I´m wondering whoch race and class you think fits best to thestory about the children of Bhaal and all that (BG2).
I´m playing a dwarf right now, but it acctually doesn´t fit in if you ask me. What´s your oppinion?

Half-Orc Illusionist :PPPP

Human warrior or mage seems to fit best, I think.

Sorcerer, any pure race. Magic flowing through your veins would make sense if you are a child of a minor deity.

Second place is a priest of Talos.

Third is a fighter of some flavor.

Bhaal consorted rather....broadly, let's say. In ToB you find out he did lots of things with lots of races. So the door is open to almost anything.

Any race except human I'd say. :p

Considering that your brother and sister are human, I'd say to be human is the choice. You might disagree of course.

All the races except halfling.it wouldn't be a very scary god of murder if he was a gnome or dwarf.

Ayecaptain, if by brother and sister you are referring to Imoen and Sarevok(which I'm sure you are), you should know Bhaalspawn come in more races than just human(waaay more).

I think any race except dwarves and half-orc, just because I can't see them being raised in Candlekeep by a wise mage. Maybe gnomes, too...not sure.

Hmm, Gnomes would fit in, they do get 19 int you know...

I'd say a human or elf assasin. I mean you are a child of the god of murder right?

You are the child of the lord of murder, but does that mean that if you are a child of a doctor you should be a doctor? Even in Greek mythology Hades, Poseidon, Hestia, Hera and Demeter were children of Chronus, and they had wildly different occupations.

I think that any "half-race" (half-orc or half-elf) suits the best because Bhaal isnt human, dwarf, gnome, elf or halfling. so they should have made the races: half-dwarf, half-gnome or half-halfling. and the sorcerer is the best fitting class due to the desciption of "the blood of gods running in their veins". Just my two Zhent's worth. :D

Any race, but a Wild Mage seems like the best class...ToB though.

I'd have to disagree on the half-race part. the half races are half human, half another race. As Bhaal is a God, He can assume the form (and basic genetic material) of any race He chooses. If the half-races are only produced by the coupling of two pure races (as opposed to them being a species in their own right, with two half elf/orcs having babies which are half elf/orc) then Bhaal would have to impregnate a human in the form of an elf or orc (or vice versa), which is a bit wierd.
About the deviant mage's point. Gorion would surely recognise you for your Bhaal blood and give you guidance regardless of species. It may be difficult for your mother to have known him if she was dwarf or half-orc, but there are dwarves in Candlekeep (Reevor, fearless campaigner against rats). A half-orc would have had a very hard time in BG1 - as the descripiton says they are heaily discriminated against on the Sword Coast.
You:"hello, I'm level 1"
Peasant:"Argh! An orc!"
Flaming Fist: "Die Orc scum!"

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I would say human, or something with similar aging process, as it's said that you and imoen knew each other from children. I think there is a difference if we take a 100 year old elf and 1 year old Imoen, somewhere it doesn't fit

Ironbeard, I have a little bit more to my view, but this is the SoA boards and not the ToB boards.

*SPOILER about my SPOILER*
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It's about the full story of how you came to live at Candlekeep. If you know what I'm talking about, good. If you don't because you don't have ToB, well, that's why I'm not going to spoil it here. If you don't know because you aren't following my line of thought(my thoughts are often...unique ;)), either e-mail me or say something in the ToB forum.

Or whatever. :D

I'd Have to Say Human Because of Imoen and Seravok. The Best Class would Be Sorcerer Because Blood of The Gods Flows Through their veins. I would also have to say Some sort of Fighter. Maybe a Paladin If we are talking about fighters because The Charachter was raised by Gorian who aftre all was a good guy.

A proper race.... Hmmmm....

In my oppinion, only human, elf and half-elf is appropiate. I can't imagine the others being the spawn of a god.

About classes, well I think that a fitting class is a warrior type of class, but almost every other class seems fit, EXCEPT druid and cleric. You are a child of a god, and so whatever deity you would be worshipping would inform you about this fact. Story wice, I don't think that kensai, monk and barbarian really fit in.

I do think that the classes should be (do I dare say this?) restricted to better suit the story, kind of like in PS:T.

"In my oppinion, only human, elf and half-elf is appropiate. I can't imagine the others being the spawn of a god."

Now I am afraid the Alliance of the Undersized has to object to that. Are you denying the divine nature of Moradin, Garl et al. Are you assuming that the generic pantheon is human/elf only, as opposed to transcending mortal races? All Undersized comrades are deeply incensed that you deny their divine potential and the validity of their religious beliefs.

Deviant mage, thanks for not spoiling, I'll buy TOB, then e-mail you when I still don't get it ;)

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I dunno Ironbeard, maybe the dwarven gods are elven gods with thyroid conditions... just sayin' :D

What do I know anyway, I am one of those pansy human paladins anyway, heh.

For a class i would have to say fighter. I don't think it would be a mage or a cleric since in bg1 in candlekeep there are all those people there who have minor chores for you to do and it seems from the conversations and the journal notes that you do these chores daily. If that's so then they wouldn't have much time to study mage spells or get in touch with their god or whatever. I also don't think that gorion would let the child practice magic as i imagine him to be overprotective.

I imagine that the main character led a sheltered life in candlekeep so i doubt they would be a druid, ranger, or paladin since they never left candlekeep before bg1 so they can't get in touch with nature, some paladin order, or whatever. Same thing with the monk.

I doubt he's a thief as gorion watched over him and would probably keep him from stealing and other bad habits since gorion probably watched over him closely since you're a child of bhaal.

He could possibly be a bard but i doubt he would be a sorcerer since gorion would notice if he had magic flowing through his veins and probably ask for assistance or something.

For a race i would have to say human but i cant explain for fear of giving away ToB spoilers.

As for gender i would have to say male since the conversations seem to be made for a male character and males played a more dominant role back then.

Men don't actually play a more dominant role in the Forgotten Realms. It's not a very medieval world, it's fantasy adventure, and with a few subculture exceptions, males and females are about on equal footing. The BG games have quite carefully retained this. I agree with you that the dialogue was mostly written with a male character in mind, but there's no story reason the main character couldn't be female.

I don't think the class of the character needs to be so constrained, either. When you begin BGI, if I recall correctly, you get a little backstory explaining how your interest in being a 1st level whatever was sparked (reading books made you want to be a mage, hanging out in the forest around the keep made you want to be a ranger, sneaking around with Imoen made you want to be a thief, etc.), and since you really did start that game at 1st level, there's no reason to assume Gorion had to teach you any of it. The only classes that seem a little odd for the story are the culturally bound ones like barbarian or kensai. Kind of weird that your character would turn into those without a mentor from an appropriate culture.

The only race that makes me real uncertain is half-orcs. If the main character had been a half-orc I think the first game would have had to have gone a lot differently since orcs were public enemy #1 out there. You would have gotten more flak than Viconia ever did, and it just didn't happen that way.

Deviant and Tyresian. If you're saying what I think you're saying about the PC's mother's relationship with Gorion, you don't need to worry about wspoiling TOB. I've just finished replaying BG1 and Gorion's note in BG1 says that Gorion was PC's "friend and occasionaly lover". So I guess human, elf or half-elf it is (Ulruant is supposed to have a thing for elven ladies, why can't Gorion)

Iirc dragons can take human form, just like firekraag did in BG-2 ... that would explain the ... ahem ... technical part ;) and for the biological part ... never underestimate the magic of the moment :D

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Well... how could bhaal mate with a rabbit then? Or a goblin? Or a xvart?

I think a half-orc jester would be most fitting. :)

Who knows ... maybe the killer-rabit from the holy grail is such a creature. I think it will depend on if Bhaal's able to choose the form of a rabbit since it is unlikely that there are rabbits able to shift to human form ... unless Bhaal meets a pretty romantic shapeshifter druid girl ... who knows

I can imagine it: "... the little white rabbit stops chewing his carrot and shifts to slayer form ... "

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You would think Bhaalspawn would have their own physical differences, like Haer-Dalis. He did not get off so easy with a Fiend in his bloodline.

Yeah, I rather wish Tiefling were an option...but I think the character creation(to be done properly) would be way more complex than other races. (Hmmm, choices, choices...claws are tempting...but then again I really fancy a prehensile tail like Annah...ooooohhh, wings).

I think that the perfect race/class would have been Tiefling Sorcerer. They have that whole extraplanar powers thing going on.

Ok i have always been thinking about bhaal as a human. Stop me if im wrong but doesnt that destroy the whole idea about being any pure race except human? So human is my guess
Tasohan

NO NO NO!
There is no answer to this! It doesn't mateer, they all work.
I would say human sorc though!

I just thought of something. Doesn´t it say something in the story that the Lord of Murder "made" children of different races? Or do I remember completely wrong? In that case, You could not be a Humna - since Sarevok AND Imoen are humans... Plus, that Imoen could not either be a human. Just something I remembered...

Zaragoth, the text doesn't say, that there is only one children from every race. So there can be a lot of human (or elf, etc) children.

well.. Somewhere it says that, in the Time Of Troubles even Bhaal should take a normal shape (Human i think) But it also says that before he left he ****ed every race on the whole realm.. even rabbits .. as u can see in ToB, so every race would do it .. The classs is ur own choice .. cause u got trained by the monks in candlekeep.. but my favorit IS Fighter/Mage, A Gorion/Sarevok like ..

Sorcerer is just like gods themselves, does it say so? Best choice i recommend human sorc.

As i said before if i remember correct: Baal was a human. And if you cross a... Lets say an elf with a human the child would be halfelf so how the f*** should you be able to be anything else plain than a human?

Well the way I figure it Bhaal could take whatever form he wanted to when mating for the purpose of offspring. So if he chose to be a half orc and mated with another half orc the offspring would be a half orc. The other way to think about it is that he didn't supply any genetic material at all, Just some of his essense. So a human woman would bear a human child. Elf an elf child Half elf a half elf child etc.

Human elf or half-elf i think,although i give humans an advantage couse they are more numerous and easy to manipulate.

as class i say a class thats makes you spill lots of blood like a fighter or assasin, youre a child god of murder and blood is what he likes. As a child of Bhaal u are made for pure killing (this is youre instinct talking)as this is what youre destenie is ... beeing god of murder ... so u cant be a woussy wizard or cleric and may not be falling over issues like this is good what u are doing or not like palladins rangers or druids would do.

And cause i want to keep friendly with female BG players i won't say wether females should be less likely then males as main CHAR. ;) (females rules u know!)

Hey, remember the blood only starts acting up halfway through BG1, so you would have been free in your development. Also Gorion, Khalid, Jahiera and the big E all stress the importance of making your own choices, so it's not breaking the plot to go a non-Bhaallike class.

I think a GNOMISH lord of murder would be in its Place! Look how everyone forgets that GNOMES can be really nasty! Your kneecaps are at me mercy!!

Stop mentioning that Bhaal is a lord of murder and that you have to be a *magical* or an *assasin*. Like Gavid, some bhaalspwawn didn't even know he was a bhaalspawn until he was killed. I'd say Sorcerer Human, Elf _Elf.

Human, of course...a human sorcerer. Or any class excluded the druid, it doesn't fit into being the child of the lord of murder at all!

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would 2 halflings make a human?

No, but 2 gnomes would make a Dwarf!

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On another point. If you went a sorcerer because of your "divine power" wouldn't that get taken away when Irenicus steals your soul.

Perhaps irenicus only selectively stole the essence of your Bhaal soul, and left your puny spell casting abilities intact :P

As i said: A Gnomish lord of murder would be in its place!

A gnomish Lord of Murder?!! This god is supposed to look tall, overwelming, powerfull, an all destroyer, not a loser wimp whose not taller then the table u dinner at! this won't make a big impression!

can you make a half-orc illusionist?

I think the requirements for Illusionists are humans or gnomes and at least a 16 dexterity with the opposing school being necromancy. Look at the NPC Jan for an example. What that boils down to is that Illusionists can't learn and memorize necromany spells. It's all about the playing style.

As for what race fits best, well seeing as how Bhaal gets around *cough* any of them. Whatever strikes you as best.

You could have a gnomish lord of murder if you had to gnome bhaalspawn one standing on top of the other. Or maybe just one gnome bhallspawn on stilts.

-Anyone- Can be the lord of murder. They need only to depose the last lord of murder (eg cyric who killed bhaal then ascended to the post) also, whomever said it was right. Your character was raised secluded in Candlekeep up until the point where Gorion was killed, so they could be -any- race and -any- class by virtue of the free learning allowed in the institution and the secluded nature not allowing for racism. Also I think the sorcerer blood would come from the mother on account of the bhaalblood not even stirring till halfway through the first game. I for one think Mage most likely based upon your reverence for your magi "father" and as I said earlier race is up for grabs.

Or maybe all deities look tall and impressive, never minding the race!
Like a mad, bloodthirsty gnome!