So where should we all discuss our next three year addiction? Going to make a whole new category?

[ July 20, 2004, 13:51: Message edited by: Taluntain ]

Holy mother of god!

Uh... link? And why isn't this in the 'The Playground' forum? If you don't have a link... who is designing it?

There's a link on the front page of SP

I dont consider PCGamer to be a very reliable source of info. Personally, I'll believe it when I see it.

I'll set up a new forum as soon as there's some actual official confirmation of the news. Just in case.

Ohhh - yay!
/me spends the rest of the week chanting BG3 in a monotonous voice while rocking back and forth in a corner.
:borg:

Will it be as crappy as the other ones?

Am I the only one troubled by the issue number stated at link from the front page? (http://home.comcast.net/~stesergio/pcgamer.html)

It says it is from the PC Gamer September 2004 edition. I'm not familiar with this magazine, but it is only mid-July, why would there already be a September edition? I went to the website of that magazine (http://www.pcgamer.com) and it says that the August edition is available at the moment.

I'm not yet convinced that this is the real deal.

By the moment my eyes hit "PC Gamer", I quit reading. It is a AD-magazine with a price-tag, thus untrustworthy source for *any* kind of info. :nolike:

Personally, I would rather see a remake of the two previous parts, and call it "BG3 -Complete." Or something. ;)

Crap - this is going to make me learn 3E rules.

Huh, I really hope that they are going to make BG3... but I wonder what will it look like...

I hope they do, too...but if the crap salad that was Icewind Dale II is any indication that Interplay can't handle their own mess, I almost wish they WON'T come out with a BG3. I'd rather have NO BG3 than a crappy one. It'll soil the series.

I'm actually at a loss for how they can produce a decent title now. All of their best people have either left or been fired. Unless they get Obsidion to develope it, I can't see BG3 as being anything other than a slapshod disaster that will make money solely on name recognition alone.

Could be wrong though. I hope I'm super-duper wrong.

The ending of TOB didn't really set itself up for another sequel: you were supposed to either choose ur own destiny or become a god, how would thet get out of that cul de sac?

well a bg 3 could be cool, but who is going to make it? interplay is kind of dead, the only got there MMO fallout back. and black isle is long gone. so who gets to develop it? Hopefully Bethesda, just to hear you guys moan about it ;)
hopefully obsidian, bioware or maybe inxile will develop it, if it's not just a hoax.

Man, if this is real then it is either going to be awesome, or a piece or crap.

Obviously, we're looking at a completely different storyline, one which likely will not have any relation to the first two. Character levels in ToB went up to level 40, so that's all they can do there. I'd say we're looking at level one characters again, and seeing as how they are likely going to change over to 3E rules, it would be appropriate to start over.

Its a shame it will probably be in 3d. I didn't like NWN for that reason.

I'd definitely be keen on playing BG3. I think 3D is pretty much a must nowadays - but I'm not too concerned as long as the gameplay is stellar. The BG series had a great storyline with plenty of character and NPC interaction, so I hope they keep that.

Who said that it even has to have anything to do with Interplay? Atari owns the license, and AFAIK, they can give it to anyone they like.

The deal with the issues is that PC gamer always publishes their's a month ahead for some reason, so the August edition comes out in July, the September edition in August. Sometime they get even more ahead of themselves, and publish it two months ahead, like I own the September Issue, and it does say they have they're going to be previewing BG3.

[ July 21, 2004, 21:32: Message edited by: Topdawg ]

I do hope they dont much this up, whoever is going to make it. IF it's in the making at all that is :(
it's been years since i've been excited over an upcoming title, this has surely gotten me excited.
Too bad there's a greater possiblity that the game simply wont be (doubtfully though, someone will want to grab it just for the title) or more likely it'll be just a cash-cow, nothing more. :(

Dont get your hopes up people...You know how Temple turned out_remember what we all thought of that?? Sorry, I just have to be the pecimist here!

That's probably true. I've high hopes for BG3 but I'm more of the opinion that it'll turn out to be tedious like NWN or a bugfest like TOEE.

Hoping I'm proved wrong though and the game is as good, if not better, than the first two.

Will it be as crappy as the other ones? you are not serious....you can't be..BG games are incredibly awesome.

Only if your definition of awesome is dog poo.

@Sirius - A Diablo 2 fan by chance?

Ida know, Sirius...my dog pinched one off the other day that was pretty impressive.

@Sirius - A Diablo 2 fan by chance? Nope, actually I've never played it.

Surprise. If you don't like the Baldurs gate games, universally recognized as the best D&D based CRPGs, why are you here? SPs foundation is D&D related gaming.

Not that I mind your presence, I'm just curious. One might confuse you, based on your above response, with a troll. :confused:

Why are you here?I like roleplaying games. Just not the Baldur's gate games.

Well, which roleplayinggames other than the BGs that is represented here do you consider good?

Pool of Radiance II: Ruins of Myth Draennor perhaps? :lol: If you really consider it good, you oughta start playing other games.

Icewind Dale 1? Don't think that's the one you appreciate on the site, it's too much alike BG.

NeverWinter Nights? Probably, NWN with it's sequels is probably the most famous and popular D&D RPGs, even though both the BG and the IWD series are better, so I think that's your thing.

Icewind Dale 2? Too much alike IWD1, which is too much alike BG, so I don't think so.

Planescape: Torment? Could be, I can't review it as I haven't played it(for some reason it wouldn't work on my computer, unfortunatly), but from I have heard, it is a deep, intruging, RPG so you may like it.

Greyhawk: Temple of Elemental Evil? If you are here for a non-finished bugfest that could've been good but lacked two important things; playability and 3E, not 3.5E. I may be a bit rough, but the opinion is not my only, I believe.


EDIT: I am sorry if this sounded harsh, I may have been carried away. If you were offended, I'm sorry, but I just had to ask.

You could also be here for info about Dragon Age or the D&D RTS.

Planescape: Torment was a great game, and was why I stumbled upon this site. Neverwinter Nights was just.... meh. ToEE had great combat but bad everything else.

Okay, so I take it you like the Fallouts as well? I mean 1 and 2, not Tactics as it is more strategy and not Sellout: PoS

BGIII won't be 3rd edition. It'll be Edition 3.5 probably. I hope it isn't turn based like ToEE was, combat could take forever.

Well, 'IF' it is offical we can only hope it stays away from the BG storyline. Yet, if it isn't based on the BG storyline... why call it Baldur's Gate III? If I remember correctly there are quite a few cities in Toril... many of which you could name the game after.

Why name the game "Baldur's Gate 3"?

1. Cash, man, it rules the world, man. :hippy:

2. It may be heavily related to the BG storyline, like being the protagonist's child or something alike, like a childhood friend or someone touched upon heabily on your travels.

3. See 1.

4. Continuing from after ToB.

5. It is close to Baldur's Gate, the city that is, but is not related in any way to the original games.

And for all that is good and pure, please don't use the 4. Hope it will be number two, but that you are not the child of the propagonist but something else.

Also, hope that it is not 3.5E but 3E, as I loathe the former.

Seriously, it's just a silly rumour; there won't be BG3. :shake:

...Or at least "Baldur's Gate" we know...

Hmm...I've thought of something which I think may be a possibility...

Atari has all but said they are making BG3...(see www.rpgdot.com) (http://www.rpgdot.com))

Atari was the same publisher that produced TOEE...and it is also known they pushed it out the door as fast as possible...

I wonder if the reason it got purged was because the decision had been made to create BG3 and the talent needed to be relocated to a much more viable producer of revenue

All magazine put the date of when they they should be removed from the stands, so the July issue says August. Check mags, almost all of them do that.

Seriously, it's just a silly rumour; there won't be BG3.

...Or at least "Baldur's Gate" we know...Maybe but that is very negative. Lets wait and see.

See SP front page, Atari pretty much confirmed it.

So what do you think Tal? Nervous about Atari? I know I am slightly. They do not have a proven D&D track record. However, if they stick to proven classic fantasy, a D&D game can almost write itself. Personally, I hope they go for more of an open-ended style similar to BG1 rather than the tighly constrained pathway of ID2. I also hope they stick to the top-down perspective of the previous BG's, although I imagine they must as it is such an integral part of the franchise. Well, I hope they release enough information to let us know what they are planning.

The only thing I hope is that Atari won't rush the game. They do it to often (TOEE), if they want baldur's gate to have a decent sequel they will have to do it right.

It's like fallout 3, both games long in the running, both games extremely popular with the hardcore rpg community.

See SP front page, Atari pretty much confirmed it.I believe it only when I see it, and the reviews are good too. ;) All in all, that blurt could had been anything; a simple mistake from the emplyee's part, or just some hype to boost AD&D sales.

Heh, they are working on both games, that's plain as day. It's been hinted dozens of times over the years that they are coming, and BG3 has been in development before, though with the demise of BIS and Interplay, the development on it stopped. Atari might have bought the unfinished version of BG3 and gave it to someone to finish (most likely Obsidian, since they picked up many BIS refugees). The only real question here is who is developing both games. BioWare is highly unlikely, since they have their hands full with Jade Empire and Dragon Age. That pretty much only leaves Obsidian and Troika if you want anyone with any D&D experience on it. Since people expect a story from BG3, Obsidian would be a logical pick. NWN2 I don't know what to make of. It'd be logical to build on the existing structure, and BioWare is pretty much the only one who can do that, considering they have been working on NWN for years.

Another likely option for BG3 is that they gave the licence to some other company who didn't make any D&D games before, or to a some completely unknown new one. If any of the latter options is true, I'd be most concerned about the outcome.

In any event, I'm sure more information about both games in development will be announced shortly, and more discussion past educated guesses will be possible.

Atari might have bought the unfinished version of BG3 and gave it to someone to finish (most likely Obsidian, since they picked up many BIS refugees) Perhaps you are right. Few days ago (almost the same time that the bg3 rumours appeared) an administrator in the Obsidian forums announced that they have signed with a publisher for their second game, which now is in full pre-production and has the code name "Project Pennsylvania". Maybe it is just a coincidence but who knows.

Since I consider Balders Gate I & II the best RPG games that I have played --if they make a BG that has the quality of the originals I would be in RPG players heaven. At the moment I am off playing city building (which I love) and RPG games from China. The Chinese games are fun but aren't BG.

if they make a BG that has the quality of the originals I would be in RPG players heaven.But then they would decide it has to be in full 3D on Doom3's engine. :D

"Minimum requirments Pentium X 100 GHz with SplatForce FX-TI 1 Gb DDR." And looking like current PSX games after a few years. :shake:

Wirhe, you're such a pessimist. This is fantasy land. Let me fantasize (sp).

I can't; I have a needle and popping bubbles is fun. :D

I mean, how big are the chances that a new team will keep the line the previous one started? Just look what happened to Thief 3.

Don't hold your breath yet, usually when companies strugle to survive they sell crappy games. Think of it as drowning, you care to stay afloat, not the swimming style, therefore you swim like if you had no idea how, but with no grace at all... Same with the gaming industry.

That is IF this is true... PC Gamer has proven wrong most of the time. As an oracle they certainly suck.

@sirus:

You are the exception that confirms the rule.

Hi i dont post here often, but I just wanted to mention bg2 is the rpg of all time and my favourite game. I felt comfort in playing IWD2, and felt it nearly caught up to bg2, just lacking an excellent story and characters as such.

I saw months ago rumors of bg3, and it was dismissed as a failed project, plus I didn't want a 3rd to wreak the series. Having said that, I spent ages trying to find an RPG to equal black isle's greatest, I tried NWN, morrowind, TOEE and finally Lionheart. NWN was nothing compared to the bg2 giant, (or so I personally thought, but others love it), I failed to see why people liked Morrowind at all! It lacked story, and if you want a free roam game, why not go play gta?

When I saw toee was 3d and had nothing at ALL in comon with what I liked with blackisle games, i was disapointed again. I felt a bit better after playing the 1st 1/4 of lionheart, (Kevin Michael Richardson is back! Sarevok's voice actor), but when it became hack and slash, i was shocked, the only good hacknslash rpg ever personally has been diablo2.

Finally the idea of bg3 does not sound back after all, but with the black isle breakup, I dont think it will be the same...or really even close. But being the child of Viconia, Jaheira or Aeire sounds good to me, if done right. Personally I dont like Atari's games, sorry to say so.

Having said that, I don't know anything about what has happened to Blackisle, from what I gathered right after the disperse, only 2 developers were left on what was still "Blackisle Studios" and the rest were sacked. I would like to know which developers are doing what now. And who is left with Interplay/Bioware.

I'm in two minds about BG3 - I think if it was set some time after the Bhaalspawn saga and the PC was a child of the Bhaalspawn who defeated the Five, or in the immediate wake of the Bhaalspawn War, it could work. I've not played ToEE, Iv'e heard it's great fun but buggier than a service station hot dog machine.

If what you folks are saying is true, and the same developers (for ToEE) are behind it, then I think I'll just disavow the third instalment. It hurt to do that with Master Of Orion 3, but some things just have to be done.

I just hope they do not make BG3 with consoles in mind. Consoles make smart games dumb.

Back in April a rep from Atari, Brandon Smith, is quoted as saying that 'there may be some truth in the rumour that BGIII will be in development'.

Yeah, pretty ambiguous, but why say such a thing if there's nothing in it?

There's massive scope for it to continue. BG 2 had nothing to do with the city of Baldur's Gate itself so the name is irrelevant; bringing along the 'son of' or even 'grandson of' the child of Bhaal is perfectly feasible; or even a completely new saga.

For my penny's worth, it's on the way, and probably next year as I reckon they're further down the track then: 'WILL be in development'.

Like other posters above I just hope it has nothing in common with console games or even the 3D of games like Dungeon Siege. Seeing as what Atari have done with ToEE I reckon they'll stay true to the format and we'll be pleasantly surprised.

Wishful thinking maybe? Nah.

It just won't be the same without the infinity engine.

BGIII is never going to happen and if it is it wont be made by the same crew as made the BG1 and 2. therefore it will suck a donkey's nuts. plus if its called BGIII then it would be stupid to not have it be part of the series and if its part of the series it will be stupid because you cant bypass the ending of ToB.

That's that sorted out for us then.

[ August 01, 2004, 09:35: Message edited by: Sheriff of Nothing ]

BG3...its going to be crappy.

It smells too much like a desperate attempt by Interplay/Atari to make money off the BG license.

Maybe you're right, but give them a chance at least. I'd rather see it out there than not.

...the quality of the original BG games has all ready been wrecked by the Dark Alliance games, so let's just wait and see.

you got that right. Dark alliance... I had more of a roleplaying experience playing Diablo1.

Dark Alliance...nnnoooOOOOOOoooo...why did they do it Boo? WHY!?!?

I'm definately looking forward to a completly fresh story that has little relation to the characters in bg1+2 but is still based on the sword cost etc.

Will the game be using the same ruleset from bg2? Are they allowing you to use your character from bg2 too? I can tell I'm going to get as impatient with this as I am with FO3 and NWN2...grrrr

I'm afraid of this BG3. Atari always uses henchmen.

The beauty of BG1 and BG2 is that you have a party of different characters with different attitudes and goals, you control them and it works like a charm. None of that NWN bull***t where my henchmen ALWAYS do the wrong thing. :mad:

So, BG# should...

Have the option of that BG2 look, so you have better view of where your party's standing.

Have a party in the first place, like BG2, with their own quests and goals.

Be non-linear, so you can explore all you want.

I haven't looked too much into this, but is there a chance this is actually going to be Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance 3?

Someone please show me something that says it's not!!!

I certainly don't hope they use 3,5 edition if it's a prequel of the BG-saga, because they reason Bhaal made so much offspring is because he knew he would die in the Time of Troubles, which in turn was the conversionpoint of 1st edition to 2nd edition. 3rd happens even later then that.

And personally I play AD&D 2nd edition and hate 3rd. I have no intention of having to plan all of the feats of the character from the start or choose from a million races or subraces and billions of prestige classes.

I would probably buy it after having read good reviews of it, but if any of them say it doesn't capture the charm of BG1&2 I won't. I don't want to have my memories of the best game ever ruined by a badly made sequel.

Hey guys, I'm very new to the message board but this place has been very helpful to me since I have just recently started playing Baldur's Gate 2 again. I blew the dust off the CD and installed this game, and I'm still just as caught up with it as I was back when I played it for the first time four years ago. I never got to finish the game (stopped at chapter 9) but I've restarted the game from the start with SK and a couple of mods to make up for all those lost hours of playtime (hey, it's still fair, at least IMO ! :) ) And this site has been so helpful and has opened up my game options a lot wider: I downloaded the Solaufin mod and look forward to that tough battle, and I got a couple of voice packs to make the game more enjoyable for me personally (Skie and Xan voice sets!). Thanks guys, for keeping this site so well polished and teeming with goodies that I can plunder, thanks for all of the inputs!

Moving on to the future, I am very much looking forward to Baldur's Gate III, if it will ever be. I think personally that the lack of single-player traditional RPGs in the market is due in large part to the widespread dominance of MMPRPGS in role-playing world. I mean, if you take a look at gamespot.com, at least 8 of the top 10 anticipated role-playing games are massive-world types. I heard that massive-world are very addictive and fun, but since I think spending $20 a month to play a game is a tad wasteful, I prefer to stick with traditional RPGs. Unfortunately, most major game companies don't share this view since massive-world is much more profitable for them. Talk about a rock and a hard place!

I also agree with all of you that say that TOEE and NWN wasn't quite the game to beat BGII. TOEE was beautifully rendered, but with slow scroll rates, low XP cap, and turn-based fighting, it was just a travesty. Even with the huge bug fix, I never got into the game. And strict party-alingments? That was just the nail in the coffin. NWN was such a lackluster looking game compared to BGII. The environments were always dark and similar in appearance, and your character was completely lifeless. You knew that you were playing a video game instead of being immersed in the world. And a henchmen instead of a party of adventurers? For shame.

I think my last hope for a good, semi-traditional RPG is in Vampire: The Masquerade, Bloodlines. But with the Half-Life 2 delay and the big ambitions of the game, I'm thinking I might be let down yet again. :(

My question is, why can't developers make a fully 3-D video game with RPG elements? This might sound ridiculous, but I think combining the graphics of Max Payne 2 (I chose this game because it moves very fast and still looks beautiful even with old graphic cards) and the deep RPGing of BGII. Just my personal pipe dream.

Well, thanks for listening to me.

"Onward!.. to our doom."--Xan

Well, considering that Baldur's Gate 2 and ToB was probably one of the best games I have ever played in my life, I would have high hopes and expectations for Baldur's Gate 3, which is what I shouldn't be doing therefore if BG 3 turns out to be bad, I won't be as dissapointed ;P

On the other hand, Neverwinter Nights appealed to me only because it was based on the same idea of the BG series and I turned out seriously unamused. I mean, WHERE ARE THE SHAPESHIFTERS!?! Now I know they are in the 2nd expansion pack but I couldn't be bothered getting it after I got the first one.

I would've also thought that if BG 3 came out, it would present quests for you to complete based on your final choice in ToB (I became the Lord of Murder, Muwhahaha!) but will probably turn out to be a dissapointment like NWN.

BTW, I'm back :) !

Well, an example of a 3D rpg that is still very immersive is Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. Eventhough it uses large portions of the nwn engine, it shows it doesn't have to be as bleak and unimmersive and can actually have great decors to play in. And eventhough it used some henchman system, that one somehow didn't suck, although it doesn't replace a good turning off of the party ai (which I always did in BG and the like). The biggest problem with henchmen is that spellcasters are too strategical to be left on automated.

Oh ,men, I need chance my underwear. I really love BG series, and BG3 will be a obligate purchase.

When is the rumored released date?

Also I actually like the NWN henchmen thing because it did give the party members more personality and so on.

Y'know...considering what is being said about this game by Atari, I'm not very sure I'm going to be that eager to play it. Most important fact to be kept in mind here, is that the guys who made the first two games and the expansion have quit...which means someone else is going to be making this game, which means...its going to be...different.

Might be better, might be worse...but will definitely be different. And that distinctive flavour BG2 had, will be gone.

On the other hand, Dragon Age is being touted as the spiritual successor to Baldurs Gate, and I must say...the way ToB ended, there was a proper sense of closure to the story, and I'm frankly more excited by DA than BG3.

BioWare made all Baldur's Gate games, not BIS.

i think that since the end of ToB was choose to find your own way or become a god, that this game will be finding your own way. I've no idea what the level cap will be like but i hope you get to go in and around baldur's gate, that would be kool. in 3d could be ok but wouldn't be right with BG, as it wouldn't seem right if it was D+D 3E rules.
ah well i hope it doesn't suck.
theres my view

@Tal: I was talking about the people who were on the development team...not the company.

Considering very few people have left BioWare (and no important ones who worked on the BG games that I know of), it makes even less sense then. So what WERE you trying to say?

Well...it was to my understanding, that the people working on the Jefferson Project aka Baldurs Gate 3 a few months ago, were disbanded along with BIS shutting down.

The people who had been working on the Jefferson Project, have quit, and Bioware is developing BG3 with another team of developers. That is what I was trying to say. Though I think I might be a bit confused about the whole thing.

Pay me no mind :p

BG3 was being made at BIS, yes, but the project died along with BIS & Interplay. Whoever is working on BG3 now (BioWare themselves would be very unlikely, considering the other games on their plate) is starting from scratch again.

But ... Sadly, BG1&2 weren't total pieces of junk, so the case don't apply :p
I'm also scared the hell out with a BG3 without Ie :(
But, as say before, money rule the world (too bad). As long as they don't try to make a Planescape 2 without me on the team I'll be fine.
And by the way, hello everyone =)

I can safely say that Bioware ain't making BGIII. Also, I can safely say that Jade Empire should come out soon, since my neighbor is donning a Jade Empire t-shirt. :D

We know BioWare isn't making it, we've posted about it in the news a few days ago. ;)

I thought I heard that Atari had their grubby little mitts all over BGIII

Atari got the nod from Wizards of the Coast to produce AD&D games from their campaigns and the classics. BG is an origianl creation from BioWare.

We can expect to see Atari make several new and recycled adventures, but none of them will look or fell like BG or IWD. They will look and feel like Pool of Rad and Temple of El Evil. Not bad games, just not as popular either.

I personally don't believe they can come up with a storyline like the earlier games. The story of the Bhaalspawn was put to an end in ToB. It was a damn good one, and they should leave it be now.

I don't get it anymore. Is it being made by someone ar are we just dreaming? If you do not know for sure do not react.

ok, is it still in development now? Sorry, but I'm still in the previous phase: denial. I can't accept it's not being made. I want it...

Any real information would be helpful, or just a concise recap of what we know to date.

Here's how I feel about BG3.

I personally feel that the original BG saga is the best video game, computer game, or any other game at all that has fallen into my hands. I am even in the process of saving up $$$ to buy a computer for the sole purpose of playing those games again.

Although the idea of a BG3 intrigues me, I don't think they could pull off a prequel or sequel very well. The overall quality of the game from the first BG just can't be beat. For my personal tastes, if a BG3 were to come out, I would like to have the original saga upgraded. A new game, but same characters, same story, some plot etc. I would just ask for better graphics, gameplay, more items/spells/monsters/classes/races/a few NPCs... I don't think anything about the story needs to be changed or added to any way, in fact I think it would be distasteful to do so. I just love the games so much that all I would want is MORE of what they already have. Maybe a few more areas or subplots, ya know, more hours of gameplay and such.

To sum up: I think BG is the best game that exists. If a BG3 comes out, I think it should be the same as the original BG1, only upgraded to be what more modern computers can make it to be.

Cheers to my favourite game of all time.

p.s. Any estimates as to when and if a BG3 is coming out?

While I think an updated BG series has potential, I think an updated Fallout series has much more potential and would easily replace BG as the greatest of all time. As far as I can see, the party system is the only advantage BG has over Fallout.

My point being that an 'upgraded' BG wouldn't be that much of an improvement. BG is pretty much the standard for many aspects of game play and the recent experiments by gaming companies have not proven terribly fruitful.

On that note, also realise that, while many sequals/prequals are crap, BG 2 was a sequal, as was Fallout 2. The potential of a sequal to awe and impress and overall be good is entirely dependant on who makes it. If an organized, professional team of die-hard BG fans were to make BG 3, the results would be pure gold.

Let's face it, folks - we've been kickin' this thread around for nearly 2 years now. BGIII ain't happening. :o

At this point, as far as I'm concerned, I'm relegating the possibility of a Baldur's Gate III to the dustbin on history. Whoever's been in charge of the licensing for the last few years is obviously incapable of formulating a decent business strategy. A new Baldur's Gate RPG game would be a slam-dunk for any publisher, they just need to put the damn thing out. If development on it were really happening, we would have seen some kind of screenshot or whatever by now to generate buzz. But nothing. The series is dead. As much as I wish it weren't so, I'm afraid it is. I hope I'm wrong.

/me goes off to play "Amazing Graze" on the kazoo, remembering the BG series fondly :(

^

What Death Rabbit said is absolutely what I believe is true also. I could not have said it better myself. I wish he was wrong (as does he) but, no news, no screenshots, not even "we are still making it but it's taking a long time".

We need to face it . . . it's gone.

Nonsense. It's just a matter of time. One way or another, it will get made. Atari's not going to let such a hot licence go to waste. You'll probably start hearing about BG3 again after NWN2's release.

Slowly more and more people play RPG at some form or an other. WoW will add more as will the game that will get released. Remeber that shooter, doom. They made a part two and placed it on the shelves. times changed. Suddenly doom 3 was made. ToeE was a flop because only 3.5 ed players could understand it and that mkes a company like atari to back off. BG3 will come after they have decided what to do whit the liscense. Maybe Atari will sell it or go bankrupt.

ToeE was a flop because only 3.5 ed players could understand it and that mkes a company like atari to back off.ToEE was a flop because the game was ridiculously cut, unfinished and boring. The rules are still the best part of it.

NWN 2 will also feature the 3.5e ruleset.

That too, but as I said the 3.5 ruleset is to much to chew for many players. NWN did the right thing to make it playable for the masses.(Yes at some points it was to easy)

It is essential to adapt the ruleset for PC. Also for bg3.

Oh well - maybe I'm just being a Negative Nancy. I still cling to my prediction, though, and will gladly eat crow if wrong. Crow mercilessly slaughtered by the Flail of Ages,that is.

Pardon my ignorance, but I keep hearing about 3.5e and 1e etc. I know it means the engine, but what are the differences between them?

Actually, it means the rules used. The 3.5 edition D&D rules is the latest version.

It's also possible it's going to be sold to someone else. Read this news post (http://www.sorcerers.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/27/1406.html#000000) and you'll see Atari is in serious trouble.

Sounds like good news for gamers everywhere! Down with Atari! Atari is the devil! :evil:
I couldn't resist, but does anyone show interest in BG 3? As has been previously stated, that will be a tall order to fill. I would understand if companies were a little leery about buying the rights to such a game.

well, bg3 is almost certainly in the proverbial toilet... however, i'm looking forward to fallout 3. i'm curious to see how bethsoft will handle it. they say they're all fallout fans, so hopefully the spirit will live on. hey, maybe even NWN2 or Dragon Age will be good.

but you know what? i really miss black isle. it was their team that put that indefinable sense of fun and awe into the originals.

oh, and on a parting note, toee really was awful. but i LOVED grappling!! i used to travel around to marshy areas just to struggle with giant frog tongues! :)

It was not good enough. But with a bit of work that game can be transformed to a good one. Even usable as engine perhaps for BG3.

But A game like bg2 will return. because good game still sell, and crap not. Giant setps will be made in the comming months Who will but the franchise, and what will stormreach do?

If I only had the money to do it myself.

I don't know, nothing heard in how long? Not one bit of news about it. I think we can safely say it's not going to happen. If obsidian were making it, it would be on their "games in development" page, surely.

How long did it take before doom 3 was made?

how long for the new starcraft?

Ok, let's stick to BG3...

If BG3 were still in pre-development I don't think it would be shown on their website. For example, Bethesda Softworks still has Fallout 3 in production, but there isno mention of it in any part of the site.

ok so i am new to this forum and just reading through some posts can anyone enlighten me . is this bg3 thing all rumours or does anyone know anything specific . for gods sake i have just started bg2 again for the 1000000000000000 time . and i cant find another game that even comes close to filling my addiction . hhhmmmmmmm maybe i should get a life ......

So Play BG 1 again :rolling:

for gods sake i have just started bg2 again for the 1000000000000000 timeHow many millions of times do I have to tell people not to exaggerate? :roll: :good:

@Moon Elf

And it's still the best game I've played... ever.

Which is why we need BG3, now!

..or maybe tomorrow...

How is all this recent Bioware, Atari et al stuff gonna affect BG3?

BG3...I hope they're not using the latest 3.5 rules like the one they used in ToEE. It is the worst rules i have ever played.
but, I agree to all of you, guys. BG3 would be real great or a real nightmare.

BG3 will definitely be using the latest D&D rules once it's actually made. WoTC demands it of all their licensed games (which makes sense; they don't want any new products to use outdated rules).

Yeah I know that they will use the latest rules, but I just hope that they will add some changes in the 3.5 rules and make it simpler. I just did not like the "craft magic items" feats and the turn-based fighting system. How can I make fun with my spells if I need action points to cast my spells?

Actually, the 3e setup is easier for spell casting than 2e. In 2e, if a wizard is going to cast a spell that's all he does, and if someone attacks him while he's casting......poof! The spell is wasted. In 3e, a wizard can move a little bit and if someone attacks him while he's casting the spell may still work. It sounds like your concern isn't as much about the ruleset but about whether the game will be real time or turn based.

I liked BG and IWD series combat system much more than PoR and ToEE. Hopefully BG3 will be with old school comabat system with pause.

And it's still the best game I've played... ever.

Which is why we need BG3, now! Why? So you can be inevitably disappointed?

^ Whee, jaded pessimism. Are *all* CRPG sites these days infected with it? :p

Yes. The glory days are long gone now. All we have left are tales of the past, to share with the young ones as we sit in the tavern during the dark winter nights.

:geezer:

The Fallout days are long gone, my friends...

awww cant help feel a tiny bit sad...

It isn't going to be 3d is it? That would blow so much.