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SORVO THE SLAYER#27
Thu, 6th Sep '01, 2:04am
No pun intended. Considering you are a half god just past puberty!

Mirkwood
Thu, 6th Sep '01, 2:09am
Yes, since the designers of the game didn't intend you to be a two-timing sonofa***** ;)

But cheating is a harsh word, I like to call it "having fun".

SORVO THE SLAYER#27
Thu, 6th Sep '01, 2:12am
It isnt three timing if they all know.

Caliban
Thu, 6th Sep '01, 6:45am
Ive had Aerie and Jaheria both talking romance to me at the same time, and talking **** to each other in the middle of it. Verbal match over my chaotic good archer!

No cheating involved... its below my standards.

Caliban

SORVO THE SLAYER#27
Thu, 6th Sep '01, 6:50am
I already know about all that, I'm talking about installing the romance patch.

Lokken
Thu, 6th Sep '01, 7:24am
Ofcourse it is cheating, because you use a 3rd party patch/crack/hack that makes the game different. But it is YOUR game, so wether cheating or not, play it as you like :)

Modjahed
Thu, 6th Sep '01, 2:23pm
Have you tried to go out with more than one girl at a time in RL?

It takes nerve, patience, luck and a very high stamina. But the only way for it to go on is that none of the girls will know of the other.

HOWEVER, if you are an arab shakh, or you are a mormon, you can have a whole harem to yourself. :D

I don't think its cheating, because a romance is not something you can powergame - you have to roleplay them.

Roleplaying is alwas fun, so the more fun you have, the better.

Hurt
Thu, 6th Sep '01, 4:27pm
Spoken like a true roleplayer Modjahed. :)

Extremist
Thu, 6th Sep '01, 4:32pm
I said it before. It is cheating.

BG2 is not real life. It is cheating.

You're not arab shakh nor a mormon in this game. It is cheating.

It can be powergamed from console. It is cheating.

It is not roleplaying since you can finish the romance without keeping one "exact" role. It is cheating.

Julius Skull
Thu, 6th Sep '01, 6:02pm
I didn't know mormons had harems.... then again i didn't know Modjahed had dates either. In the words of digital underground there sorvo (like kevin sorvo? Or is that sorbo. Whatever.) do watchalike.

tjekanefir
Thu, 6th Sep '01, 8:01pm
I think sleeping with three different women behind each other's backs constitutes 'cheating', all right.

Oh, you mean cheating in the GAME. (-:

Well, that too, really. How realistic is it that you could keep all this lovetalking a secret? The other characters couldn't HELP but overhear some of it. And don't try to tell me the ladies would cheerfully share you, either. That's not roleplaying, it's nothing but a bad rationalization. All three of the women are programmed to explicitly tell you they're dumping you if you don't knock it off with so-and-so. Aerie dumps you if you sleep with Phaere, and Viconia killed one of her husbands for cheating on her. Don't try and tell me these women are supposed to be a harem, please. (-:

SORVO THE SLAYER#27
Thu, 6th Sep '01, 8:14pm
It's Sorvo(the name of my D&D character from "78") So anything that didn't come with the game is cheating?

Divine Shadow
Thu, 6th Sep '01, 8:20pm
Viconia: WHAT THE IN THE ABYSS ARE YOU DOING?!
PC: Erh...hehehe...Viconia...it...it isn't what you think!
Erm...eh...uh...suddenly me and Aerie's clothes began to dissolve...its must be that curse that Irenicus...
Viconia: Groin kick: PC
PC: Took 50 points of groin kick damage from Viconia.
PC: Ow! Ow!

tjekanefir
Thu, 6th Sep '01, 9:57pm
No, but anything so dumbass you have to be a 26th level lawyer to even start trying to justify it is. (-: Try to convince me the characters Aerie, Jaheira, and Viconia would either not notice that you're sleeping with more than one of them, or would not care. Just try.

And if you've decided their personalities as they're consistently portrayed in the game are irrelevant, well, then what the hell do you want to role-play the romances with them for anyway?

Julius Skull
Thu, 6th Sep '01, 10:51pm
My next character will be a woman. I'm going to try to strike a romance with anomen jaheira and boo, all at the same time. Will it work?

lost in ahm

Extremist
Thu, 6th Sep '01, 10:59pm
Surprisingly, it will work!

I'll just tell you that boo is a sort of a mute and you'll never know if you screwed the romance or it's still rolling... :p :p

SORVO THE SLAYER#27
Thu, 6th Sep '01, 11:30pm
I'm a half-god from utah that just flew in on a spelljammer.

TIN_MAN
Fri, 7th Sep '01, 12:38pm
Whatever. Have fun romancing Boo?!!

Gonzago
Fri, 7th Sep '01, 3:31pm
Won't Boo leave you for Richard Gere?

Rothgar
Fri, 7th Sep '01, 4:41pm
Nutty Professor 2 anyone? Only that hamster wasn't quite miniature... ;)

Kailynne Johanne
Fri, 7th Sep '01, 7:48pm
Just a thought.. an anti-extremist point of view one... (with no slight to the poster using that nickname)...

1. Life is not made of many absolutes. One of the few is, if you are not dead then you are alive - but philosophers still argue about the definitons of both words (death/life) so arguing about what constitutes cheating places us on the level of the great academics!
2. If I remember correctly BG2 is a game. By most normal concepts of "game purpose", that means that whatever it takes to make the game enjoyable actually furthers the purpose of the game itself - increasing the enjoyment of he/she/those who play. Therefore, running multiple romances via a "patch" is not cheating by that definition.
3. Having played through 3 of the 4 romances to their successful conclusions, I do not believe that actually completing them made any difference in the ultimate "win/loss" status at the end of my games except as I imported those games into TOB (and that is all I will say about TOB here). For SOA without TOB, it made no difference whatsoever.
4. Finally, a question... Why are people so incensed about how/why/with what patches other people play their individual BG2 games on their own personal computers in the solitary isolation of their own homes? If it's not a true online multi-player game, who the heck REALLY cares about what anyone else does in their game - it certainly won't affect MY game if someone else runs multiple romances simultaneously in theirs. More power to them if they can keep all of the storylines straight!

Well, that is just a penny's worth but that about sums up my thoughts.. Duharrel and I say - GO FOR IT.

[This message has been edited by Kailynne Johanne (edited September 07, 2001).]

SORVO THE SLAYER#27
Fri, 7th Sep '01, 8:00pm
Thank You!

Extremist
Fri, 7th Sep '01, 9:10pm
My dear, I don't care what you do with your game. Really, You can rename it if you want. You can delete it if you want. You can puke on it if you want. You can do anything you want...

AS LONG AS I DON'T HAVE TO SEE IT POSTED HERE AS SPAM S**T!

Ok?

Have a nice day!

[EDIT]
My dear, no matter your gender you'll be my dear. In my vocabulary there is only one "sir" named Sir Bel ;) :p
Not sensitive, that would be sometimes positive - I prefer to describe myself as touchy ;)

[This message has been edited by Extremist (edited September 07, 2001).]

Kailynne Johanne
Fri, 7th Sep '01, 9:55pm
Extremist - to reiterate... I was not talking ABOUT you up above.. I was making a point about not taking things to the extreme. Period. If you reread the post, you will see that I pointed that out...

And for what it's worth.... I prefer "Sir" to "my dear" as you have obviously mistaken my gender.

Sheesh... some people appear to be so sensitive.


[This message has been edited by Kailynne Johanne (edited September 07, 2001).]

Jack Funk
Fri, 7th Sep '01, 10:41pm
Don't worry, "Extreme-ass" isn't sensitive, he's frustrated. ;)

But be careful. Because if you anger him, you will "make the list". I made the list and now the big meany won't respond to me.

My life hasn't been the same since. :)

Kailynne Johanne
Sat, 8th Sep '01, 5:32am
<<..."make the list". I made the list and now the big meany won't respond to me...
My life hasn't been the same since. >>

Duharrel will protect me! Let's get it on!
8-) 8-)
Extremist - THAT WAS A JOKE! You do know what jokes and irony are don't you?

[This message has been edited by Kailynne Johanne (edited September 08, 2001).]

SORVO THE SLAYER#27
Sat, 8th Sep '01, 7:52am
Thanks for sticking up for me, I'll put myself up for the "list". I respect your no cheating rules and your plethora of knowledge, but it seems like your trying to run a bootcamp here Extremist!

Blackthorne TA
Sat, 8th Sep '01, 7:55am
OK that's enough nonsense for this thread; stick to the topic please...

SORVO THE SLAYER#27
Sat, 8th Sep '01, 8:02am
I'm sorry,I think that I'm too old to talking online.

[I wasn't referring to you specifically SORVO, you were simply the proverbial straw :) - BTA]

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Julius Skull
Sat, 8th Sep '01, 11:14am
Well, in all seriousness, was i the only one disturbed when things with me and aerie were looking promising when mr. butt kicking for goodness cuts in and claims her as his new queen? What's the deal there minscy, you looking for a butt kicking yourself?

Extremist
Sat, 8th Sep '01, 2:46pm
Kailynne Johanne, I know it was a joke for GS.
The upper note was for all spammers who think they grabbed God's beard when they installed ROMANCE CHEAT. And not only that, but they MUST spam here how it "ROCKS" and how it is "COOL". I don't have time to read sh*t about that cheat, ok?

Besides, when I saw that you took it too seriously I just put a "funny" edit below it, have you missed it?

Lokken
Sat, 8th Sep '01, 2:50pm
@Julius

It doesn't interfere with you romancing her, but Minsc will go berserk everytime aerie drops low on HP.

tjekanefir
Sat, 8th Sep '01, 3:37pm
Kailynne, well and good, but if people don't want to hear anyone else's opinions, they shouldn't post questions like "Do you think this is the right thing to do or not?"

If Sorvo had posted "I'm using the multi-romance patch and XYZ is happening," I wouldn't have said he was in the wrong.

Instead, he posted "Do you think using the multi-romance patch is cheating? Because I'm one horny half-god and I want 'em all!"

So I have no problem with telling it like it is. By role-playing standards, it's just plain stupid. Each of these three women makes it patently obvious in her dialogue that she is not interested in some sort of happy harem arrangement. To role-play your little menage-a-quatre, you would have to willfully ignore the fact that Aerie is saying "sleeping with a drow is so disgusting, I would dump you if you did that!" and Viconia is saying "If I found out you were interested in another woman, I would kill her." The kind of rationalization you have to go through to carry on relationships with these three women simultaneously despite their continuously saying things like that is so contrived as to be lame.

You'd have more success convincing me Anomen was gay than that Aerie, Jaheira, and Viconia would be a happy polygamous unit. At least there's nothing in Anomen's dialogue that explicitly says "homosexuality sickens me and I only like women, PC." (-:

Kailynne Johanne
Sat, 8th Sep '01, 5:54pm
Kudos to tjekanefir for the most cogent and coherent point in this entire thread.

[This message has been edited by Kailynne Johanne (edited September 08, 2001).]

SORVO THE SLAYER#27
Sat, 8th Sep '01, 8:44pm
I'll try not to post anymore stupid questions,I've never been on a chat board before!

[Actually this is a message board. God forbid everyone from here would come to the chatroom. :D ] -Tal
[still learning!]
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