end of ToB. A third one is not necessary.

What I would like to see is a Planescape CRPG in 3rd Edition. Only problem being Planescape was never fully converted into 3rd Edition. :(

Ameorn
Fri, 30th May '03, 12:20pm
I just want another really good RPG to play. And I'm hoping that Lion Heart should be that. I'm hoping for exactly the same... although i would REALLY like another FR game, but more of the epic style of BG than IWD. But for now, i'm looking forward to Lionheart and Star Wars:Kotor :D

Slappy
Fri, 30th May '03, 2:00pm
I'd like to see a BG3 provided that they moved back to the style of the first one in terms of story, sub plots and freedom while keeping the best bits of BG2 (more believeable character interaction) and the best bits of NWN (online play, editor and interface) (not sure which graphical style I'd prefer). I felt the trend from BG onwards has been to slowly dumb things down.

As for story, it would be possible to revisit the Bhaal sporn character and even import the one(s) you finished the previous games with. OK it might involve a convulted plot idea similar to the start of BG2 - you've been attacked/kidnapped/cursed/involved in an accident with/by powers unknown which has taken away your god-based powers and reduced to a level one 3rd edition character. I think most people could live with that, we all accepted starting BG2 imprisoned.

The other option is one that has been muted before, why not base games on the party members - Minsc the early years, Jaheira's Trials of the Harpers, Aerie Winges some more, etc, etc You could even have basically the same game but be allowed to choose which former party member you play as. The dialogue and a few quests could be changed to refelct this just as there were slight changes dependent on race, class, etc in the originals.

Of course it's not going to happen. I don't know how much the Bioware, Black Isle split affects the brand ownership but the chances are that anything we do see will just be a cash in on the name like the Playstation version was. Ah well, we can all dream.

Sydax
Fri, 30th May '03, 2:32pm
Ejem... just an idea: let's say (charname) becames a bad guy and you have to kill him...
just an idea.

Wordplay
Fri, 30th May '03, 4:00pm
Baldur's gate serie (or diology, whatever) has been put to conclusion, so I would hate to see some forced sequel. Example from the movie side: Alien 4. Third part already put an end to the trigology, but still they had to make "some sort" of an sequel -why to waste good brand when you could pump the last money out of it? The result was bad, and I believe that in BG's case it, too, would be bad. Better to make a new one, like Greyhawk ;)

If something had to be done to BG, I would like to see a remake of it. BG1/2 + exp in one package, with everything cleaned up, expanded and updated (in case of BG1 and ToB, it would prob. require a lot of altering).

Ofelix
Fri, 30th May '03, 5:47pm
That's exactly what I meant, some of you have said some Fancy Ways to have more of our Beloved BG saga, but What ye people realy want is another great CRPG. I think the upcomming Greyhawk Temple of the elemental evil and Lionheart may Fill our Bg-less heart...!

Aikanaro
Mon, 2nd Jun '03, 7:58am
I do not want another BG. A cash in on the name is just pathetic, and it probably wouldn't even use the infinity engine. I'm interested in seeing new games like BG. In fact, I'm interested in fixing my computer so I can run BG...

chevalier
Tue, 3rd Jun '03, 6:57pm
Of course it would be nice if they made it, but personally I'd rather play something Bhaal-less if you catch my drift, but with an equally as interesting or better more interesting story.

Still, a nice thing to see some further adventures of level 50 charname and his priestly elven companion :rolleyes:

LKD
Tue, 3rd Jun '03, 10:22pm
All I want is a game that keeps the BG interface and allows you to pick NP characters you can interact with easily. I could live without romance. I'd like more role playing opportunities, but fewer stupid riddles and games.

Rotku
Wed, 4th Jun '03, 12:37am
I personally loved the riddles and games! They were great! It's always good to have riddles in a game. Just not to many like in Betrail at Krondor (sp?). But riddles in RPGs are a must (IMO).

Erebus
Wed, 4th Jun '03, 3:47am
Well if their was a BG3, their would be one of two thing: A gameplay like Black and White, if you became a god. Or a game with horrendously powerful creatures, because, when one finishes Throne of Bhaal, you should be incredibly high leveled.

Aikanaro
Wed, 4th Jun '03, 11:21am
Urgh, yuck. Insanly high powered characters. How terrible. Why can't we just have noce low level games, where the character doesn't fly up levels in hours (like in IWD2).
Riddles are nice, so long as they're not overdone or really stupid and serve no practical purpose.

Loerand
Thu, 5th Jun '03, 3:24pm
If they make a new game they should really use the Infinity engine, it rocks!

Morgoth
Thu, 5th Jun '03, 3:32pm
Any forced sequal to an already ended saga will suck big time...

Think of the Alien movies.

Same goes with a follow-up to Planescape, be happy with how it ended, since it won't get better.

Enthasius
Sun, 8th Jun '03, 5:29pm
Perhaps instead of making the story follow your old BG2 character, they could make a completely different plot and story, it's just influenced enough from the BG story to make it another man/womens tale of what occured at the time after the Time of Troubles, just non-godly and just more a reactive story with the whole God spawn issue.....or whatever happens to become of BG3, all I know is I want to play some sweet PC RPG with the same flavour as the old game

Volsung
Sun, 8th Jun '03, 7:06pm
If it does not use Infinity Engine: NO NO NO NO!

And it must take place inside or around Baldur's Gate. Not in the darn Amn or Tethyr.

Daie d'Malkin
Sun, 8th Jun '03, 9:24pm
There should be a BG3, but I just want to carry on wandering around killing stuff as Charname even if I am level 40. Better than starting as a level 1 mage with 3 hp. PLusm I want to carry on the romances......

Harkle
Sun, 8th Jun '03, 9:55pm
ToB ended the Bhaalspawn saga for good. I don't want sequel (especially if characters would be god-level) - but new games are always welcome. If BG3 comes, it's name should be "Baldur's gate something" only if it's events take place in BG.

Daie d'Malkin
Sat, 21st Jun '03, 2:20pm
You could play as an avatar, or a cleric of charname, or charname if you didn't ascend. I was only level 25 at the end.

dshadow
Sat, 21st Jun '03, 9:01pm
I don't know if a BG3 would work mainly because starting a game at level 30 would pretty much wreck any kind of roleplaying aspect and be a pure powergaming experience.

That said, the best two games I've ever played are BG1 & 2 (though not necessarily in that order) and so if a BG3 came out I'd buy it. No matter what the storyline was, no matter how much bad press it got, no matter how awful it might turn out to be.

Part of me's tempted to say "let it lie" but another part of me is wondering "can they really make another game as good as Shadows of Amn?" If the latter, then go for it.

Jazza
Sun, 17th Jul '05, 6:22am
im not sure if any one has played prince of persia 2 warrior within, its a great game like the forgotten realm games except you can block attacks when you want.

prince of persia isnt a dice game like forgotten realms your attack is determined by a dice. if the games were more like prince of persia it would give you more control inside the game and also freedom

prince of persia :thumb:

:D i got both bg1 and 2 exp set the only problem is i lost the discs =( great game but they should cut down on their disks because if one gets damaged you cant go get another one you have to buy they whole game again =/


the forgotton realm games need to give the player more freedom

bg3 bring it on ill buy it!

sorry if people get offended its just an opinion and not an attack

fatherted
Sun, 17th Jul '05, 11:29am
Sure, making a continuation is stupid, but isn't it suppose to be a prelude to BG1?

Even if it is a prelude though, it would be better if it was more loyal to D&D and existed at some point in time.

Oh and to Mr. Prince of Persia...I think you're looking for a different game/topic/forum/site.

Goli Ironhead
Sun, 17th Jul '05, 12:28pm
Well, if it comes out ever, i might be temped to try it.
If it really takes place before BG1, it seems to be possible, that you would play as A) a priest of Bhaal, who dies in the end, B) A friend of Gorion, who helps him to destroy the temple of Bhaal...
Also, perhaps you play as Gorion, that would be of some value...
But probably it's just a hack'n slash, where you:" Kill, Kill, Kill, speak, Kill, Loot, Loot, watch sequence, kill, kill" etc...

Ofelix
Sun, 17th Jul '05, 4:33pm
Well it is now official that it will be a prequel. Nothing much is official yet. I just hope it will turn to be a good game. I think Bioware is NOT developing it, and that is sad.

Arianyr
Sun, 17th Jul '05, 5:36pm
if it's bioware, i'll buy it. if it's someone else ill send em a mail with my wishlist and tell them that if they do that, ill buy it.

another thing, the thing about baldur's gate is that it's more roleplaying, unlike the icewind dale which is all fighting and hacking and stuff...basicly, i want a baldur's gate.

oh, something id like to see in baldur's gate 3 is that , if every cleric npc follows a different god, that they ave access to different spells...seems logical, no?

anyway, i want them to take the player's handbook and follow it as closely as possible

nataben1314
Sun, 17th Jul '05, 7:40pm
First of all, it will NEVER be the same without our beloved infinity engine.

I predict a product with great graphics, that advertises its great graphics, that requires a $3000 computer to run its great graphics properly, and that sucks in the story/roleplaying department

Arianyr
Sun, 17th Jul '05, 8:20pm
....neverwinter nights?

personally, i think that'll be fine; they wont make it like neverwinter nights...i mean, people have been shouting it on every gaming forum imaginable, so unless the team consists of underdeveloped idiots, they'll listen...now if i could find out wether or not it's bioware developing it...if it is, i can sleep sound :)

Nakia
Sun, 17th Jul '05, 8:37pm
If Bioware is developing it I would probably buy it. If not I would wait for player reaction.

nataben1314
Sun, 17th Jul '05, 10:19pm
@Arianyr

The problem with what you say is that I don't think developers really DO look at gaming forums all that much. I mean what is more important to a developer (keeping in mind they are a private, profit-driven company): pleasing the overwhelming market-share with cool graphics and "hack n' slash" style playing... or pleasing the much smaller group of hardcore BG fans? With all the new consoles coming out soon, PC developers will need every gimic they can get to make a buck... which is why I fear that BGIII is destined to be a highly graphical hackfest with a poorly thought out story tying it all together.

Ofelix
Mon, 18th Jul '05, 11:53pm
Interesting Nataben1314, however Hotu listened to the community as Bioware has stated that they did listen to the community to see what they wanted the most. And as someone already said, the compagny developing BG3 is aware that they *must* do something really awsome if they want to please the fans. Baldur's Gate is a enormous game.

Arianyr
Tue, 19th Jul '05, 9:58am
@nataben: bioware isnt 'just a developer'...they'll listen, that i am sure of, but what worries me is that it's just impossible to listen to 'all' ideas since they are spread over tons of different websites.
can anyone tell me for sure wether or not bioware is developing it?

Ofelix
Tue, 19th Jul '05, 4:37pm
I am almost sure Bioware isn't developing it. As far as I know it's Atari (the publisher) who has the right to bg and decide the developer. And Arianyr's right, there is just too much ideasl. Plus some of those idea are just not makeable, plus some enter in conflict with each other

like:
-I want 2E with 2d by someone
-I want 3E with 3d by someone else
-I want a thousand ending by some imature freak
-I want to play a with the Killing-everything-Mighty prestige class by [i] a 14 years old fan boy

You see my point? :)


Anyway So far we can only speculate, and even though we've have sereval disapointement from the CRPG scene lately Nwn, ToEE etc. Let's give them the time, and we'll see if this game is true to it's ancerstor... Well, I guess I was wrong, we want a bg3 :lol: