This is a documentary made by a journalist, Alex Jones. He says and tries to prove that Bush and his goons orchestrated 9/11 and also a bunch of other conspiracy theories connected to this. It's obviously over the top, but still fairly interesting. The movie can be downloaded in 3 parts for 300MB total and It's runtime is two and a half hours.... so don't expect DVD quality graphics.

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Evil has spread across the land. Martial Law: 9/11 Rise of the Police State exposes the high-tech control grid that is being set up across America.

Out of the ashes of the September 11th tragedy, a dark empire of war and tyranny has risen. The Constitution has been shredded and America is now a Police State. This film exposes not just who was behind the 9-11 attacks, but the roots and history of its orchestrators.

Director: Alex Jones

Link to download site (http://www.archive.org/movies/details-db.php?collection=opensource_movies&collectionid=MartialLaw911)

[ April 25, 2005, 13:44: Message edited by: Taluntain ]

Wrong forum and also complete nonsense. I am far from being an expert on things like structural stability/engineering and what-not but even I have been tearing down these conspiracy theories since they first cropped up in late 2001.

Very wrong forum and it's nonsense like this that makes people think they all need to have their houses bristling with weaponry to protect themselves from the government.

Its been said that the World Trade Centre *had* to come down by 2016 as it was proving too costly.

Moving to AoLS, it'd probably outgrow AoDA.

No conspiracy theory is more appealing than the one that makes somekind of sense. Seeing as one of the true facts about the whole 9/11 thing is that the people who gained the most by it were the Bush regime and the neo-cons. For them 9/11 was a gift from the gods. That is the main reason why talk like this will always be around and why quite a few people will believe in it. I do not think it was orchestrated, however I am not completely convinced. I do not put it beyond the Bush regime and the neo-cons to do something like this. Either both groups together or one or the other alone. Scary scary to view the leadership of the worlds most powerful state in such a way.

No, Joacqin, that's the way that leftists do things. they like to engeneer "incidents". Anyone remember the Reichstag fire? How about the Soviets excuse to invade Afghanistan?

...and the killing of Hariri must have been a CIA/Phalangist plot, to turn world opinion against Syria...

...and Sharon must secretly be running Hamas and Islamic Jihad, because Palestinian bus bombs keep hardliners in power...

...and Jews engineered the Holocaust, as a way of getting world support for Israel...

All I can say is this kind of sloppy thinking and poppycock can only be an impediment to understanding world events.

Edit: Nazis are "leftists?!?!" :lol:

Yes they were. Once you get rid of the racial superiority BS, they sound alot like any left winger in Europe or the US. You should read some of Hitler's rants against the corporations and the rich.

Hmm... I wouldn't have said they were "leftists", but the Nazis did start life as the NSDAP (National Socialist German Workers' Party), and were against the big businesses etc. for oppressing German workers and for taking on cheap foreign labour, that sort of thing. You may compare them with the Communists by saying that whereas the good ol' Commies thought all workers across the world needed to unite, the NSDAP wanted German workers to rise up & kick out foreigners, that sort of thing.

That started to change as Hitler came closer to power, though - after he realised that ditching the left-wing policies could win him desparate middle class voters, he did so brutally (c.f. "the Night of the Long Knives") (http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/night_of_the_long_knives.htm). In a manner analogous to New Labour in Britain, the old-school working class supporters stayed on, as no other major party came close to representing their views, and Adolf eventually gained enough votes to become Chancellor.

As for conspiracy theories, whether or not Bush planned 9/11, the terror legislation arising in its aftermath is, IMHO, a far greater threat to our liberty than Al-Qaeda. The fact that the government here is attempting to overturn rights to trial enshrined in the Magna Carta is deeply troubling, moreso the fact that no one outside the House of Lords seems to care. The Magna Carta is one of the most important documents in human history; even American kids learn about events at Runnymede as a precursor to their bill of rights.

Does anyone else think that when people make legislation of this sort, it is surrendering to terror, not fighting it?

Of course Bush-n-Co made political hay out of 9/11; Bush was well on the way to being a public laughingstock before 9/11 made him somehow seem "decisive." But as much as Gitmo lights a fire under my @ss, I can't quite see it as the death of the Magna Carta, and the beginnings of totalitarianism in the US, I'm afraid.

You should read some of Hitler's rants against the corporations and the rich. Yet strangely enough, German corporations were for the most part very happy with the Nazis, who were more than glad to brutally put down union unrest for them, who allowed them whatever protectionist policy they favored at the time, etc. Same in Italy and Spain. Even in the US, a number of conservative businessmen, most famously Henry Ford, openly admired Hitler as much as they dispised FDR. National Socialism is considered by most historians to have been quite pro-corporation, despite Hitler's rantings against Weltkapitalismus, which mostly refered not to manufacturing, but to international finance and so Jews and Communists. Will write more later, perhaps in a new thread titled "A Dictatorship of Relativism?"

What They Don't Want You to Know
In order to understand terrorism you need to realize that everything is controlled by a Al-Qaida made up of the Taliban with help from terrorists.

The conspiracy first started during 11/9 in the Pentagon. They have been responsible for many events throughout history, including the burning of the Reichstad.

Today, members of the conspiracy are everywhere. They can be identified by shouting the word 'welfare' repeatedly.

They want to car bomb neo-cons and imprison resisters in Iraq using stealth planes.

In order to prepare for this, we all must eat babies. Since the media is controlled by the ecologists we should get our information from Fox news.Taken from here. (http://www.cjnetworks.com/~cubsfan/conspiracy.html)


Seriously now. I'm not buying that Bush-made-11/9 nonsense yet.
However, it's not above a government to do such things, not even an American one if we are to believe the Maddox was never attacked (or perhaps that's a conspiracy theory as well?)

So what? This guy should write books and sell them. He's not making much money just putting vids on the net. :D

Heh. I heard something completely different...

What They Don't Want You to Know
In order to understand Sorcerer's Place you need to realize that everything is controlled by a group of moderators made up of conservative Catholics with help from bored office drones.

The conspiracy first started during Eurovision 2000 in Slovenia. They have been responsible for many events throughout history, including the sacking of Rome.

Today, members of the conspiracy are everywhere. They can be identified by bragging about their post count.

They want to tickle Chev and imprison resisters in the Pocket Plane using Segways.

In order to prepare for this, we all must spam Tal. Since the media is controlled by Chandos the Red we should get our information from Darkwolf.

Oh no. An SP conspiracy! The truth is out there.

Bion and HB rock.


Seriously now. I'm not buying that Bush-made-11/9 nonsense yet.You shouldn't be buying such nonsense...EVER! It is 'foil hats on straw cats' silly! It takes all of 7 seconds of rational though to dismiss such ridulous BS.

Think about it...


In some secret room within the White House(or Pentagon), George Bush, Karl Rove, Condi' Rice and Dick Cheney meet to discus the "Problem".

Shrub : "Daddy can't take another failure! The not bein' able to find oil in Texas broke his heart. He's likely to keel over if he has to pull any more CIA strings to bail me out again! Karl...? Please tell me you got some MoJo for me...?

Karl Rove: "We have a plan Dr. Ev...er, Mr. president. Please turn your attention to the Heads Up Display...


Condoliza Rice: "FIRE UP THE HEADS UP DISPLAY!!!


Shrub(*falling out of chair*):"Jesus H. Christ...!" Can we bring it down just a notch(*making shrinking motion with thumb and index finger*)...? Thank YOU!"

Karl Rove: "Dr Ev...er, sorry. Mr. President. *Pointing at some wireframe images of the WTC as they appear on the Heads up display*
These are the Twin Towers....


Shrub : "Looks like the Death Star! THat's pretty cool!"


Karl Rove: "Yes, now as I was saying..."


Shrub :"How come the White House doesn't look like that?"


Karl Rove: "Well sir...it really isn't feasible to..."


Cheney:"Mr President wants a damned Death Star for a White House...Get him a DAMNED DEATH STAR!
*ERK....heart...failing...must...get...pacemaker.. .going...agai-"


Condi' Rice:"KICK START THE HEART!!!!"


Shrub:*Falling out of Chair* Holy....can we get some freakin' down time here, CondoLEEZa?


Condi' : "Yes sir. I am sorry."


Cheney:"That did it. Ready to take down some Camel jocki-"


Karl Rove:"PLEASE Sir...if I may continue? "


Shrub:"Go head Karl."


Karl Rove: "We cannot get small fighters past the defense grid of the Death St-er, Twin Towers,

HUD shows a wireframe image of an X-Wing fighter dropping a photon torpedo into a small target causing a chain reaction-explosion being obscured by a large blinking red 'X'


"... but we MAY be able to sneak a couple 747 commercial airliners into NY airspace adn straight into the towers killing thousands of potential voters which we don't need anyways because no presidential election is ever that close, of course."


Shrub: "Uh...Karl. excuse me, I know that I am not a (*using quote fingers*) "brainy guy" but can I just ask what the purpose of a NU-CU-LAR attack on out our buildings would be...?"


Karl Rove: "Well sir, it is not a "NU-CU-LAR" attack per se but just a couple of commerical airliners flown into various targets around the US, including the WTC and the White House..."


Shrub: "WOAH! Don't I LIVE at the White House?!?" I mean...isn't that where I keep all me stuff?"


Cheney: "We would of course move you to an elementary school in another state before the mayhem started sir..."


Karl:" Right and the White House would never actually be hit anyway..just the pentagon."


Shrub: "Woah! What will this destruction of the pentagon accomplish? What is the point of all this...?!?"


Karl Rove: "Well, sir, after your inevitable failure as a president, we will need to find a way to drum up sympathy and patriotism to insure re-election..."


Shrub:" By attacking our own country and killing off thousands of republican voters?! Isn't there an easier way? I mean this sounds far fetched even for my 'Lets-go-build-colonies-on-Mars-even-while-we-ban-stem-cell-research-on-Earth' imagination!"


Cheney: "F*ck 'em! What has the Pentagon or the WTC or damn republican voters ever done for us?!?"


Condi' :( Whispers something in Dick's ear)


Cheney: "Oh yeah...nevermind."


To be continued...

Exactly. There are vastly less complicated ways to achieve those desired outcomes.

Joacqin: Yes, it is appealing isn't it. The key question in any decent crime novel: who benefits? You sure can't say they didn't run with the ball once it was handed to them. I certainly wouldn't put it past them, given the general moral tone they've established, war, torture and so on, but that's a long way from proof.

Khazadman: Sorry, the Reichstag fire was not engineered by leftists, unless you have a slant on the Nazis no one else is aware of. It's true that an insane Dutch Communist had a hand in it, and probably struck the first match, but Goering's boys were there helping him along, according to most serious historians. Check it out. Hmmm? Could this be relevant?

No, Joacqin, that's the way that leftists do things. You mean like the American Revolution? There was another King George who referred to the revolutionaries as "those troublesome radicals." :grin:

Bush may be an idealist publically with his fingers in the public pie privately, but he's not evil in the sense that he'd slaughter a large number of his own citizens. This stuff is the biggest bunch of nonsense I've ever heard -- this guy who made the video probably believes that "National Treasure" is a documentary.