What "Boss" creatures do you feel hardest?

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Poll Results: Hardest "Boss" (76 votes.)

Hardest boss (Choose 1)
* Jon Irenicus - 12% (9)
* Bodhi - 3% (2)
* Firkragg - 16% (12)
* Nizidramanii'yt - 7% (5)
* Thaxll'ssillyia - 4% (3)
* Kangaxx - 41% (31)
* Others - 18% (14)

Kangaxx I suppose

Same as Sarevok, but I never understood why people think Firkragg is hard and I play on core rules.

I've had more trouble with Jon than Kangaxx.

I guess things depend on ones playing style. Kangaxx is almost impossible for me while Jon and Firkragg were easily beaten on no more than 2 attempts.

yes T also had problem with Kangaxx...... imprisonment killed me instantly and I tried about 10times to beat him(with prot from magic scroll)

Who is this Kangaxx? Played game over few times but cant remember.. Some optional quest i guess. Where is he and what is he?

A Lich/Demilich, you meet him in that quest, where you have to get those golden bodyparts.

Hmm ... I donno ... the memphits looked kinda scary the first time I played the game :mommy:

I wouldn't say that any of the dragons are that difficult. I've killed all but Adalon and have always found one way or the other of killing them. I killed the Shadow dragon when my party was of average L10 :eek:
Bodhi and Jonny boy are not that difficult, comparably. Both fall pretty easily by the time you get to them.

Kangaxx and the Twisted Rune continue to be damn difficult when ever I play.

First time through, I have to say Kangaxx. I didn't know how to hit him and had get help on killing him. Other creatures I was able to grind through one way or another.

But once you know the tricks, Kangaxx is easy to beat.

First time out I would agree that Kangaxx was the toughest but now I find him to be no challenge - he is pretty much a one trick pony and once you are ready for him he is no trouble at all.

I never have any problems with either Irenicus or Bodhi - those fights are almost always over in no time with my characters barely ever being injured.

So that leaves the three dragons. Of the three dragons I would have to say that Firkragg seems to put up the best fight. Thaxll'ssillyia has always seemed really easy for some reason and by the time I fight Nizidramanii'yt I am normally powerful enough to wipe the floor with him without any trouble.

Thus, by process of elimination, I would have to give my vote to Firkragg. I guess my generally taking him on relatively early has something to do with that. On the odd occassion he will manage to wing buffet my tanks out of the way and BBQ my mages. He never manages to win but at least he puts up a bit of a fight.

I was thinking about the Twisted Rune but then I realized that the last half dozen times I have taken them out so easily that it was kind of a joke.

I guess this is why I never play the game unmodded anymore.

Speaking of mods, what mods u guys think are the best? I mean, i dont enjoy playing any mods which have imbalanced items or anything like that..(havent tried any mods this far tho) and if i play multiplayer with my friend, do both players have to have the mod installed or is it enough that only the hosting player has it installed?

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While not a "Boss" I've always had a tough time with Tanova in Bodhi's lair. Since I usually try to head to Spellhold early, I'm pretty low level when I hit her. She's not so bad now that I've played this game quite a bit, but still - I remember the first time I used a Protection from Undead scroll, I had a fighter with Azure Edge cleaning up the place - and found out too late that she could see right through the protection, ooops.

the hardest boss for me was Kangaxx unmoded and Irenecus in Tactics Mode. in my first encounter with Kangaxx (i was a newbie obviously) i spent days to figure out a way to beat him.

Twisted Rune on insane. Their numbers usually get me, if not their difficulty.

Kangaxx, because my party doesn't expect him to not die the first time usually :p

The Darksun Halflings. Short of tactics, they acount for the fight with greatest number of times I've had to reload. (first game) Tolgerias is a close second.

Assuming that Thassy is the Shadow Dragon, I'd say him. I almost always take the Umar Hills quest first, since I really like the Shadow Dragon Armor. Plus, I've never really come up with good dragon fighting tactics, aside from massive buffing. As it is, I've always just ground through them the hard way: lots of reloads and ressurecting.

Kangaxx is only hard because he throws an endless supply of Inprisonment spells at you and has an endless supply of pre-configured Spell Trigger or Chain Contingency spells. Once you remove enough of his bluffs to actually hit him, the throws up 3 more bluffs! :bang:

A true "boss" would have a massive amount of HP, reasonable resistances, a good defense, and a good offense...not overpowered to the point where itcan kill any party member with one hit...even at lvl 20.

Once you remove enough of his bluffs to actually hit him, the throws up 3 more bluffs! [bangs head against wall] Kangaax tries to trick you?

@Kitrax and Klorox
Yes and No. because kangaxx tells you to get his body,and that's tricks. but what kitrax is saying is not bluff, but buff

Your list should've included the tactics versions as well...Improved Irenicus...now there's a cheap, overpowered, unbalanced, downright CHEAT of a fight. :)

JSBB we think like one man ...

P.S. the Kangaxx axaxaaxxaxaxa he is only at one stun and like it is said Kangaxx Has left the building

I had problems with Tanova vampire, of course, but the most annoying battle I had was in Baator, when the Planar Sphere arrived there. These three demons wiped the floor with my 250.000 adventurers. :(

Other bosses were easy.

Seems like any discussion of the hardest boss has to differentiate between the un-modded SoA and SoA with the Tactics mod installed, eh?

That said, I found Irenicus pretty damn difficult the first time through, especially since you have to kill him again after the first frickin' time. Had a coupla bodies laying around after that fight (Anomen, Imoen, maybe one other), but I got through it eventually.

Haven't reached Firkraag or any major boss yet since installing Tactics (as part of BP), but I'll be relishing the challenge when I get there...

[ May 13, 2005, 14:40: Message edited by: Derkoth the Disgruntled ]

First dragon fight will always live in my memory - just thinking "that thing's frikkin' huge!" :eek: :eek: :eek:

Mine was the shadow dragon. Not really the hardest boss... but the most memorable!

for me it was Firkraag ... irenicus and the others all went down reasonably easy (well 1-2 reloads at most) ... it might be because i had better spells and strategies by the time i got to the others ... but Firkraag just whooped my ass :(

Irenicus is good, a fair fight unless you are very high level or employ cheese.

Bodhi... pretty easy, the only difficulty is if you fail some saves from charm effects.

Shadow dragon- I once killed this just out of Chateau irenicus with an archer. There's a certain type of arrows, say no more.

Black dragon- by this point, dragons become easy enough to MM to death or just thump.

Kangaxx- as they say, a one trick pony. A headache when you first see him, then he becomes just so much paste on your mace.

Firkraag was the one that got my vote, because i tend to fight him before I get lower resistance or good enough thac0 to beat him.

The last lot of cowled mages are pretty tough though, with all those time stops. Optional fight, so its fair enough.

how do you beat Kangaxx so easily?

There are several tried and tested methods, search the boards - this is probably the most asked question in the history of BG2. It may be worth a sticky at the top of the board or something. There are also a few guides available to download which go into detail on fights like this.

Basically its Kangaxx's second form thats the problem. If you can't beat the first one forget about the second one.
There are two elements to consider here - he casts ranged imprisonment every round and he can only be hit by +4 weapons or more, I'm pretty sure spells below 8th level are useless as well.

So you need a weapon - some examples are
Holy Avenger
Mace of Disruption (strikes as +4 or +5 can instant kill as well)
Staff of Magi (I think)
Staff or Rynn (this takes a bit of time as he regenerate fairly quickly)
Sword of Backstabbing+4 (I think)
Use the cloak of stars to make some +5 darts (A brave move)
There maybe others but I can think)

And you need to protect your character from imprisonment-
Use a protection from Magic scroll
Use protection from Undead scroll (not sure)
Send somebody over whos beserked or enraged
Use the Slayer form (not tried this one)
Use the spell protection from magic (abjuration)

One easy way is to use a protection from magic scroll. Get someone like Keldorn with the Holy Avenger sword, use the prot from magic scroll on him and march him up and chop away. Kangaxx will hapily try to imprison him every round, 500 years of sitting in his tomb seem to have addled his brains a little. Make sure you hold the other characters back. Some other cheap shots involve traps, which can slay the first form in the blink of an eye. You can then use the ring of the ram to knock him into the top right corner. This should also be loaded with traps to finish off the second form.

What about using those +5 Darts with an Assassins Poison? I heard this goes through stoneskins, and this would probably make it harder for him to pull of spells.

I had to vote for Thaxyllissilia or whoever. When I first played through I was a cavalier imported from BG1 with crazy good stats. I was completely at a loss. I didn't even have a thought as to how I might be able to use my skills against this dragon. My character was using melee of some kind because in my role-playing mind a paladin would see range fighting as cowardly. Everytime I got close enough to take a swing at the dragon it wing buffeted me and knocked us all out and across the room. I cheaped through killing it by using Aerie and Nalia, casting as many cloudkills as possible and reading several cloudkill scrolls and draining to cloudkill wands I had happened across. Eventually the dragon suffocated and I hung my hed in shame while I skipped off to make shadow dragon scale armor. Every other boss I had tactics and power by the time I met them. I still have never fought Kangaxx. Just never got around to it and now I am stuck with his flaming quest.

(By the way the last sentence was a shamless plug of my thread requesting info for getting to battle Kangaxx. I feel so sleazy. So my Viccy romance feels that much more right, baby.)

Check out my SotW (http://www.sorcerers.net/image.php?image=Main/SotW/May05/Kangaxx.jpg) baby! Woot! Was it a fluke or did I get lucky or what? :grin:

How you kill the lich is your problem. I usually do it by dropping a ton of traps, skulltraps and delayed blast fireballs (if someone can cast them) at the site where it is generated. Once the lich is dead, the demi-lich appears.

Tap Dancing Oyster (is TDO ok?) has some good points.
Protection from Undead scrolls: a number of these will be sold to you by merchants in the Promenade. It basically means that no undead can see/target you while the spell is in place. Simply hack at your will.
This makes the most sence RP'wise imo, since you know you are gonna face atleast one more lich. Combining this scroll with the Vailor's Helm is so :evil:
Protection from Magic scroll: Use it on Kangaxx himself :grin: Now try casting spells you jerk! :lol:

Kangaxx the Demi-Lich is basically immune to all damage from spells of levels 1 to 9. Only epic spells can harm him. So melee bashing is the way to go.
It seems that he has immunity to a couple of elements but not to all. A weapon like the +4 halberd you get from the group which attacks you in the underdark is a good idea. FoA is of no use since +3 weapons can't hit him. IMoD is the best weapon against all undead ofcourse.

whats the name of that silver dragon in the underdark?

she always seemed to put up a good fight

That would be Adalon. But why on earth would you fight her? To much hassle IMO.

I actually found Irenicus the hardest on my first run through, since i didn't find either the twisted rune nor Kangaxx, Firkraag fell to a utterly lucky feeblemind, and the shadow dragon i beat fair and square. Long time ago, but i still remember it ;)
Bodhi was a piece of cake with protection from negative energy. (That's what it's called right?)

Therefore, Irenicus was the worst. Spells, Protections, Demons, Slayerchange... Bothersome bugger.

@Thor- You're thinking of Negative Plane Protection.

I started another game recently and had a tough time with Tarnor the Hatchetman and his crew in the sewers under the Temples district. I think it was just an unlucky party on my part that I couldn't take him that easily. It was the first time I found how useful Yoshimo's Special Snares can be. I usually get rid of him in favor of a real warrior. Good Gaming.

Tarnor and Firkraag were impossible until I returned after having much higher hit points, spells and weapons. This is the case with various monsters, etc. at any early stage of the game.

The second most difficult area I encountered was the Compound in the Temple District. Again, this was impossible until I returned for the third or fourth time. I only won after several reloads and because I could resurrect my dead companions.

As I said elsewhere (Golden legs and Golden Torso), I found the second manifestation of Kangaxx impossible to take out, because no matter what tactic or strategy I tried, at least one of my adventurers disappeared.

I thought they had been disintegrated and learned via the Message Board that they had been "imprisoned." I was not able to use the 9th level Free spell to free them so I resorted to becoming the Slayer. Only the second and last time I resorted this. K 2 was a piece of cake to take out!!

Spell Immunity:Abjuration for Imprisonment.
Spell Immunity: ALteration for Teleport Field...which is what the improved version uses...

Get those up, and you can bash him with anyone you want. You might want to get your tank to use those scrolls through the potion swap method, and then bash on them.

Keldorn with a Girdle of Giant Strength and Carsomyr +5 and Improved Haste is nice... :D

I find the Demogorgon very hard. Usually need cannon fodder... But there are 5 of them, not 'one' boss.
The Baalor is very hard too, and this demon in Spellhold (for the Doom plate).
I often have a lot of difficulties with Tanova. What level is that mage? It's easier if you have Keldorn in the party.
I voted others, but in the list, Firkraag seems the toughest. Yet there are tactics...
Bodhi can hit you each time and deal 20 or so damage even if you have very good AC, but if you pelt her with all your party, she'll soon fall.

OT: the Dark Halflings are not a big problem if you can summon a Skeleton Warrior (cheese?)

The most troublesome (unmodded) encounter was [snip].


Most difficult? Pontifex... this one's simply evil.

[ToB location removed.] -Tal

[ June 04, 2005, 12:35: Message edited by: Taluntain ]

who is Tavona?

Tanova? (sp?) The vampire-mage in Bodhi's lair, guarding the spikes room.

I voted Firkraag, I remember having so much trouble with him the first time around. I didn't find Kangaxx untill I found these boards and by that time I knew how to defeat him. BTW, I usually go for tarnor the Hatchetman & Co very early, it's an easy fight if you buff and cast insect plague, greater malison, chaos, slow, fireballs etc. maybe send in a thief to backstabb one of the spellcasters beforehand and/or use poison arrows/bolts on them.

With the proper planning and a little bit of tactics Firkrag is a breeze. He's only tricky oif you rush in without any prep.

Don't think he should be on the list, but I guess some folks find him tough.

So, my nifty 6 man around level 13 party got thrown into spellhood catacombs. Walked around, solved stupid riddles and kicked an vamps butt back to nirvana.

Then it happened. We threw a freaking gem into the portal and what poped out? A full grown, blodthirsty pit fiend. (Improved demons installed).

BANG!!!!! 5 Seconds after its apearance it one hittet Kelsey and clawed down Jaheira, Minsk (one hit victim) and Imoen (one hit victim)before we could cast p-from evil.


The 2 remaining Clerics (me and anomen) mauled it with their Hammers but suddenly it gated in another fiend.

With our truesights running out, we were hard pressed to clobber them down in time, they always ran away invisible for some seconds till ts refreshed and healed a bit. In the end we sent 7 (!) of em back to Hell.


The Demon did hit us with 500-999 damage in the beginning.


That was my first encounter with improved Demons.

Major OUCH.

^^

Without these handy Area prot from evil spell, that thing would have eaten us in a matter of seconds.


Ok, Demons arent Bosses per se, but hey, they almost do feel like bosses. (specialy with a freaking lich dispelling your prot from evil.

Thx shangalar...

I play on Insane and Frikrag always gives me heck! also the shadow dragon in the temple ruins is a pain but hes nothing comapred to frikrag

The bosses listed were all tough at the beginning. After you figure a way to beat them, it's all ice cream and lollipops.

I voted 'Other', simply because I abso-smurfly hate one creature - the undead. Be they zombies, skeletons, vampires, liches, mummies, etc. I've always had a pension to get drained, magiked or generally beat to death by them. Never liked them in any D&D/role-playing game I ever played. Usually because of their immunities. Way too much information for my wee little brain to contemplate! :rolleyes:

As for Tactics, I've not and never will play that mod. Weimer makes it too hard for me to just enjoy playing. Apparently, some of his buffed-up monsters (bosses or what have you) can cast spells no matter what you do to disable them - Insect Plague/Creeping Doom. They're using 'scrolls' which can't be disrupted. How much fun do you get by constantly reloading? :wail: