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Gamers Get Girls?

Discussion in 'Alley of Dangerous Angles' started by Taluntain, May 4, 2012.

  1. Taluntain

    Taluntain Resident Alpha and Omega Staff Member ★ SPS Account Holder Resourceful Adored Veteran Pillars of Eternity SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) New Server Contributor [2012] (for helping Sorcerer's Place lease a new, more powerful server!) Torment: Tides of Numenera SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) BoM XenForo Migration Contributor [2015] (for helping support the migration to new forum software!)

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    Ah yes, it's probably like that. Which means that if most or all that you have was earned after you started living with your girlfriend, it's more or less the same as being married in the case of a split.
     
  2. Gaear

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    Do you have some kind of a license saying you've got a girlfriend, or do they just go by residence records? If so, what if you are just living with somebody? And are there contracts involved, or how do they enforce these payouts?
     
  3. joacqin

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    Well, if you want you can get the lawyers involved but generally "they" hope that people can get along. You can probably dispute what kind of relationship you have had and I know people have done so but then it is time for the court.
     
  4. Aldeth the Foppish Idiot

    Aldeth the Foppish Idiot Armed with My Mallet O' Thinking Veteran

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    I was thinking the same thing. How do they differentiate between two people living together as a couple, versus two people who share a flat as roommates? I know countless people who had roommates over the years, and the only reason they are living under the same roof is to be able to afford the rent. Their finances are completely separate apart from the rent, and it was my understanding that the one person doesn't owe the other person anything.
     
  5. Taluntain

    Taluntain Resident Alpha and Omega Staff Member ★ SPS Account Holder Resourceful Adored Veteran Pillars of Eternity SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) New Server Contributor [2012] (for helping Sorcerer's Place lease a new, more powerful server!) Torment: Tides of Numenera SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) BoM XenForo Migration Contributor [2015] (for helping support the migration to new forum software!)

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    This all comes up during the course of a legal battle. Naturally a room-mate would have a hard time claiming partnership with any kind of credibility if there was nothing to corroborate that claim. Like, say, sleeping in the same bed and not having 2 separate bedrooms for starters. Continuing with the monetary arrangements (i.e. how the bills are paid), joint property ownership, witness statements from friends/family who would know whether someone was "just" a room-mate for 10 years or in a relationship with someone, etc.

    A room-mate wouldn't get involved in a court case by default anyway. Not unless they tried to pull a scam but given the above I find it very hard to believe that they'd have any success. This all usually comes into play when two people have kids together, which is another pretty obvious giveaway of a relationship. And when custody and child support payments also need to be established.

    Plus, room-mate-only arrangements here are very rare unless we're talking about students or young people, in which case usually more than 2 are living in the same flat/building together.
     
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    Thanks for the info. I guess I didn't imagine it would be roomates fraudulently trying to claim that a roomate was a lover, but lovers fraudulently trying to claim that they were only roomates when it came time to even out the finances and make payouts. That sounds like it could still be dodgy, like if you were living in a two bedroom apartment and didn't have a joint checking account or any shared property and if Susie could produce two witnesses that said Johnny was her lover but Johnny could produce two witnesses that said he wasn't. Johnny could also say sure he paid half the phone bill - because they were roomates. That's why it would seem like contracts were necessary, as it makes that kind of stuff much easier to enforce.

    I hear you about roomate scenarios being rare as well, it's just a bit hard to comprehend because in the states there are probably millions of people in such arrangements. Also, who finances the court battles? I would think (again within my perspective) that more often than not, the people in these arrangements would not be terribly well off and able to afford attorneys.
     
  7. Aldeth the Foppish Idiot

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    Well, yes, obviously if they have children it is safe to say they were in a relationship - at least for a time.

    While they sound less common there than here in the US, it is true here as well that generally you are talking about younger people. For example, I don't know anyone around my age who still lives with a roommate. When I say I know countless examples they all involved people under the age of 30.

    And yes, frequently you see more than 2. Although from my friends who have done that, the reason you see more than 2 is that it is generally cheaper to find a 3 bedroom apartment and split the rent 3 ways than a 2 bedroom apartment and split the rent in half. The other bonus to a 3 bedroom model is that there is generally a larger common area in the downstairs. (Usually all the bedrooms are upstairs.)
     
  8. Taluntain

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    Gaear, well, everyone has to pay their own attorneys... if they can't afford them, that's just their luck. You only need much legal representation if you get involved in a prolonged court battle anyway. Most people don't go there unless it's absolutely necessary. If you split on good terms and you aren't married, the split is a purely personal arrangement.
     
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    Numbers seem irrelevant if you consider you're going for just one target anyway (at which point you don't give a damn how many others are there in the relevant bracket as long as you're sufficiently hooked). On the other hand, practice is more of a ***** than theory, although the average Joe is always doing fine.

    To finish off theory, anyway, the more factors you have in your probability equation, the less the chance that nothing will go awry with any of them. One day, I was bored and actually estimated the probablity range. Basically, an UN data file + the law of total probability to make the frequency estimates work together. The outcome wasn't pretty. Just combine two or more low-incidence factors and your pool dwindles rapidly.

    That's called a general partnership entered without a written contract. Courts have tried it here too. :p I like it, maybe it'll help eradicate premarital sex!
     
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