Exploits and just using CLUA

SlickRCBD · Sat, 17th Oct '09, 7:28pm

When quaffing a potion of perception and a couple potions of master thievery and then trying to steal a bunch of consumable items from a store that has an unlimited supply, do you ever decide to instead just use the CLUA console to give youself a couple thousand of the item once you've satisfied yourself the chance of being caught is almost nill? Or alternately, instead of using the exploit outside Nalia's keep (can't spell her last name and don't feel like looking it up) to have Captain Arant give you all those fire arrows, just CLUAing in a couple thousand?

I don't really see it as any worse cheating in the former if you have already decided to quicksave every time your inventory gets full when stealing and reload if get caught. In the latter case, you're already essentially cheating since it's obviously a bug that was an option to be corrected in the fixpacks that you obviously declined.

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I should clarify things for the poll that I mean only for things you can get unlimited numbers of via stealing or a game exploit, not using the console to get 2000 sunstone bullets or darts of asp's nests. That counts as cheating.

Caradhras · Sat, 17th Oct '09, 8:08pm

Cheating in a single player game is a pretty moot point.

Still, there is a difference between doing things within the game (quaffing a few potions and picking pockets) and using the console. Using potions is not worse than using a spell or a powerful object whereas using the console is just like SKing something into the game.

Does using overpowered items cheating or not? Azuredge to kill off liches, the Shield of Balduran to get rid of all those pesky beholders...

It may be cheesy to waste beholders like this but I'd draw the line between using items, spells and potions which are at your character's disposal and relying on SK or the console. You may end with the same result but this is not the same approach.

That being said when you've been playing this game for ages and know it like the back of your hand "cheating" doesn't mean that much if it helps getting through the tedious bits in the game. I bet some people can't play without infinite stacking, I don't really care about that but I sure would be annoyed if I had to go through Irenicus Dungeon one more time. Does using Dungeon-be-gone qualify as cheating? If it does then I'm with the cheaters.

Scythesong Immortal · Sat, 17th Oct '09, 9:26pm

I use SK/Clua when I'm leaning towards just having fun with the game mechanics. During times when I really wanted to enjoy the game's fantasy setting I sometimes use exploits to do in minutes what would have taken hours (of real time) to do, but I avoid using Clua/SK as this would ruin the experience. This may not make sense logically, but being logical was never the point in the first place.

If I wanted endless gold/arrows, yes I'd rather SK/Clua those in.

SlickRCBD · Sat, 17th Oct '09, 9:32pm

That's something else I wanted to make a separate poll about. Quite often when I've finished a quest and am heading back to collect my rewards, I'll CLUA in 6 oils of speed and pass them out in order to reach my destination quicker. The effect on game time is negligable, but the effect on real time is worth it.

Ragusa · Mon, 19th Oct '09, 2:11pm

A looooong time ago I replayed BG2 for the n+20th time, and I wanted to cut things short, so I used Ctrl+Y a lot. So often in fact, that I caught myself thinking about how nice it would be to Ctrl+Y me to the other platform in the railway station so I wouldn't miss the train

It was then I decided to give me a break and not play BG-2 for a while. Those were the days ...

dmc · Mon, 19th Oct '09, 5:12pm

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So often in fact, that I caught myself thinking about how nice it would be to Ctrl+Y me to the other platform in the railway station so I wouldn't miss the train

Now why would you want to take 1149 hit points of damage? I would think you would want to CTRL-J to the other platform . . . much less messy.

Ragusa · Mon, 19th Oct '09, 7:46pm

It's been a long time since. But probably I just have taken the 1149 hit points of damage so that I can't quite remember anymore.

Proteus_za · Tue, 20th Oct '09, 9:36pm

I used to try to abuse those infinite EXP exploits that abounded. Like, with Rejiek Hidesman, and that statue in the maze beneath spellhold. I felt... good about it, like I had achieved something by getting so much experience for nothing.

But I realized, it was cheating, and lame cheating at that. If you want extra experience, use the console. Who cares? If you try to abuse things in the game, then just save yourself time and use the console.

I dont consider the Mace of Disruption and the Shield of Balduran as abuse (I HATE beholders!), so I use things like that freely.

View Poll Results: DO you ever just use the CLUAConsole to save time with the exploits?
I don't use such exploits or stealing	2	25.00%
I'll use the exploits or the stealing, but using the console feels too much like cheating	4	50.00%
Since I'm already cheating, using the console saves time and lets me get to the fun parts.	2	25.00%
Voters: 8. You may not vote on this poll

Sat, 17th Oct '09, 7:28pm	#1
SlickRCBD Gems: 7/31 Latest gem: Tchazar Join Date: May 2005 Location: in front of a computer Posts: 223 Rep Power: 5	Exploits and just using CLUA When quaffing a potion of perception and a couple potions of master thievery and then trying to steal a bunch of consumable items from a store that has an unlimited supply, do you ever decide to instead just use the CLUA console to give youself a couple thousand of the item once you've satisfied yourself the chance of being caught is almost nill? Or alternately, instead of using the exploit outside Nalia's keep (can't spell her last name and don't feel like looking it up) to have Captain Arant give you all those fire arrows, just CLUAing in a couple thousand? I don't really see it as any worse cheating in the former if you have already decided to quicksave every time your inventory gets full when stealing and reload if get caught. In the latter case, you're already essentially cheating since it's obviously a bug that was an option to be corrected in the fixpacks that you obviously declined. ---------- Added 0 hours, 4 minutes and 19 seconds later... ---------- I should clarify things for the poll that I mean only for things you can get unlimited numbers of via stealing or a game exploit, not using the console to get 2000 sunstone bullets or darts of asp's nests. That counts as cheating.

Sat, 17th Oct '09, 8:08pm	#2
Caradhras I may be bad... but I feel gooood! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lugdunum Age: 31 Posts: 2,379 Blog Entries: 5 Rep Power: 10	Cheating in a single player game is a pretty moot point. Still, there is a difference between doing things within the game (quaffing a few potions and picking pockets) and using the console. Using potions is not worse than using a spell or a powerful object whereas using the console is just like SKing something into the game. Does using overpowered items cheating or not? Azuredge to kill off liches, the Shield of Balduran to get rid of all those pesky beholders... It may be cheesy to waste beholders like this but I'd draw the line between using items, spells and potions which are at your character's disposal and relying on SK or the console. You may end with the same result but this is not the same approach. That being said when you've been playing this game for ages and know it like the back of your hand "cheating" doesn't mean that much if it helps getting through the tedious bits in the game. I bet some people can't play without infinite stacking, I don't really care about that but I sure would be annoyed if I had to go through Irenicus Dungeon one more time. Does using Dungeon-be-gone qualify as cheating? If it does then I'm with the cheaters.
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Mon, 19th Oct '09, 2:11pm	#5
Ragusa Eternal Halfling Paladin Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: ... this world, where reality beats satire ... Posts: 7,671 Rep Power: 27	A looooong time ago I replayed BG2 for the n+20th time, and I wanted to cut things short, so I used Ctrl+Y a lot. So often in fact, that I caught myself thinking about how nice it would be to Ctrl+Y me to the other platform in the railway station so I wouldn't miss the train It was then I decided to give me a break and not play BG-2 for a while. Those were the days ...
	__________________ Speak slowly and carry a big brick!

Mon, 19th Oct '09, 7:46pm	#7
Ragusa Eternal Halfling Paladin Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: ... this world, where reality beats satire ... Posts: 7,671 Rep Power: 27	It's been a long time since. But probably I just have taken the 1149 hit points of damage so that I can't quite remember anymore.
	__________________ Speak slowly and carry a big brick!

Sat, 17th Oct '09, 9:26pm	#3
Scythesong Immortal Gems: 16/31 Latest gem: Shandon Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Philippines, currently in the US Age: 23 Posts: 878 Rep Power: 7	I use SK/Clua when I'm leaning towards just having fun with the game mechanics. During times when I really wanted to enjoy the game's fantasy setting I sometimes use exploits to do in minutes what would have taken hours (of real time) to do, but I avoid using Clua/SK as this would ruin the experience. This may not make sense logically, but being logical was never the point in the first place. If I wanted endless gold/arrows, yes I'd rather SK/Clua those in.

Sat, 17th Oct '09, 9:32pm	#4
SlickRCBD Gems: 7/31 Latest gem: Tchazar Join Date: May 2005 Location: in front of a computer Posts: 223 Rep Power: 5	That's something else I wanted to make a separate poll about. Quite often when I've finished a quest and am heading back to collect my rewards, I'll CLUA in 6 oils of speed and pass them out in order to reach my destination quicker. The effect on game time is negligable, but the effect on real time is worth it.

Tue, 20th Oct '09, 9:36pm	#8
Proteus_za Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: South Africa Posts: 776 Rep Power: 5	I used to try to abuse those infinite EXP exploits that abounded. Like, with Rejiek Hidesman, and that statue in the maze beneath spellhold. I felt... good about it, like I had achieved something by getting so much experience for nothing. But I realized, it was cheating, and lame cheating at that. If you want extra experience, use the console. Who cares? If you try to abuse things in the game, then just save yourself time and use the console. I dont consider the Mace of Disruption and the Shield of Balduran as abuse (I HATE beholders!), so I use things like that freely.