Honestly, has anyone ever beaten this guy without cheating? If you have, I would surley like to hear the tale and would tip my proverbial adventurer's hat to you. I took my Undead Hunter up to 12th level and armed him with the Holy Avenger I wrested from Firkraag before I attempted Kangaxx. I also had Keldorn in my party who was wielding the Sun Sword (+4 and double damage against undead), Aerie and Nalia blistering with breach and lower resistance spells, Jahiera with her summon woodland being spells and Viconia with false dawn spells. We took out Kangaxx's first incarnation (a normal lich)pretty quickly, but once he rose as the demilich, the party was over (literally!!). Once we would reduce him to "barely injured", he would cast imprisonment on <charname> and that would be it.
I must have attempted him about twenty times before I resorted to Shadow Keeper. Interesting enough, I gave my Undead Hunter 100% magic resistance and reduced all his saving throws to 1 and Kangaxx STILL imprisoned him every time. I think that the game is coded so that you cannot win that battle. I mean, with 100% magic resistance I should not have fell prey to his imprisonment spell every time! Does anybody have any info on this? It would be pretty lame to include a monster that cannot be beaten, especially if it's undead and you are playing an undead hunter. In proper role playing, my character would have been honor bound to kill this creature at any cost. And, to dangle the best ring in the game and the proverbial carrot...

[ May 09, 2003, 06:38: Message edited by: drahala ]

Tehehe.

http://www.sorcerers.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=003774#000008

Ofcourse he has been beaten without cheating. But it ain't easy. The Demi-lich form needs +4 weapons or better to hit (the sun sword does not hit as +4),he regenerates quite fast and is immune to all 9th level spells and lower.so in the early game without cheese it's nearly impossible to take him out. But as you progress in levels there are many ways to whack him without having to resort to any form of cheating.

The protection from undead&magic scrolls are in the game for a reason for example. use them. it's not cheating. There's a mage spell out there which can protect you from the imprisiment-spell.use summoned monsters as fodder.use that ring of ram etc etc

Protection from Magic scroll + Staff of Magi or Holy Avenger or any +4 or better weapon. Easy.

Keep in mind he gets imprisonment at will. And after he stops using that (I managed to protect all my people by using summoned things) he starts a blasting away with high level spells like meteor swarm, delayedblast fireball and horrid wilting. He is not an easy fight... Also I figure he has damage resistance of something/+6. +6 weapons seem to do normal damage to him. (note, this was after TOB) I fought him during SOA as high level characters and it was not easy. I also fought him with the mod that makes him tougher instead of using imprisonment all the time... That took level 34+ characters to beat him... He is not an easy kill but well worth it. His rings are the best in the game. I forget what spell it is but it protects specifiacally against imprisonment. Kill him before he starts killing your people with his nasty spells.

Kangaxx is a tough guy , thats fer sure...but can be easyly beaten if you pay attencion to certain things in the game...like...the existence of the undead and magic protection scrolls.They are good agaisnt kangaxx but better than that is the lv 5 mage spell...Spell immunity ...that protects you from imprisonemt....BTW magic resistance doesnt matter against imprisionament spell...sme thing for saving throwns...read the manual first ok? ;)

errr? excuse me but WHERE is Kangaxx? ( I know... WHAT A SHAME) I beat the saga twice and I never found this dreadfull foe, This game will always suprise me! No spell work? I think my Sorc will have a HARD TIME,
"hooray I throw bullet to a Undead mage "

There is a house next to Maevar's guild house in the Dock's district. Go into the basement.

I decided to test my skills against this guy at last, his ordinary lich form took a severe battering, but when he became a demilich, people jus disappeared i take it when he does imprisonment they don't come back?
Is there anything that can prevent this spell from working?

Despite people disappearing I have managed to beat him.

Hmmmm... Did you take a look at the link I posted way up there? It tells you several ways to protect against Imprisonment. Also, if you have a Scroll of Freedom, it will bring your people back.

I'm sure most people figured this out, but changing your main character into the "monster" is an easy way to kill Kangaxx.

For some reason, when transformed, you are immune to Imprisonment.

Then I had to run the rest of my party away from him for about 3 minutes until it wore off.

Does that count as cheating?

Javalar,

Yes, yes it does.

Unless by "monster" you mean using one of your standard shapeshifting forms... but NOT making yourself a Red Dragon!

In fact, I just beat Kangaxx this weekend... and in the usual way... after getting beaten several times...

I just: a) summoned creatures with an eye to send at the first guy, and pummel with mini meteors, some arrows got through (? not sure how, could be breach, etc) and Minsc got in a few whacks late with Lilacor. Keldon with a protection from magic soaked up spells after the summoned creatures - 3 batches of them soaked up most of his fury.

Demi Lich: I sent in my mage with Spell immunity - abj up front to soak up the imprisionment spells and more summoned creatures while Keldorn with +5 sword whacked over her head. The other mage sent in more meteors, Cleric did 2 doom bolts, ram ring, and Nalia cast Daystar's spell - dead.

Of course they were all protected from evil, undead, aided, blessed, hasted, and fried in pure vegetable oil so they wouldn't stick...

Maybe the game got tired of beating me.... but has anyone noticed that fights get easier after a few losses? or is it just my imagination?

[ May 27, 2003, 22:11: Message edited by: spoogemonkey ]

Ill tell u how i did it.....

It requires either Keldorn or ur own character to be a paladin, and u must have beaten Firkraag (to get the Carsomyr) also, u must have a berseker (minsc, korgan)

There is method behind the madness... a berseker using their unique Berserk skill are immune to imprisonment... so the idea is.. get ur beserked berserker to stand in as close proximity to the kangaax and possible (or, at the very least... closer than ur paladin) so, while kangaax wastes his imprisonments on a character on which it has no effect, he is taking damage from ur palading :)

U may need to berserk ur fighter a couple of times, depending on how good ur palading is.... it may take a few quick loads and a few dozen, but this is the way i did it, there may be a better way, but i have used this method about 4 times... never failed me..

Hopes this helps!

edit: Btw, reading back thru a few posts, i wud just like to point out: Imprisionment is an 'unsavorable spell' saving throws have no effect, if it is cast on u, ur are gone (unless of course u are berserked... or some other way i have yet to find out)

[Gaaah! Why are we being inundated with new people who both refuse to spell out the words "you" and "your", and also refuse to read the forum rules and FAQ like they were asked to when they registered, so they would know it is prohibited? :mad: - BTA]

[ May 28, 2003, 04:58: Message edited by: Blackthorne TA ]

I disagree with the assertion that using the slayer to kill Kangaxx claffifies as cheating. If using the Slayer transformation to kill him is cheating, then isn't the berzerker's rage cheating as well? Of course not; it's just an ability that your character has that just happens to be useful in this particular situation. Using a cheezy bug like fake talking is cheating. Using the slayer transformation is a tactic, and a pretty effective one in this case.

Six words how I did it: Fifty Melf's Minute Meteors, Spell Immunity.

Two words for Spitfire: Forum Rules.

Oops, sorry all...

I'm afraid I neglected to read the forum rules before posting :(

I apologise unreservedly for any inconvenience or irritation I may have caused with my disgraceful lack of intelligence and 'proper' English. I can promise you that it will not happen again, all future posts will (hopefully!) abide by the forum regulations.

Forgiven? :angel:

I've never battled this lich, but I don't see it as being difficult. Every lich I've fought so far, I did so with a solo character and found it to be a cakewalk, including Shangalar. On level 13, may I add.

Everyone says he's hard, and he wasn't, so what's to stop Kangaxx from being a thousand year old pushover?

Once I find him, I'll be added to the roster who killed him, not only without cheating, but also with a solo character, most likely low level as well!

I'm sure we'd all love to hear how you'll do that without resorting to any cheesy tactics.

I am aware that if *you* can't do it, you'll never believe that *I* can. Such is life. It's called jealous denial.

Cheesy tactics? Like?

Don't presume things about me, you hardly know me well enough for that. As long as you explain in detail how you did it I don't see why anyone wouldn't believe you. Your battle can be reproduced, after all, so anyone can try it.

Check this little trick out...
The downloadable NPC "Valen", available at sorcerers, has a weapon (hands) that does 1d6+2... not very appealing. But after considering the fact that her hands do level drain, i realized that although Kangaxx doesn't take DAMAGE from +4 weapons or better, he still is HIT... therefore Valen with a scroll of magec protection can drain levels from the Demi-Lich and eventually you can instantly kill him with a cloudkill. I haven't tried this, but there is a good chance it might work. If anybody does it resp.

What's the point in downloading a mod for an easy fight?

As long as you don't CHEAT, and what you do is still good roleplaying, it isn't cheesy at all. I do neither, so don't worry about that.

Most of the official walkthroughs suggest using a scroll of magic protection. HAH! That, my friend, is not cheesy, and I *still* don't need that! Now please cease making fun; just because *you* can't take down Shangalar on that level.

I can't recall ever seeing anyone so blatently arrogant and pompous.... I think im just gonna stand here in stunned silence for a moment....

And yet you haven't matched my accomplishments, nor have you proven me wrong.

As the simplest answer is getting a weapon that can damage a demilich, and a scroll that will protect you from his magics, why go any further than that? It's in the simplicity that you can find the power and intelligence, so to speak.

As for you Abazigal, what accomplishments? Do you know that I can actually fly in real life? You know, put my hand up and "whoosh" go up in the air? How'd you prove me wrong, you never saw me do that, afterall. Yeah I bet I can beat Irenicus solo at level 1 while polymorphed into a rabbit by a third party member too.

I mean, come on. You've done an excellent job wasting our time here on useless bragging, but how about you gave us something to back your claims up eh?

HAHAHAHAHA! Excellent post Foradasthar! ;)

All right, knock it off you bozos. Stick to the topic.

AWWW! but ripping a complete nogger is sooo much fun! :(

[What part of "Stick to the topic" didn't you get? - BTA]

[ May 31, 2003, 19:54: Message edited by: Blackthorne TA ]

All you need is a magic protection scroll, and there is a [snip] available from the [snip]

All you do is keep the 5 npcs by the door, walk right up to the cask, cast the scroll and then get your PC to keep hitting him with the sling - .

No cheating there, surely?

[ToB area & item removed.] -Tal

[ June 01, 2003, 14:50: Message edited by: Taluntain ]

What is this "XP" you speak of? Are there slings hidden in experience points or something? Hurhm.

He didn't read the forum descriptions so he posted about a ToB area. I removed the spoiler.

I tried this battle recently with my level 13/14 party. Protection from Undead wasn't useful for me because my entire party must be in the room. If I use the scroll on one guy, Kangaxx simply attacks someone else (you can't position everyone out of visual range). You could try invisibility, sanctuary, etc. to get around this, but I decided to fight him straight up. Fortunately, the magic resistance from Carsomyr and some pretty good saving throws kept me from too much damage. Dispel magic, true sight, and breach wore him down, and the instant his protection from magical weapons was down I used improved haste on my inquisitor to finish him off.

I fought him several times (reloads) and he likes using the power words stun and death, mislead, protection from magical weapons, summon efreeti, flesh to stone, finger of death, and I few others I forgot. His lich form is actually easier than some others I've fought.

BTW, Minsc's berserk does NOT protect him from being imprisoned. I found this out the hard way, of course :mad: . I used the old spell immunity: abjuration trick, but even so Kangaxx's wail of the demilich killed me a few times (reload . . .). Ring of the Ram and Carsomyr did the rest!

"BTW, Minsc's berserk does NOT protect him from being imprisoned"

I beg to differ...

I have tried this a good many times and it has never failed me. Perhaps a bug in ur game... in indeed, in mine! :rolleyes:

It could be a bug. I tried it only a few times because it was pretty obvious (and frustrating) that he's being imprisoned. Not a big deal for me because of alternate strategies.

There was a topic?

Oh yeah.... we were trying to decide who is the Baddest - Kangaxx or Abazigal's Ego? :D

[I don't like having to repeat myself mutiple times in the same thread. Don't make me do something drastic - BTA]

[ June 04, 2003, 00:38: Message edited by: Blackthorne TA ]

Wow Yaga Shura, you think your so bad? Download tactics and start playing on insane instead of very easy, then check out what It means to fight Kangaxx.

Strifestrike, check out Yaga Shura's (aka Abazigal) "Ask Abazigal" and "Ask Abazigal 2" threads (and the related replies) on the ToB forum for some insight on his/her wisdom. I may be a newbie who's not entitled to comment on such things, but still.... (Then again, it's possible he/she may be just trying to get a reaction, so if that's the case, it worked. Maybe he/she should change his/her name to "Geraldo")

(Hmmm.... I could have sworn I saw a comment by Death Rabbit referring the earlier posts... perhaps I was mistaken)

(I have a feeling I might be hearing from Taluntain on this post, and deservedly so...))

Going waaaay back to the actual original topic...

Yes, it is possible to protect all of your party members - buy them all scolls of Protection from Undead. If you do this then you can have just one person with Spell Immunity: Abjuration on and you can whack him in the ways described above. However, since Immunity can only be cast on the caster, I recommend using a spell that will allow your mage to actually hit something (Tenser's Transformation, perhaps?)

There are so many ways to cheese Kangaxx its unbelievable... Try ring of ram plus improved haste for example.

Yikes! - here we go with yet another "cheese vs legitimate tactics" debate. OK, being a newcomer to the Boards, I'll try to cut the cheeze. :D

Strifestrike, I've never actually tried your suggestion (I usually - OK, always - go with Ribald's protection scrolls), but what's so cheezey about the strategy you refer to (aside from the fact that they've been used about a gazillion times before)? At one point in time, they were probably considered to be an inventive way to beat Kangaxx. (Of course, the "at one point in time" part may be the entire point of your post.) Having said that, there's something to be said for "Tried and true". :)

I find it ridiculous that the a demilich is knocked back by the ring of ram when something as weak as a stone giant is not. Im sure he could use his powers to counter some pitiful ring enchantment. Also this makes the battle pathetically easy thanks to gesens which youll have by now (or maybe not). Kangaxx is really hard to beat in a non cruel way. Although I have tried beating him using just my guys and freedom and done it before. Its not impossible. Another way to do it is to use a low level cleric (aerie) to set his magic res extremely low.

Have any of you guys ever allowed him to imprison? Anyone that gets imprisoned can be freed if you have a freedom scroll (one scroll frees all of them, BTW). What I did was give that scroll to my protag (a mage), had him put spell trap and immunity to abjuration on, and fought the battle.

Minsc and Korgan are both immune to imprisonment if they use their berserk ability, so give them +4 or better weapons and lay the smack down.

No protection from magic or protection from undead scrolls needed.

Though in the end sadly everyone is going to use a pro magic scroll...

Hey, StrifeStrike, whatever works! I only use a one prot. from magic scroll and pound the tar out of him. That's not cheese -- that's using your resources appropriately!

I use Vhailor's Helm so that I don't use up my protection from magic scrolls -- and pound the crap out of him. That's also within the rules.