Has everyone heard about this.

Basically, this bloke from Austria kept his daughter locked up in a cellar and went down and knobbed her whenver he felt like it. He's fathered about 7 kids by her! He's now been imprisoned for 15 years on counts of rape.

What the hell!!!

It's one of the most horrendous stories I've eveer come across!

Read it just yesterday, thought about starting a thread about it, but didn't make the time for it.

"Funny" thing is that I'm not feeling moral outrage about it. I'm disgusted, sure, but things like this happening's just too weird. Completely alien. I'm almost willing to come to the conclusion that this guy's not human. Therefore it's all right if he's dissected and studied. Alive.

Here's a link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080429/ap_on_re_eu/austria_captive_daughter) for anyone not familiar with the story. 15 years is a joke for something like this. They should lock him up and throw away the key. He's been doing this for 24 years in the same house and his wife supposedly didn't know about it? That's just unbelievable.

So she'll have been a prisoner for 9 years longer than him?

So much for justice.

15 years is a joke for something like this. They should lock him up and throw away the key. He's been doing this for 24 years in the same house and his wife supposedly didn't know about it? That's just unbelievable.

Well, the guy is 73 years old. I imagine that his age played a role in his sentencing, as it is unlikely that he will live long enough to be released from prison. If the guy lives to be 85, it doesn't really matter if you sentence him to 15 or 15,000 years.

I'm not trying to minimize his crime, I'm just saying that for him, 15 years is tantamount to a life sentence.

Austrians, what do they have with basements?


Here's a link for anyone not familiar with the story. 15 years is a joke for something like this. They should lock him up and throw away the key. He's been doing this for 24 years in the same house and his wife supposedly didn't know about it? That's just unbelievable.


Hers and the confessions of the neighbourhood seriously reek of Ich habe es nicht gewusst behaviour. Oh sure, we knew that he was imprisoned for rape and we knew that those children appeared from thin air, but there's nothing wrong going here, no sirree.

I find it unbelievable that the wife knew nothing about what was going on in their cellar. The man was a dominant type and a domestic tyrant, and he might have ordered her to stay out of the cellar, but still. It's not like she didn't know the house had a cellar, and she must have wondered how the daughter's children turned up on their doorstep.

Looks to me like the Austrian authorities and the neighbours are busy washing their hands.

While I agree that the wife was culpably and willfully ignorant, women in relationships with such twisted men do come to a twisted understanding of themselves and reality. I'm not excusing her, but I suspect that most of the time, on a conscious level, she really didn't understand that something was very wrong here. I have only read brief news accounts so I suppose it is possible that she was a more active participant in this than I think, but, alas, I don't find it astonishing that she didn't seem to know what was happening.

As for the perpetrator - he definitely needs to be in prison, and at his age, the seemingly short time of 15 years, assuming he isn't paroled, may well be a life sentence. On the other hand 15 years does not seem proportionate to the crime, to me.

He's now been imprisoned for 15 years on counts of rape.
Unless I'm misreading something, he's facing charges. He hasn't been convicted yet.

Oh sure, we knew that he was imprisoned for rape and we knew that those children appeared from thin air, but there's nothing wrong going here, no sirree.
Nothing I have read indicates that he had previously been imprisoned for rape.


Having said all that, I kind of find my self agreeing with Iku-Turso. This is just so beyond comprehension that I have trouble being outraged. Just throw the guy in a pit somewhere, let him rot, and forget about him.

And no, I don't buy the wife's claim that she didn't know anything either.

Apparently one of the children's remains were found burnt in the 'holding cell' downstairs also. There's just so many things going through my mind at the moment that yes, I too cannot focus on how dispicable this man actually is. You'd think people that did things of this nature in modern society would just be executed on the spot.

I think Austrian's weren't so outraged by what this man had done, rather that a crime of basically the exact same nature had been commited AGAIN.

Unless I'm misreading something, he's facing charges. He hasn't been convicted yet.

This is also my understanding

Nothing I have read indicates that he had previously been imprisoned for rape.

London Times has this story (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3835640.ece) (and some Danish papers). I haven't found it elsewhere.

If he gets sentenced to 15 years, its too short. Regardless that its tantamount to a life sentence for him, the punishment does not measure up to such an act. Punishments also serves as a deterrent, a warning and a tougher sentence sends stronger signals.

I have to agree with the "executed on the spot" concept. There is no redemption for this man, and nothing he can ever do that could even come close to the suffering he inflicted on that girl. To me, his life has no value.

15 years my oversized white butt! That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.

Well, the guy is 73 years old. I imagine that his age played a role in his sentencing, as it is unlikely that he will live long enough to be released from prison. If the guy lives to be 85, it doesn't really matter if you sentence him to 15 or 15,000 years.

I'm not trying to minimize his crime, I'm just saying that for him, 15 years is tantamount to a life sentence.

I'm assuming he'll still be alive when he gets out if 15 years is all he gets. There are plenty of people over 90 in this part of Europe. Of course, that's assuming someone doesn't cut his throat or he hangs himself before that.

I have to agree with the "executed on the spot" concept. There is no redemption for this man, and nothing he can ever do that could even come close to the suffering he inflicted on that girl. To me, his life has no value.

15 years my oversized white butt! That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.

Nah...execution isn't viable at his old age. They should castrate him with a dull spoon, and then let him rot in jail until he dies. :smash: :rolling:

Have you seen a picture of the guy? He looks like the bastard child of satan and Saddam Hussain. Ugly beggar!!

Have you seen a picture of the guy? He looks like the bastard child of satan and Saddam Hussain. Ugly beggar!!

:lol: Too true!

To clarify an earlier point, I do agree that 15 years is too short a prison sentence. All I was pointing out was I feel it is more likely than not that he will die before he gets out. Sure, lots of people live to be more than 88 years old, but I can't imagine that the percentage is all that high, especially among men who tend to not live as long as women. That said, I agree with people who feel that justice is not being appropriately served with a sentence this short.

What to me is more troubling is if 15 years is thought to be an appropriate punishment for anyone who commits a crime like this. What if this guy had been 43 instead of 73? Then it would be a near certainty that he would live long enough to see the end of a 15 year prison sentence.

They DEFINATELY shouldn't execute him, rotting in prison would give him 15 years, to live a shamed existence, then execute him, i'd like.

I agree that this is a case for the death penalty. It's just too horrible. Another case where justice is denied because a state lacks the guts to issue a matching punishment.

I am no moderator but there is a whole thread discussing the death penalty, judicial systems and penal systems.

For me this entire event is so abhorrent that it is hard to grasp. You don't want to grasp it and yet it is not the first time and I am sure there are other people trapped in similar situations around the world. As for penalty, well this is so horrible that no penalty can match the crime. Let the pig rot and focus the resources and energy on trying to help his victims as they are somewhat alive.

There is one more thing I just realized concerning his sentence - and it certainly argues in favor of those who say 15 years is too short. The penalty is less than the amount of time he kept his daughter locked in the basement.

For this guy death is just too easy. 15 years in prison with other inmates who don't look kindly to this kind of s**t is much preferrable.

If he is not kept in strict solitary isolation, I think 15 years will prove to be a lifetime sentence, a death sentence and a lot less than 15 years. Other prisoners will see to that.

The 15 years are the maximum sentence he can receive under Austrian law, unless it can be proven that he directly or indirectly caused the death of the child who died in infancy. In that case he will probably be given a life sentence for murdering the child.

This is one case that severely tests my opposition to the death penalty!

EDIT: The man is being investigated (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,353338,00.html) in connection with the murder of a young woman 22 years ago. That alone could also earn him life in prison.

I don't know what the deal is in his country, but here in Canada a guy like this would be kept in strict isolation. No other inmates would be let near him, as many of them see their crimes as just par for the course in their business endeavors while seeing his crimes as reprehensible. He wouldn't last a week in the general population here in Canada, and I'm sure the same is true for the U.S.

He is kept seperate from the other inmates, thats what I remember seeing on the news a few days ago.

For this guy death is just too easy. 15 years in prison with other inmates who don't look kindly to this kind of s**t is much preferrable.

I know, I've heard stories that there are some crimes that are not taken lightly, even in prison.

Anyway, if all of that is proved, if that bastard never sees sunlight, it will be too soon. I doubt he is sane enough to even contemplate what he has done, but you never know.