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Mon, 2nd Oct '00, 9:13am
Two down! Does anyone know if there are other dragons? I've dispatched the Shadow and Red and have a taste for it. ALSO ALSO ALSO: I read a post that says the Shadow Dragon yields no treasure... not so... look closely.
[This message has been edited by nicksull (edited October 02, 2000).]
Mon, 2nd Oct '00, 12:39pm
There should be 2 more dragons. What did you get from the Shadow?
Mon, 2nd Oct '00, 5:14pm
The big thing you get is some scales... they're black so hard to see on the corpse... take them to Cromwell and enjoy... especially if you are an archer and can't wear metal armor. I think there were some gems too.
Mon, 2nd Oct '00, 6:15pm
Cormwell is that Dwarf in the Government or Dock District right? I've heard about him in the Promenade District but have yet to go speak with him. Currently digging my way through the Planar Sphere.
Mon, 2nd Oct '00, 6:37pm
Hes at the Dock District. Bottom right on the map.
Tue, 3rd Oct '00, 1:31am
I have 2 of the 3 holy symbol of Aumantor. Where is the third?
Tue, 3rd Oct '00, 3:23am
Any strategies for defeating the red dragon? I've already completed that quest, but I didn't fight him and I really want the exp.
Tue, 3rd Oct '00, 5:09am
The locations to the parts of the Symbol are as follows:
1st Part [Sun Ray Symbol]
This is gained after answering all three tests from the head of the statue.
2nd Part [Dawn's Light Symbol]
This is gained after you return Amuana's bones to the two ghosts.
3rd Part [Lightstone Symbol]
This is gained in the small room past the lettered room. It is found in the same room the Shadow was that asked to be taken across the lettered tiled room.
Tue, 3rd Oct '00, 12:46pm
Killing the Red is fairly easy, if you obtain the dragonslaying equipment, from another quest inside the same dungeon. My main char soloed the Red, since, with a fire resistance of 127, the dragon's breath never did a thing...
Wed, 4th Oct '00, 10:26am
Dragon slaying is the best battle in this game. I LOVE it. there's nothing like preparing your spells before a hunt. I used my whole party the first time I beat him, then tried it with my main character (Dual fighter/mage from BG1) and turned out to be a little simpler. The right combo of items and prepared spells (Contingency can make or break a battle) can make it very easy.
See the BGII solution on this site in the near future for a section on spellcasting tactics. (You'll also be able to post there any tactics your particularly fond of)
Wed, 4th Oct '00, 1:38pm
Well, well, well, look who it is. ;) The official Spell Casting Tactition for the ultimate Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn Online Solution here at www.sorcerers.net. (http://www.sorcerers.net.) LOL. What a hyped plug!
I have yet to kill a Dragon or anything of worth, although my party has kicked some ass on a few of the children in Umar Hills!
Wed, 4th Oct '00, 4:15pm
I don't mean to sound like a nit picker because I really love this game!! But shouldn't a dragon be damn near impossible to beat with ONE character? Why would they make it so easy, what kind of challenge is that? Am I the only person who wonders about that? It's just that every RPG I've ever played with a dragon were something to be incredibly feared (at least with the DM's I'm used to) :)
I'm still going to enjoy kicking some dragon butt but I do still feel that it's a little cheap. Oh well...
Wed, 4th Oct '00, 4:25pm
Yeah, I agree with you on that one. As a DM, these Dragons are a joke in the game and should be so deadly that you'd have to pretty much cheat to kill them. Yes, you'd probably see a lot of people crying a river that they're too tough and they can't kill them to get their items, but really, a Dragon should be just that.
Wed, 4th Oct '00, 4:49pm
I've been trying to kill the red one over and over again, and keep getting my ass kicked. I've this far only found three pieces of the dragonslayer eq (the helm, shield and sword) - I suppose there are more to be found. Please someone tell me where to find the rest.
Wed, 4th Oct '00, 10:25pm
Syl: The dragons aren't THAT easy to kill without the proper eq. As a DM, i dont think you would give a full dragonslayer armor (which makes the PC impevious to fire damage, hence red dragon breath) AND a girdle that gives +5 to save vs breath (bringing my cavalier's save vs breath to an unbelievable score of -6!!!)
By the way, the dragons are FIVE, not four. Yes, there is a Green one, too :)
Thu, 5th Oct '00, 12:13am
There's a Dragon Slaying Halberd in the Beholder's cave complex (Cult Quest)
Where do you find the dragon slaying helmet?
Thu, 5th Oct '00, 5:56am
Well the Red Dragon was damn hard to slaughter, unlike the black that I killed in a few tick of the clock. Still watching its cadaver lay on the floor. thinking to myself, is that it? argh!!! hehe, Alas the Red slaughtered my poor Jen on a permanent basis. and since I beleive to go on the game, I won't have the dilema of who to chose betwen him and Iomen hehe
Thu, 5th Oct '00, 10:08am
I believe in re-loading the game because I can't stand the thought of friends dying, hee hee!
Thu, 5th Oct '00, 10:57am
My leading char is a level 10 cavalier, and there's no way I could finish Firkraag solo.
Any help on tactics? Does anyone know the AC of the red one, I don't seem to be getting hits in. (with thac0 1 that seems incredible.)
The dragonslaying helmet can be found in the well, just a bit before entrance to the red one's cavern. As you lift the helm up an air elemental will attack you. (PoC)
[This message has been edited by Sir Elwood (edited October 05, 2000).]
Thu, 5th Oct '00, 1:30pm
Dragon solo? Ack! The strongest creatures my Barbarian can take on solo, or at least the strongest I've come across are Fire Elementals and any type of Golem. That Flail of Ages +3 is too sweet!
Fri, 6th Oct '00, 3:46am
Stop complaining about how the dragons are a joke. I fought them with my sorcerer and got spanked. 3 times before I won against the red. If you fight them without the dragon armor they are a lot harder
Thu, 25th Jan '01, 3:05pm
Dragons are a joke. I can solo all of them with my sorcerer without breaking a sweat. Dragons should be near impossible so it gives me something to do for a couple days. ;)
Thu, 25th Jan '01, 6:07pm
You´re definitely too tough for whiny little dragons. Enjoy yourself with increasing the difficulty level. As long as you´re not using finger of death all the time a dragon´s double damage should keep you busy :D
Thu, 25th Jan '01, 7:08pm
Where's the green Dragon?
Thu, 25th Jan '01, 7:15pm
I believe that's the one in Hell...
Thu, 25th Jan '01, 7:20pm
I didn´t realise it was green. It was just dark colored, so I noticed it to be black - maybe I have t adjust my graphics.
Thu, 25th Jan '01, 7:26pm
Yeah, it was pretty dark for me too, but I've heard others say it's green so... <shrug>
Thu, 25th Jan '01, 9:46pm
The black one in Suddelnassar IS really tough. I had no problem with the Shadow Dragon, the red one was more difficult and now, this damn Black dragon...
Thu, 25th Jan '01, 10:07pm
I found all dragon-fights to be tough.
My first fight against the shadow dragon in the forgotten temple - that was really heavy. It took me about 40 minutes and it was really challanging, hairy and exciting.
Only Minsc died (resurrectable), three of my party members were level drained (including my main char who was down to lvl-3). Thanxy...however was killed by Jaheira with her sling +2 or +3 using sunstones.
The fight against Firekraag was difficult, just like Adalon and all the other dragons.
My shortest and least satisfying fight was when I used finger of death on the black dragon in Sulandessalar. It took me some 3 seconds.
Thu, 25th Jan '01, 10:14pm
I found the Black Dragon to be pretty easy. All I did was have Imoen cast Finger of Death and he went down in a second. But if you don't want to kill him that way then just watch out for that entanglement like spell that he likes to cast.
Thu, 25th Jan '01, 11:11pm
Black dragons are not inherently very good fighters, nor do they prefer straight on confrontations. It should sneak up on you, hide, make hit and run attacks, and attack with superior numbers. Damn AI. :P
Thu, 25th Jan '01, 11:18pm
Syl: Standard adult (not mature, old, very old, ancient, wyrm, great wyrm) dragons should be easy enough for a 10+ level party to face. I've solo-killed dragons with a Sorcerer, Cavalier, and Monk, and my only complaint with fighting them (the thing that normally makes them damned near invincible) is that most of them are indoors and cannot fly around. The black is even outside, why does it not make fly-by attacks? Damn AI.
Thu, 25th Jan '01, 11:34pm
If I saw a dragon fly in a game made with the Infinity Engine, I'd start searching for the portal back to my home dimension. :D
It'd probably take them half a year just to get the animations and code for flying dragons implemented, not to mention it'd probably take a 2ghz CPU to display, hehe.
Thu, 25th Jan '01, 11:38pm
Heh, heh... All they'd need for the Black Dragon is a few of those acid-trap animations falling out of the sky onto your party! :)
Thu, 25th Jan '01, 11:58pm
The good thing about dragons is that they are honorable opponent's you can fight without relying on NOT getting killed by something. For examle finger of death, a backstab when you enter a room and so on.
If you get backstabbed...it's tough. If that attack misses you can bash 'em to bits.
Never underestimate an enemy though. A large group of kobolds (yes!) or hobgoblins can be devastatinh with their missile fire.
The bad thing about BG is just that you can cheat like hell. For exaple my characther.
Guess what his armour class against missiles is? -17! I never designed him with that in mind. Just a few skill points and a fortress shield +3. Or beholders...they are SO HARD that your only chance is to use something
lame to defeat them. A pity. When I took on Firkraag I was WAY too low level. So my only chance was to use traps. Damn.
Fri, 26th Jan '01, 2:47am
Slaying beholders is a joke with the shield of Balduran. I mean, just drive the guy with it near them and watch the beholders kill themselves in oh so many imaginative ways. Turning themselves to stone and subsequently blowing themselves up is a personal favorite. I found myself attacking with all party members first and only then with the guy holding the shield just to get a taste of what they've got.
Really, SoB makes it all too easy. Heh. SoB. Get it? :D
Fri, 26th Jan '01, 6:10am
Groan, Tal, that was bad :D Anyway, I thought the black dragon was nasty. That entanglement and that horrible spell it cast against you that just takes Hp after Hp, while it cause syou to miscast magic. The first time I fought it, it wiped me out really quickly. It wasn't even funny, but then I wasn't really trying. The second time I decided I'd take it down using just magic(why not-my party is so mage and cleric/druid spell heavy). I opened a can on him. And no I didn't use any instant death spells. Just good old damage spell after damage spell. Had his resistances lowered and miscast magic on him as well as insect palgue. After that it was just rain death down on him. Heh Heh, great fun, right Boo?
Sat, 27th Jan '01, 1:58am
To kill fiirkrag I summoned 2 Fire elementals, 2 Aerial servants and had Anomen Gate a couple of pit fiends. The Elementals Kept Fiirkrag busy from the front whilst the pit fiends ate into his health from the back.
Whilst this was going on I'd cast lower magic resistance on him and pounded him with magic missiles, acid arrows and chain lightning-
(This also hit the fiends :().
By now he was "injured" and my party was in a sorry state (2 grey dead). But this is the clincher, the pit fiends attracted firkraags attention when the Elementals perished and he kicked hell into them. Before the last one croaked he inflicted Demon Fear on the
dragon. At this point he was "near death" and Brauhex (my paladin from BG1 and old friend) went in to reclaim the Carsomyr and the 64, 000 experience points with his trusty (non-adamamite and remains whole in
light) drow sword. I did come back and do this at a later date of course... but it was a pretty good fight as fights go.
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Sat, 27th Jan '01, 6:27am
Gee, the hardest dragon, had to have been Adalon...
She kicked my ass so much that filthy white inbred (little Blink 182 quote)
Anyway, The black dragon was insanely easy, I reloaded once due to someone going splat(dying beyond resurrection, I forget who, probably Haer'Dalis)...but I still killed it. So after reloading it, Minsc walked up with the Vorpal sword and got in a solid hit after I breached the bloody thing and got rid of his stoneskin and then boom! Dead Dragon.
Firkraag was even easier ...it was weird, he used red dragon breath, which I feared so much from hearing my friend talk about it 'splat'ing three people at a time. The thing is, he casted it on Aerie and did like..30 damage to her and 10 damage to Jaheira and Korgan standing nearby...
Then died shortly after...
Hmm, now to talk about Adalon being the hardest one...for some reason..she was hard, oh yeah...her icy breath thing...man, that was a pain, she kicked my ass with that. Cause it'd splat my people, instantly! Turn them into ice! She was a *****...I managed to kill her, but noticed that if I did, that it would be the mean way out. I saved her eggs, and vowed to come back and kill her later...naturally, she wasn't there...bah.
Hmm, the other dragons in the game were rather killable as well...And I agree, they were too easy..I thought I was gonna have to reload like hundreds of times and have all my people die as my kensai drove his Katana into the Dragon's heart with his last ounce of strength!...but nah...wasn't..
Tue, 30th Jan '01, 1:19am
I haven't fought Firkagg yet, but the Black Dragon with the unspellable name was very easy to kill, in my opinion. Must have been a very young Dragon, ya? Just a few Lower Resistances, Greater Malisons, and a single Chromatic Orb. (Tremble before the might of the lvl 1 instant-death spell.) I have a suggestion for BGIII- lets have a great wyrm or something. Now thats a challenge.
Tue, 30th Jan '01, 7:20pm
I dont think that the scales are the most important SHADOW dragon i think its that little scroll you get, kinda nice to have in your inventory later on
Tue, 30th Jan '01, 11:45pm
Crom is nice but I guess a wee bit overhyped, just like C´Fury. You can get along quite well without it.
Firedragon-scale can be worn with cloak/ ring of protection +2 giving you an extraordinary AC then. Shadowdragon-scale is the best leather armor in the game.
And the other reason why it pays off to kill Firekraag is the holy avenger. And of course, there´s a lot of fun and XP too...