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Old Wed, 16th May '12, 9:09am   #51
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Aldeth - my main car does about 400km on a tank of petrol. It takes about $150 to fill my car. Therefore, roughly $32 per 100km.

Our little car does about 400km on a tank of petrol, but only costs about $80 to fill, so that one would only cost about $20 per 100km. Less, but still enough to make me think twice about driving that far.

Anyway, driving for an hour still sounds like a long way to me, regardless of the petrol cost. That would be a big chunk of my day, so I would only do it for an overnight trip or holiday, to make it worthwhile.
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Egads HB! That is a ton. And I would have expected that your main car would get better gas mileage. It costs me about $60 to fill up my car, but I can go approximately 400 miles on a tank of gas, which is around 650 km. So my car can go considerably farther for considerably less cost. And $150 to only go 400 km is jaw dropping. The tank can't be that small if it costs that much to fill up, and yet you're not going that far for that price. What is it? Like a large pickup or SUV? I thought only Americans drove cars like that.

If I had the rule that I would want to stay over anywhere that was an hour away from my house, I wouldn't be able to go to work, because my commute to and from work are about an hour each. So I spend 2 hours on the road on a typical day. And I agree that does suck. It's 10 hours per week, 40 hours per month. So in the course of a typical month, I spend an entire additional week's worth of time on the road just going to and from work.
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Anyway, driving for an hour still sounds like a long way to me, regardless of the petrol cost. That would be a big chunk of my day, so I would only do it for an overnight trip or holiday, to make it worthwhile.
Same here, I guess. I live in the most southern part of the Randstad (big conurbation in The Netherlands) and usually there are quite some traffic jams a, especially when I need to go north. And there are speed limits. Also, it takes time to get to the highway and from the highway to your destination. A 50 miles drive (80km) takes me about 90 minutes, I guess, if traffic is not too bad. But then, I don't own a car so what do I know. I kinda enjoy my bike and public transportation sofar.
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Egads HB! That is a ton. And I would have expected that your main car would get better gas mileage. It costs me about $60 to fill up my car, but I can go approximately 400 miles on a tank of gas, which is around 650 km. So my car can go considerably farther for considerably less cost. And $150 to only go 400 km is jaw dropping. The tank can't be that small if it costs that much to fill up, and yet you're not going that far for that price. What is it? Like a large pickup or SUV? I thought only Americans drove cars like that.

If I had the rule that I would want to stay over anywhere that was an hour away from my house, I wouldn't be able to go to work, because my commute to and from work are about an hour each. So I spend 2 hours on the road on a typical day. And I agree that does suck. It's 10 hours per week, 40 hours per month. So in the course of a typical month, I spend an entire additional week's worth of time on the road just going to and from work.
That's because American cars are huge great behemoths with massive engines. Generally.
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That's because American cars are huge great behemoths with massive engines. Generally.
And that makes us want to drive more and and get more miles out of a tank of gas? I drive a freakin Honda Accord - there have been millions of them sold world wide. And a lot of Americans drive smaller vehicles too. (Yes, we probably have a higher percentage of pickup and SUV owners than anywhere else, but it's not like every other household owns one.)

Maybe Americans and Canadians have a different view of driving to places because we've been conditioned to do so. Things are a lot more spread out here. Every year, I vacation in North Carolina, and it entails about a 6 hour ride. It's far, but not horrendously far. But a trip of that distance (about 400 miles (650 km), would place many people in other countries outside of their country. Especially if you live in someplace like England or New Zealand, where a trip that distance would place you in the ocean.
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I remember being shocked at the cavalier attitude to distance Americans seemed to have when I was over. An hour's longer drive to get to a slightly different cinema no biggy, two hours to get to a mall with a slightly different variety of shops no problem. Heck my mom lives 40 minutes away and I deem it too far to drive except for big things like Christmas and whatnot.

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Another great example here I just remembered. I dated a girl a while back when I was in university who lived 100 km away. One of us would make the trip each weekend to see the other. Granted it did seem a bit of a distance, but it still didn't feel like it was too far.

We kept that up for about a year and a half until I realized she was a total nutjob
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And that makes us want to drive more and and get more miles out of a tank of gas? I drive a freakin Honda Accord - there have been millions of them sold world wide. And a lot of Americans drive smaller vehicles too. (Yes, we probably have a higher percentage of pickup and SUV owners than anywhere else, but it's not like every other household owns one.)

Maybe Americans and Canadians have a different view of driving to places because we've been conditioned to do so. Things are a lot more spread out here. Every year, I vacation in North Carolina, and it entails about a 6 hour ride. It's far, but not horrendously far. But a trip of that distance (about 400 miles (650 km), would place many people in other countries outside of their country. Especially if you live in someplace like England or New Zealand, where a trip that distance would place you in the ocean.
No, the tanks are bigger hence a bigger capacity, and petrol is cheaper, hence a cheaper full tank. American cars definitely aren't economical, just huge and fuel is cheap.

Petrol prices in the UK are absolutely ridiculous. I pay £1.40 (over $2) per LITRE of fuel. Sometimes more. Most of that is tax.
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No argument about the prices. We pay about $4 per gallon, which is about 3.8 litres, so the price comparison isn't even close.

But I seriously doubt that my Accord has a bigger gas tank just because it's sold in the US. It's a 14 gallon tank (this is my assumption - I can be arsed to look in the owners manual - because I've never had to put more than 13.5 gallons in it, even when my fuel gauge was on E). 14 gallons is about the size of tanks on most mid-sized cars here, and the 30 miles per gallon is also about standard for a medium sized car. (I don't have any idea what the manual states for mpg either - but I do know I can go about 400 miles on a tank of gas, and if that's 14 gallons worth, well... that's about 30 mpg.) It's only the hulking SUVs that have 20+ gallon tanks on them, and they need them because they typically get less than 20 miles to a gallon.
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What happened to the Canada thread? This has become the "What is your Mileage" thread.
Lets get back to talking about moose and beavers and toques and bad Canadian TV shows like, The Littlest Hobo


Hey here is an important piece of Canadian history. Is anyone outside of Canada familiar with the Trudeau Salute? I actually thought he gave it originally to the opposing party but it was actually protesters. Still, you gotta love Pierre Trudeau.
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I remember being shocked at the cavalier attitude to distance Americans seemed to have when I was over. An hour's longer drive to get to a slightly different cinema no biggy, two hours to get to a mall with a slightly different variety of shops no problem. Heck my mom lives 40 minutes away and I deem it too far to drive except for big things like Christmas and whatnot.
That's pretty much what I'm trying to say. Time is way too precious to waste so much of it driving.

And this is still a thread about Canada because we're comparing Canadian distances with those in other parts of the world. Some people are on the same wavelength as Canada on distances and others aren't.
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I drive 1.5 hours each way to see my kids, and really, it's just a little hop compared to how bad it could be.

As for change, I have mixed feelings about the loss of the Canadian penny. We minted our last one last week sometime. So now we'll get gouged to the nearest nickel. Grrr. On the other hand, it's kinda pointless to have a one cent coin that costs 1.5 cents to produce, and I guess the cost of retooling it to use a lesser weight would have also been economically unfeasible.

I'd rather put the time in to roll the coins in my piggy bank than give a percentage to the banks. God knows the dirty dogs take a percentage of everything else.

It's funny that Trudeau's one finger salute was mentioned. He is almost universally detested in Alberta. A notable exception was my mother. Admittedly, she was an immigrant from the USA, and came by way of British Columbia, but still, she was exceptional in this matter. I asked her once about the NEP screwing Alberta. She said "only the fat cats got screwed, and they conned the workaday folks into believing they'd been screwed."

Mom was a big believer in a strong centralized government. I came to understand it later when I studied the Quebec crisis. Trudeau didn't screw around attempting to appease murdering terrorists. He dang well expected people to follow the law, and when they started kidnapping and murdering, he sent in the military -- martial law! Harsh, but effective. I wonder what he'd do now with the puling Quebec students on strike because their tuition (the lowest in the country) is being raised (to a level that is STILL going to be the lowest in the country!) Actually, I don't wonder. He'd be sending in the military to round up the little terrorists (yes, throwing smoke bombs into a subway is terrorism, it's designed to promote fear, fear = terror, and it's all for a political purpose.) In addition, without the smoke bombs, these kids are infringing on the civil liberties of the students who WANT to attend classes but are being barred by human chains. I'm OK with peaceful, non-trespassing protests, but what these little tools are doing is beyond the pale, and I really wish the government would grow some cojones and just arrest all of these little twerps.
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I always think of Canada as the biggest Scandinavian country, but with 2 reasonably understandable languages.
Sometimes I see these episodes of Life or some program on NatGeo, with bears and wolverines and stuff. Looks great! I've seen a Canadian beaver once (not on the Discovery Channel, though), but she lives in Los Angeles.
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I wonder what he'd do now with the puling Quebec students on strike because their tuition (the lowest in the country) is being raised (to a level that is STILL going to be the lowest in the country!) Actually, I don't wonder. He'd be sending in the military to round up the little terrorists (yes, throwing smoke bombs into a subway is terrorism, it's designed to promote fear, fear = terror, and it's all for a political purpose.) In addition, without the smoke bombs, these kids are infringing on the civil liberties of the students who WANT to attend classes but are being barred by human chains. I'm OK with peaceful, non-trespassing protests, but what these little tools are doing is beyond the pale, and I really wish the government would grow some cojones and just arrest all of these little twerps.
Don't get me started on those *******s, I've lost my entire term 'cause of them that's after I paid tuition fee... They have a really stupid "us vs them" mentality; just by wanting this stupid strike to end and return to class, I'm apparently the enemy. Btw, in my uni at least, they are a minority less than 15% of students are with the strikers. So basically they give a bad name to all of us... yayness.

I don't have rich parents, nor have I a scholarship which means I need to get loans to study. Of course the university isn't going to reimburse me for the last term. So the protesters wanting to lower university tuition ended up costing more money to students like me who are on loans. I sure hope the irony isn't lost on them. This latest incident and the fact the provincial government is pilling up scandals after scandals and by being utterly ineffective makes me want to get out. I dunno maybe go to Australia or something, I hear it's nice there.
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Go there in the winter Flix. I imagine a lot of Canadians would appreciate a trip somewhere warm when the -30 starts to hit. Although actually the last few winters have been pretty mild. I didn't even have cold enough weather last winter to make an ice sculpture. The few days I could have used were followed up but a warm streak.

This just reminded me of something. Have any of you other Canadians around here ever run outside in the middle of winter in your bare feet to grab something or close a gate etc. ?
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Duh, it's rite of passage -- I'm not getting my huge boots and coat and everything just to check the mail (it's down stair my apartment building) it's like I always said you haven't experience a true winter unless you've experience it here.

Btw, by "mild winter" do you mean the temperature merely got around -20C, -25C and gotten on average 45cm snow ? If so then yes the last winter was mild.
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the puling Quebec students on strike because their tuition (the lowest in the country) is being raised (to a level that is STILL going to be the lowest in the country!)
Help me out here - how do students "go on strike"? If you don't show up for class, don't you just fail? If they are preventing others from entering class, then their activities are criminal.

And isn't tuition relatively inexpensive everywhere in Canada? I was under the impression that you could come out of a four year education, even if you borrowed the whole thing for about $30K, which is less than the cost of a year in many of the US colleges and universities. Some kids at US schools graduate with a degree, and what amounts to a mortgage.

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Don't get me started on those *******s, I've lost my entire term 'cause of them that's after I paid tuition fee... I don't have rich parents, nor have I a scholarship which means I need to get loans to study. Of course the university isn't going to reimburse me for the last term.
Again - the students don't teach, so why can't classes go on without the 15% who are complaining? I don't even understand how you can go on strike as a student. You aren't required to attend college. If you don't want to pay the extra amount, drop out and go somewhere else.
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I imagine they're just demonstrating ...

The problem I've had with most all demonstrators I've ever seen is that they're really not demonstrating (exercising their right to free speech and peaceful public assembly, etc.), but acting like f*cking animals - intimidating, threatening, terrorizing, and being generally lawless and oftentimes criminally reckless. Any chance they ever had of convincing me of anything goes straight down the toilet when you act like that.

If they're really doing what LKD says in this example, I literally hope with great passion that their tuition goes up and not down and that they fail their classes and lose lots of money and are criminally prosecuted whenever appropriate and that these actions follow them around forever on their permanent record.
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If they're really doing what LKD says in this example, I literally hope with great passion that their tuition goes up and not down and that they fail their classes and lose lots of money and are criminally prosecuted whenever appropriate and that these actions follow them around forever on their permanent record.
They actively block the university access so student like me who'd like to y'know learn stuff cannot access the classes. They also intimidate students, again like me, by either saying stupid stuff like "U R on teh rong side dooodz" or "Dooodz ur acting like capitalisticaly-like man*" or good old real life physical threat.

We can only hope, that they get prosecuted or at least fail their classes we can only hope -- As a side note; this "incident" might sounds silly (it is) and abstract to you all, but it is very real for me, I'm living it. Glorious !

And people wonder why I want to emigrate somewhere else, I 'unno anywhere again Australia sounds nice. I also hear living in Nova Scotia is pretty good, thought technically that wouldn't be emigrating just moving from one province to another. Anyone lived in Nova Scotia ?

*I'm paraphrasing in bad English for the benefit of my non French speaking friends on BOM, but believe me it sounds as retarded in the original
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I read one article that said they were entering classes in session and disrupting them, seeking to verbally and physically intimidate the students who want to attend classes.

That's terrorism, as is blocking access to university buildings. I'm not making this stuff up.
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How about expelling the brats and having the courts ban them from University premises? If they don't want to study, they don't belong at any institute of learning.
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They are currently gleefully defying court orders, and the government doesn't want to crack down on them for fear of being seen as overly harsh. The court of public opinion is in full swing.
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Oh, wow. I've never heard of a protest group being so hated before. Why is that? I am generally in support of protests but I know Canada has some significant differences than the U.S so the situation might be different. Is it just because they're blocking and shouting stuff?
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It's a combination of two things.

1) They were paying the lowest tuition in the country beforehand. And still will be, or very close to, after the proposed increases. The demand itself gets zero sympathy from the rest of Canada, especially anybody from Ontario or British Columbia who have to fork out a good deal more for their tuition.

2) Their bullying tactics.

The only ones sympathetic to their 'righteous cause' is themselves. Literally.
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Here's one of the best things I have learned about Canada:

http://www.joeydevilla.com/2008/08/1...d-liftin-good/

I have no idea how to embed pictures so you'll just have to follow the link. I never knew Canada was famous for its powerlifting training programme, but maybe some of those Eastern European countries should take note.
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