The lowest I got, was -9, before Underdark I mean...but with the Drow armour... I can get -12....

if I use the +3 armour i get from the demons in the dungeons, I think I can get it to -10 using non-drow equipment...question is... can i get it lower that that and how?

Oh yeah, my character can use a shield real well, so i'm planning to use the Crom Faeyr in one hand and a super shield in the other...

to make the ultimate fighting machine....

so whats the lowest AC u can get and how did u get it?

can you get a armour class of -12???

I tought the minimum was -10

it said in the manual that the lowest you can get is -10 how the heck did u get -12?

I managed to get -13 on my Beserker using

Helm of Balduran
Red Dragon Scale
Sentinel +4
Ring of Earth Control
Ring of Protection +2

With his Enrage ability, and 3 of my party casting defensive harmony, I could get it down to -21 for hard fights :E

Best possible is about AC-21.

That does not include spells or drow items.

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Here is an example:
Armor of the Hart -> AC-2
Dexterity 18 -> AC-6
Sentinel +4 -> AC-11
Helm of Balduran -> AC-12
Ring of Gaxx -> AC-14
Ring of Protection +2 -> AC-16
Cloak of the Sewer -> AC-17
Dak'kon's Zerth Blade -> AC-18
Boots of Phasing -> AC-20

I'm sure I've missed some item here, but which?

[This message has been edited by Earl Grey (edited April 24, 2001).]

So far I've got a -10. I've noticed I almost never get hit except for area of effect spells and the continuous chain lightning spells cast by enemy mages. I'm in CH 3, so we'll see if it gets any higher.

I tried and got AC -20 in a test run on my paladin:

-Armor of the hart -> AC -2
-dex-18 -> AC -6
-Sentinel +4 -> AC-11
-Helm of Balduran -> AC -12
-Coak of the sewers -> AC -13
-Dakhon´s Zerth Blade -> AC -14
-2 Rings of Gaxx -> AC -18 (You can pickpocket him, when you finally kill him there´s a second one :D )
-finally I boosted my dex to 25 using the potions of perception (?! giving +3 int/ +3 dex)

[This message has been edited by Ragusa (edited April 24, 2001).]

You can boost up the AC some more Ragusa if you're a fighter/mage n cast some blurs or other such spells like defensive harmony for the cleric.

Yes, but having two Ring of Gaxx would be considered most suspicious by even the most hardcore of cheaters.

Including spells and potions I get this:

AC-20 (as of my previous post, see above).
Chant -> AC-21
Defensive Harmony -> AC-23
Improved Invisibility -> AC-27
Dexterity 24 or 25 -> AC-29

Final: AC-29

Blur and many other spells can only be cast on the caster. A Dual-classed Fighter/Mage might get a better AC somehow, but I can't see how he could do that and not don armor, thereby disabling his spellcasting.

Cheating ... pickpocketing Gaax for the ring, surviving it, then killing the bastard and looting a second ring from his body isn´t cheating in my eyes, but feel welcome to correct me on that Earl ...

[This message has been edited by Ragusa (edited April 25, 2001).]

I pickpocketed him too. Fair theft in my eyes and totally beyond reproach. Why should pickpocketing an item be considered suspicious in anybodies estimation?

you can cast the mage spell without armor n then don the armor. there is also cleric spells.

Getting two Ring of Gaxx is cheating because you are exploiting a bug in the game.

Pick pocketing is fair and good, but killing that target to get a duplicate of that item cannot be other than using a game flaw.


There is only one Ring of Gaxx.

[This message has been edited by Earl Grey (edited April 25, 2001).]

Sorry but where does it say that there is only ONE ring of Gaxx. It may well be that the second ring is a bonus goodie for those brave or quick enough to attempt to rob him. Should we therefore consider the +2 ring that you can steal from one of Jaheiras messengers as a bug/glitch too?....Or should we consider any stolen RING as a bug/glitch.

Personally I think not. :)

PS. Potion of perception gives a 20% increase to some thieving skills for 6 hours, it gives no dex' or int' bonuses.

[This message has been edited by Big Bad Bert (edited April 25, 2001).]

Earl: Imagine someone who´s daring and goes to pickpocket Gaxx and kills him later to find out, to his joyfull surprise, that there are two of this fancy and useful rings - that happened to me ;)

Someone like that is doubtless a cheating coward exploiting a game bug :rolleyes:

Cheating necessarily needs knowledge of what you do! You may blame people to repeat this nice coup *but not* for just finding out about it themselves!

[This message has been edited by Ragusa (edited April 25, 2001).]

I had my undead hunter wear:

- red dragon scale(AC -1)
- ring of gaxx(+2 AC)
- ring of protection +2(+2 AC)
- cloak of the sewers(+1 AC)
- helm of balduran(+1 AC)

with dexterity of 18...an AC of -11...but...
after changing into the Slayer form I realized, that my char got a -10 BONUS on the AC so it was AC of -21!!!

if u guys used shields..i think it can get lower that that.. like in the Ust Natha... i stole the Shield of Sentinels from this drow trader....u can buy it of course...and its +4!!! the one i bought from Ribald was only +3!!!

actually having two ring of kagaxx is not cheating....i think it was purpusefully put there to make thef a more valuable character....just like others game...

bg1 got tat algernorn cloack.....

and icewind dale got a whole bunch...

and maybe kagaxx wear two rings....just like our char

[This message has been edited by volkov_2001 (edited April 25, 2001).]

if my char had used the sentinel +4 shield his Ac would have been -16!!! Impressive, Isn't it?

Naturally we are are free to use how ever many Ring of Gaxx we like if we feel that it improves the playing experience. :)

Maybe the designers meant for Kangaxx to have his unique ring stolen and then immediately out of nowhere create another identical ring? Hmmm, yes I think you are right... it was probably meant to be that way. :p


Big Bad Bert wrote:
"Should we therefore consider the +2 ring that you can steal from one of Jaheiras messengers as a bug/glitch too?"

No, but if you kill him and find another identical ring on his body you should realise that it's a bug.


Ragusa wrote:
Someone like that is doubtless a cheating ... exploiting a game bug
Since exploiting a bug is generally considered to be cheating, then yes, he is cheating. However cheating at a game is IMHO only bad if it has a negative consequence for another player. One such possibility is if you give advice to someone and the advice is based on cheating. That might not be too helpful.

Cheating necessarily needs knowledge of what you do!
In this case any player would at least give the oddity of getting the same ring twice from the same creature a fleeting thought. Because of how good the item is the player may subconsciously block out what reason tells him and rationalize it by thinking he should not doubt the perfection of the game designers.

Btw, Ragusa, just so there is no doubt about it, my arguing here is in no way critique of you. I hold your knowledge in the highest regard. For example your posts on weapon proficiencies was very enlightning to me. :)

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I can't tell if you guys are serious about this or just pulling my leg...

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[This message has been edited by Earl Grey (edited April 25, 2001).]

Had i used drow armor, my char's Ac would have been -17

Don't cheat with the ring of Gaxx guys! It kills the adventure when everybody has two ring of G. and has saving throws of 0, -1.

A bunch of half-gods they'll be.

Off topic, but... in Planescape: Torment, the Protection From Evil spell granted +2 AC cumulative. -24 was the lowest possible AC. I believe its also possible in BG1.

I got -18 with minsc.


gauntlets of dexterity
red dragon armour
gaax ring
and some other stuff
the dex gauntlets put him somewhere in the region of -6 and then the gaax rings put him to -7 and the dragon scales put him up to about -10, i think, and then all the other equipment, potions and stuff, put him to -18.

Ahem, TIN_MAN ... I just wanted to mention that ... but as a chield of Bhaal ... you actually *are* a halfgod, so it is absolutely all right (and not at all surprising) to be exceptional in some way :D

And considering Imoen ... there are already two of them ... so ... are two a bunch already? :confused: ;) :p

[This message has been edited by Ragusa (edited April 26, 2001).]

Yes Ragusa, you have a point there.

But the others ain't got that heritage, Minsc for example.

yeah well... Boo can really chew ur enemies up... maybe if he lost some weight and grew some wings to jump off minsc shoulders and eat into the face of that wicked vampire!

yeah... but i get what u mean... dont want to spoil the game for the others...

Ok, to settle the matter.

The RIng of Protecton +2 cannot be worn with the Armor of the Hart, so you have to go with Red Dragon Scales.

Class: Swashbuckler/Fighter lvl 10/19
Class bonus +3 -> AC 7
Red Dragon Scale -> AC -4
Dex bonus -> AC -8
Sentinel Shield -> AC -13
Ring of Prot +2 -> AC -15
Ring of Gaxx -> AC -17
Helm of Balduran -> AC -18
Cloak of the Sewers -> AC -19
Boots of Phasing -> AC -21
Defend of Easthaven -> AC -22

Here yu go.

yeah... u cant use any ring of protection or cloak or protection if u use echanted armour....

where exactly do i meet this red dragon?

Red Dragon Scale is not considered "enchanted" though, so Modjahed's list works fine. :)