I always alter this....

Gilden · Sat, 2nd Jul '05, 12:11am

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What are the things you most want to alter in Shadows of Ahm ?

For me, I always want to switch the Minsc weapon abilities at the start. It always bugged me that he had the following:
Two handed sword **
Mace **
Longbow **
Two weapon spec **

I always go to Shadowkeeper, delete his two stars in 'two weapon spec', and give him two stars in 'two-handed weapons spec' instead.

The other thing I always want to change is the Mace of Disruption, the improved +2 version. I am happy to leave it at +2 THACO, but I would love it to hit undead creatures that normally can only be hit by +4 or better weapons, specifically our old friend Gaxx.

I'm not sure exactly how to do that, but I've always wanted to, ever since I learned what item I needed to have along with the basic Mace of Disruption to get Master-Smith Cromwell to improve it.

Juaqeen Roukas · Sat, 2nd Jul '05, 12:55am

I to would alter Minsc.

First, I would get rid of the stupid Hamster, besides being childish I believe it's supposed to provide some comic relief at which it fails miserably. It also just takes up a quick item slot.

Second, Minsc and his ignorant babblings are way to annoying to listen to through a whole game. As a matter of fact I would just replace Minsc with Valygar.

CamDawg · Sat, 2nd Jul '05, 1:20am

Minsc's two stars in dual-weilding is from being a ranger. Improved Mace of Disruption strikes as a +5 weapon, so it can indeed hit Kangaxx.

Shrikant · Sat, 2nd Jul '05, 9:41am

I make Minsc capable of dualing to Cleric by raising his Wis, then screw around with his weapon profeciencies.
Or I make him a Beserker with GM in Flails and raise his Wis to 17 again.
THere is a thread I made about that somewhere here.

Mace of Disruption has an enchantment of +4 but THAC0 +1.
Improved Mace of Disruption has an enchntment of +5 and THAC0 +2. I myself have beaten Kangaxx with it.

Gilden · Sat, 2nd Jul '05, 10:53am

Thanks to Shrikant and CamDawg for the information on the Mace of Disruption, I never realised it could hit Kangaxx. I shall certainly use it on him this time around.

Also, I can at least now see why Minsc has the two-weapon spec (not that it will stop me altering it...heh).

angryguy · Sat, 2nd Jul '05, 5:06pm

I often increase the movement speed of all my chars- using ctrl-J on all the replayings of this game can sometimes feel wrong. Create a barbarian, then use SK to copy the movement bonus onto your real party.

Other than that- starting proficiencies often change, partly because I have Ashes of Embers installed, so there are lots of new options available.

nearly forgot... The one thing I ALWAYS change, is jaheira's portrait back to the old version. Much better.

@juaqeen If you find minsc ignorant and childish, you are happily in the minority. Everyone else loves the guy.

Wordplay · Sat, 2nd Jul '05, 5:15pm

Speaking of Minsc, I usually take that one point from maces and re-allocate it to two-handed weapons. Later on, I can spend a few points to some one-handed weapon skill and dual-wield them. Sarevok's two-handed sword can server until then.

Second, I change Viconia's class to sorcerer and change her aligment a little; she does better job that way and I do not need to worry about Aerie's Holy Smite damaging her. There are other reasons too, but they aren't that important.

When it comes to mods; virtue, concurrent romances, and that cloak-fix are what I take almost always.

Kitrax · Sat, 2nd Jul '05, 11:59pm

Minsc must suck worse than I thought if everyone seems to want to edit the idiot. For me, the best way to edit him, would be to edit him out of the game completly.

The only thing a always change is my PC's stats to match the class I've chosen...that way I don't have to waste 30 minutes clicking the "re-roll" button to get a high number of stats.

Felinoid · Sun, 3rd Jul '05, 12:17am

Enough Minsc-bashing already. Besides, he always carries that tasty little rodent with him.

(No wonder he won't let me carry Boo.

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I generally prefer to improve Imoen's strength, while decreasing her charisma. I figure that the experiments Irenicus put her through built up her strength, while disfiguring her as a side-effect, causing her Cha to go down. (Really all I want is to super-charge little Imy while taking the hit in a much less important stat.

) After all, Imoen's one weakness is her weakness.

Chickavalier · Sun, 3rd Jul '05, 2:45am

actually, minsc is quite good with dual-weilding.

Western Paladin · Sun, 3rd Jul '05, 5:27am

Minsc at least is entertaining and enthusiastic. Valygar drags my morale down and complains about me not having a plan. (Even when I have one.)

Wil · Fri, 8th Jul '05, 5:43pm

We all agree that editing NPCs is cheating?
You do what you want, but... you are taking away something from the game. You modify the constraints, making an easier game.
Sure, this dwarf, with ***** in flails will kick ass...
Sure, ** in 2 hands weapons is "handy" for the idiot called Minsc...
But I understand. For Jaheira, for example, it's very tempting as her proficiencies come so slowly. Or Minsc's ** in maces are generally useless. Or ** in long bows for that matter...
Yet I've never done it because it would give me too much the feeling that I'm cheating.

Felinoid · Fri, 8th Jul '05, 6:31pm

One thing you have to consider is that the makers of the game have already edited some of the NPCs. For example, Jaheira had 14 Dex in BG1, but now she has 17 Dex in BG2. I'm not complaining; I just want to point out that they started it. I think it's just fine, so long as you can RP it. (e.g. my Imoen change in the post above, changing proficiencies to what you gave them in BG1, etc.)

angryguy · Fri, 8th Jul '05, 8:44pm

@will- agreed, if you take points from a prof to make another into grandmastery, then I'd feel guilty too. But removing jaheira's points in club and putting them in scimitar does not bother me. It doesn't overpower the character (the club combo for jaheira is reckoned by many to be extremely nasty). Instead, I do it to make the NPC more fun to replay. Play the game enough times and you'll probably feel the same way.

Gilden · Sun, 10th Jul '05, 11:14am

That's the key angryguy. If you play the game enough, you look for something different, and the only constraint I have is that you enjoy playing each time you go through the game.

I would recommend going easy on modifying things first time round, or even the first couple of times. After that, do what the heck you want, as long as you enjoy the result.

Since I started this thread, I have abandoned my original game and re-started with a PC half-elven fighter thief (very powerful combo), an NPC monk (which I have never played before), Viccy, Korgan, Edwin, Imoen.

What I intend to alter this time around is my PC (3* instead of 2* max in dual wielding, the extra * coming off something else) and Imoen. She gets 18 intelligence, and later on, an exp boost to put her on a par with the rest of the party (can't go into details on that without spoilers).

I will take these all through BGII and ToB, though I may well dump the monk for a certain fighter, available only in ToB.

So far I am enjoying playing again, even though I have already played (starting at BG1 to the end of BGII) more than a half dozen times, including solo, and have partially played several more times.

angryguy · Sun, 10th Jul '05, 11:43am

Gilden....you started so well. I agree with your movtivation, but for me, pushing your profs beyond their limits crosses the line into cheating.

Also- why give imoen 18 INT? Please don't tell me you believe that she needs it to cast level 9 spells. Not true, not true at all.

Gilden · Sun, 10th Jul '05, 1:55pm

angryguy, that is exactly what I believed....is that wrong ?

The only reason I did that (with Imoen) was because I intended to go through ToB as well. If I had just been going through SoA I wouldn't have bothered.

Felinoid · Sun, 10th Jul '05, 3:15pm

Well, she should need 18 INT to cast 9th level spells (by 2nd ed. rules). I wouldn't know what the game allows, because I always bump her INT too. After all, I always give her the Tome of Clear Thought in BG1 if I'm going to dual her, so she should have 18 to start with. (It boosts her lore a tiny bit, too.)

angryguy · Sun, 10th Jul '05, 9:51pm

She doesn't need it for L9's, period.

@gilden- I was referring to giving your MC fighter/thief three * in dual wield. Normally the max is 2, and you used SK to exceed that.

Felinoid · Sun, 10th Jul '05, 10:52pm

Actually, I just tried creating an elven F/T, and I was able to put *** into two-weapon style on the character generation screen!

(Fully patched SoA)

The Shaman · Mon, 11th Jul '05, 8:44am

Yeah... I've done a few multiclasses with a fighter - no problem getting *** right from the start.
However, I really can't imagine making Viccy a sorceress. Sheesh, her one devotion (bar a charismatic and understanding male PC

) is Shar. Isn't it a bit cruel to take it away from her?

angryguy · Mon, 11th Jul '05, 6:14pm

@all- sorry, my bad. Is it weapon profs that are limited to 2* for multiclassed chars? I was sure that included weapon styles too.

Chickavalier · Thu, 14th Jul '05, 3:37pm

Except Cleric/Rangers who can put 3 slots

Caradhras · Thu, 14th Jul '05, 5:20pm

Every MC Fighters can put +++ in two weapons style (Rangers start with ++, Paladins can too although they start with no proficiency in two weapons style) the other fighting styles are limited to ++.

omnigodly · Fri, 15th Jul '05, 3:17am

Personally, I'd remove minsc's prof in two handed swords, and switch to soemthing axe, so he'd be a mace/axe fighter, and duel wield, likewise removing a point from bow, and putting it to two weapon style.

Something else I'd most like to change about shadows of amn, Camdog. Camdog always enters shadows of amn in the most abrupt periods of time, and spews is crazyness, (logic), all over the place, and spanks people who don't know what they're talking about, (me). I would make myself immune to that!

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Sat, 2nd Jul '05, 12:11am	#1
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Sat, 2nd Jul '05, 12:55am	#2
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Sat, 2nd Jul '05, 9:41am	#4
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Sat, 2nd Jul '05, 5:06pm	#6
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Sat, 2nd Jul '05, 5:15pm	#7
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Sun, 3rd Jul '05, 12:17am	#9
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Sun, 3rd Jul '05, 2:45am	#10
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Fri, 8th Jul '05, 5:43pm	#12
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Fri, 8th Jul '05, 6:31pm	#13
Felinoid SPS Account Holder Who did the what now? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: the Tzenkethi homeworld Posts: 7,471 Like: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post vBActivity - Stats XP: 15,794 Level: 36 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 12.03% Daily Activity 2.55% Weekly Activity 0.73% Monthly Activity 1.73% Achievements	One thing you have to consider is that the makers of the game have already edited some of the NPCs. For example, Jaheira had 14 Dex in BG1, but now she has 17 Dex in BG2. I'm not complaining; I just want to point out that they started it. I think it's just fine, so long as you can RP it. (e.g. my Imoen change in the post above, changing proficiencies to what you gave them in BG1, etc.)

Fri, 8th Jul '05, 8:44pm	#14
angryguy Gems: 7/31 Latest gem: Tchazar Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 239 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 958 Level: 10 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 73.37% Daily Activity 2.55% Weekly Activity 0.73% Monthly Activity 1.73% Achievements	@will- agreed, if you take points from a prof to make another into grandmastery, then I'd feel guilty too. But removing jaheira's points in club and putting them in scimitar does not bother me. It doesn't overpower the character (the club combo for jaheira is reckoned by many to be extremely nasty). Instead, I do it to make the NPC more fun to replay. Play the game enough times and you'll probably feel the same way.

Sun, 10th Jul '05, 11:14am	#15
Gilden Gems: 5/31 Latest gem: Andar Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bristol, England. Posts: 103 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 644 Level: 9 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 1.1% Daily Activity 2.55% Weekly Activity 0.73% Monthly Activity 1.73% Achievements	That's the key angryguy. If you play the game enough, you look for something different, and the only constraint I have is that you enjoy playing each time you go through the game. I would recommend going easy on modifying things first time round, or even the first couple of times. After that, do what the heck you want, as long as you enjoy the result. Since I started this thread, I have abandoned my original game and re-started with a PC half-elven fighter thief (very powerful combo), an NPC monk (which I have never played before), Viccy, Korgan, Edwin, Imoen. What I intend to alter this time around is my PC (3* instead of 2* max in dual wielding, the extra * coming off something else) and Imoen. She gets 18 intelligence, and later on, an exp boost to put her on a par with the rest of the party (can't go into details on that without spoilers). I will take these all through BGII and ToB, though I may well dump the monk for a certain fighter, available only in ToB. So far I am enjoying playing again, even though I have already played (starting at BG1 to the end of BGII) more than a half dozen times, including solo, and have partially played several more times.

Sun, 10th Jul '05, 11:43am	#16
angryguy Gems: 7/31 Latest gem: Tchazar Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 239 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 958 Level: 10 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 73.37% Daily Activity 2.55% Weekly Activity 0.73% Monthly Activity 1.73% Achievements	Gilden....you started so well. I agree with your movtivation, but for me, pushing your profs beyond their limits crosses the line into cheating. Also- why give imoen 18 INT? Please don't tell me you believe that she needs it to cast level 9 spells. Not true, not true at all.

Sun, 10th Jul '05, 1:55pm	#17
Gilden Gems: 5/31 Latest gem: Andar Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bristol, England. Posts: 103 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 644 Level: 9 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 1.1% Daily Activity 2.55% Weekly Activity 0.73% Monthly Activity 1.73% Achievements	angryguy, that is exactly what I believed....is that wrong ? The only reason I did that (with Imoen) was because I intended to go through ToB as well. If I had just been going through SoA I wouldn't have bothered.

Sun, 10th Jul '05, 3:15pm	#18
Felinoid SPS Account Holder Who did the what now? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: the Tzenkethi homeworld Posts: 7,471 Like: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post vBActivity - Stats XP: 15,794 Level: 36 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 12.03% Daily Activity 2.55% Weekly Activity 0.73% Monthly Activity 1.73% Achievements	Well, she should need 18 INT to cast 9th level spells (by 2nd ed. rules). I wouldn't know what the game allows, because I always bump her INT too. After all, I always give her the Tome of Clear Thought in BG1 if I'm going to dual her, so she should have 18 to start with. (It boosts her lore a tiny bit, too.)

Sun, 10th Jul '05, 9:51pm	#19
angryguy Gems: 7/31 Latest gem: Tchazar Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 239 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 958 Level: 10 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 73.37% Daily Activity 2.55% Weekly Activity 0.73% Monthly Activity 1.73% Achievements	She doesn't need it for L9's, period. @gilden- I was referring to giving your MC fighter/thief three * in dual wield. Normally the max is 2, and you used SK to exceed that.

Sun, 10th Jul '05, 10:52pm	#20
Felinoid SPS Account Holder Who did the what now? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: the Tzenkethi homeworld Posts: 7,471 Like: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post vBActivity - Stats XP: 15,794 Level: 36 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 12.03% Daily Activity 2.55% Weekly Activity 0.73% Monthly Activity 1.73% Achievements	Actually, I just tried creating an elven F/T, and I was able to put *** into two-weapon style on the character generation screen! (Fully patched SoA)

Mon, 11th Jul '05, 8:44am	#21
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Mon, 11th Jul '05, 6:14pm	#22
angryguy Gems: 7/31 Latest gem: Tchazar Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 239 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 958 Level: 10 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 73.37% Daily Activity 2.55% Weekly Activity 0.73% Monthly Activity 1.73% Achievements	@all- sorry, my bad. Is it weapon profs that are limited to 2* for multiclassed chars? I was sure that included weapon styles too.

Thu, 14th Jul '05, 3:37pm	#23
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Fri, 15th Jul '05, 3:17am	#25
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