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Old Mon, 12th Nov '01, 10:16pm   #1
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Has anything been said about an addon for NWN?
I think horses and other rideable animals would be good for increased movement.
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Geez, it'll be months before the game is released and you're already talking about an expansion? We don't even know all of the features of the game, let alone what's in Bioware's minds for an expansion...

But you can be pretty sure horses won't be it. Introducing something like horses would turn the whole game upside down, not to mention be pretty near impossible to do. You'd need animations for all characters on horses, combat on horses, traveling on horses, trying to go through doors on horses, etc etc. In short, highly unlikely.

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- Prestige Classes.
- New feats.
- Regional feats.
- Data from Tome and Blood, and the other books.
- New player races

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It's all about 3rd edition now and I heard the devellopers will make the game as much the same as 3rd edition as possible. So I suppose feats and options and rules will be like in 3rd edition D&D.
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Not the horse debate again. :shakes his head: Well, I won't get into it this time, but I have seen a CRPG advertised that did have horses, so I take that for whatever it's worth, and have at least softened my stance on what I think will and won't likely make it into a CRPG because of design woes. I'd like to see them myself (give me a chance to use my horse nomad fighter/cleric in a CRPG), but for now I've heard nothing from it from the Bioware people.
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No one said horses are undoable, it's just that if you wanted horses in the game you'd have to start making a game with that idea in mind and adjust the whole game to include horses. You obviously can't do that after you have the whole game. You might as well want to add cars in, it'd be about the same amount of trouble to make it work.
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Thanks guys I only asked cos starwars galaxies isnt out but have announced a addon just wonderin if nwn was going to do the same.
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Ahhh...ok, I see where you're coming from now. I absolutely agree adding them into the engine after the fact would be a mess. I'm just hoping that bioware will supprise me right before release and tell me horses are in And then they'll tell me they've inculded sabres for me to use on them Heh, maybe I'll put that on my wish list to Santa Clause.
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The reason i want horses is the fact that being able to shoot bows or casts simple spells (magic missile) would be a great eaperience to actually see it in 3D. having lances for fighters would also be a high point especially if you have 3 of them in an arrowhead formation =- how scary would it be to see that advancing towards you?
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And how unbalancing for the game, pray tell?
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yes but there are ways around it if u think about it.

thieves traps on the floor and dodge aside
area affect spells for thenm to run into
etc the player just has to get over their intial fear and use their head.
whaddya think is it doable
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In 5 years, I'm sure. But not today.
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I'll be waiting.
Are you signed up to ALFA?
Cos i've sent 4 apps and i haven't recieved a reply to any of them.
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Yea, I applied and was accepted in the first week of ALFA going online. Quite some time ago.
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OK no need to boast have you got any tips for me I desparately want to join and have been with the site since it started they just don't seem to realsie my potential.

Could I send you my characters history and stats so you could read over it?

Oh yes and before i forget how long before iget to change this goblin lvl 1 picture?

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Sorry, but I have not time to go over other people's character histories... Post in Whatnots, I'm sure someone else can help you do that.

As for changing avatars - go read the Rules/FAQ. It's all there.
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Are you able to change my avatar into a paladin for me? i did look for you in the chat rooms to ask you but i can never find you in there to ask?

ive only been on since thursday and already i am at level 1. i helped get a lifeless adventure going and now it is doing pretty well (The New Adventure).
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I can't find you in the rooms either so i am going to have to revert to begging to you here. Do you think that you would be able to use your mighty powers to allow both Feirhanith and I to change our Avatars, we have been dying to be able to do it. So please could you make it possible.

Oh and thanks for replying to my posts.

[Neither you nor Feirhanith are helping your cause by begging for custom avatars on the boards. It is expressly forbidden in the FAQ, so by doing so, you are making it less likely that Taluntain will consider you. - BTA]

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The only recent game I am aware of with horses is Dark Age of Camelot (DAoC) and that only uses them to transport you 'quickly' from one area to anoher. No fighin from hem and if you dismount in the wilderness, the horse disappears.
As Tal said, programming in horses would be a humungous task, doubling the size of the game. EVERY character would have to have a duplicate set of riding animations with every weapon, joining and seperating horse and rider is a nightmare graphics job, then there is death animations for both.... If that delays the release by another year or two I say no thanks.
Similarly with swimming. The engine is configured as land (passable) and water (impassable), to make water 'semi passable' is a big change.
Khazar, check the NWN boards. Mandos said he has a big backlog which he is cutting into. He also had a crash and lost some apps. If you dont hear either way in a week or two (they DO send 'sorry, you didn't make it' replies now) - reapply.
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"Blackthorne" if Taluntain wanted to say that i believe that he can do it himself rather than you doing it for him! (no offense intended).

[Actually I would say the exact same thing. BTA is an admin here and knows me better than anyone else. He's saving my valuable time by wasting HIS time to tell you that what's written in the Rules/FAQ is sacred.] -Tal

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Sorry Taluntain i didn't mean anything by it, just a bit pissed off at something else at the mo.

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Taluntain if you have managed to control Feirhanith I would like to know if my begging has worked?

[Khazar - If I see this nonsense by you again I will remove your posting privileges. I just finished telling you not to do this and here you are polluting the topic again. - BTA]

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If you guys read the FAQ you'd know why you don't the custome avatars. You have only been on the baords a few days, why should you have custome avatars? If you qualified for any of the reasons in the FAQ you wounldn't need to beg. Let time take it's course. Don't rush into things while others have waited.
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OK.
So we are not likely to be seeing Rideable horses.

How about a change of 'tack' then.

Animals can be scripted to talk, but what about Packhorses. Could players leave Pack animals outside the combat area and return to them to load up the ill gotten/heroically won gains/corpses? If so, It's a short step from a horse-drawn cart full of Ex-Dragon's hoard to a cart with a PC in it.

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Edit: Spelling... oops

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Ok so im sorry there was still no need for BTA to go off his head at me. I just wanted to fit in.
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Linael, I know they will have horses as 'background' as in the cart you spoke about. As said about the big issue is not the scripting but all the additional avatars that would be needed to reflect PCs on horse back. I think it's more of a time issue than anything else.
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