I think there should be some classes that are Evil Allingment only and have some sort of special powers/weapons. For example a mage who sucks at casting spells but can transfrom himself into a demon(not slayer) or a Torturer type person. Your thoughts?

I never play evil - although even paladins lapse into thievery now and again :D

Your ideas sound good. A handy special ability would be the death gaze that Aec'letec has in BG1. That is devastating, though would need to be more high powered to counter the higher saving throws in BG2 in general.

Are you any good at Kit-Making?
I could help you along with those.

Ever heard of the BlackGuard (anti-paladin) I made on of those as a playable class.

I'd love to see a gith kit + avatar for the pc. Or drow (MR, anyone?). I think it's all wrong that an assassin can get as high as NG, but there you go..

It's extremely difficult to play an evil pc in this game...if for no other reason than you acquire so much more xp for being a goody-goody. (Pairing up the pally and the orphan, for instance, or bringing that kid his bear...god I love that line: "Never! The bear is mine!" Or some such..)

How about these kits

Battle-Master - Chaotic only
Knight - LG or LE
Follower of Darkness - Elves who wish to be Drow-like, Evil of course

Gonzago...may i just point out that a Drow is a race, not a Kit. Also, what would be the point in having wannabe-drow elves, if they want to be drow, couldnt they just walk into the underdark and become them? or commit vile evil acts to prove that they want to be drow.....

hang on..thats what you meant isnt it? duh! silly me.

Mmmmmmmmm... I will try some of the kits you guys said; but I think there should be Evil quests that are harder but get more EXP. And and sort of Evil Casyomr. Aand Evil mage spells like Soul-Steal or something.

How do you make kits or where can you find out?

[This message has been edited by Buddas Hand (edited May 03, 2002).]

Definetely!! People should get more rewards for playing Evil, as it's a lot harder to play it well.

Edit: Budda, goto www.teambg.com (http://www.teambg.com) (a must know for all SP'ers) you will get everything there. Or just ask me nicely and i could get some Evil aligned kits for you. Look abovce in the post. My blackguard.

[This message has been edited by yappie! (edited May 03, 2002).]

IIRC, you get a fairly powerful evil-only twohanded sword later on in the game...

I am of course aware that Drow is a race and not a kit...as is gith, by the bye...but it would be nice to see some race-specific kits with funky innates (gith anti-paladins, for example..)

I had a really good Idea for a Kit, but I tried but couldn't make new Kits, they where beyond me unfortunatly. If somebody was willing to help, I have it worked out. Make it available only to lawfull evil characters. (You need to be able to follow the code and disiplin of a ninja, but what you do is evil)

Ninja Assasin (Theif Kit)
Advantages
- Backstabs like an assasin
- +1 to Dex
- Can become master in allowed weapons.
- +15% to Hide in Shadows and Move Silently

Disadvantages
- Must be Human (So we have no 20 dex characters running around)
- Can only use Simitars/Wazishiti/Ninja-To, as well as Daggers and Crossbows.
- Can't Pickpocket, set snares, detect illusion.
- Must wear only leather.
- Crappy Lore (if possible)
- Must be Lawfull Evil

If possible, giving it a Shadow Theif Avatar would be really cool, otherwise stick with either theif or monk Avatar.

If anyone is intrested, I have ideas for A Samouri, A Wu-Tai Boxer (Monk Kit), a Demon Knight, a Pirate (Bard Kit) and a Brawler (Monk like fighter)

I could help with these if you want.
Do you know how to install kits?

I will e-mail them when i've started work on them.

I was under the impression that you just unzip them into the override directory, but that could be very wrong.

In the "good ol' days" of first edition AD&D, assassins had to be evil. Now I'm getting all misty-eyed and sentimental...

It does say for Baldurs Gate 2, that assassins HAVE to be evil. But my game still lets me be a Neutral Good assassin?

Where does it say that? My manual lists lawful good as the only prohibited alignment.

I cannot find my manual, but it's riddled with Errors. I wouldnt know though.

Thieves are prohibited only from Lawful Good alignment and that goes for assassins too. It is stated in the manual clearly. And I'm not sure why you insist on evil assassins. Assassin can use his abilities for either neutral or good causes IMO.

If you ask me Kensai/Mage is the class that doesn't deserve any chance to be of any other alignment but evil.
There is also a certain gith anti-paladin in BG2 (who must be evil) but this class is not available for a player.

[This message has been edited by Extremist (edited May 12, 2002).]

Extremist what have you got against kensai/mages?? they have to be one of the best characters availble!!! Or do you think that they are to powerfull?? That I understand.

What he "has against them" (Kensai/Mages) is that they have potential to be sooooo overpowered that they ruin the game. I agree wholeheartedly with him. The same can go for Kensai/Thieves...for a good gaming experience, stay away from them.

For a good gaming experience, stay away from them

How do you know what someone else considers a good gaming experience? Some people like their characters powerfull, some roleplay. Don't make your opinion of a class sound like the rule of having fun with the game, please.

Extremist, why could it be no other than evil? Sure, Kensai/Mages are powerhungry, but is every powerhungry character necessarily evil? No. There are those who seek power to help the helpless (in a roleplayers point of view of course)
For example, Boromir wanted the ring to become more powerfull and defeat Sauron. That doesn't make him evil, for he wanted it to liberate his people. Of course he strayed of the path of righteosness a little, :) but overall he was Good.

I can't agree.

IMHO Boromir is typical Chaotic Neutral.

ah, you mean a loony :p

In the LoTR vein, the most powerful evil ones could appear to be good. So I would say any evil character that is magic powerful should have a spell to appear good. You could cast this spell, enter town, and everybody would love you! (Friends spell?)

Also, lying. There ought to be a way to lie, so that you could say one thing, while doing the opposite. Sorta like our politicians.