Turn undead

kingsgambit · Sat, 22nd Dec '01, 2:14pm

Throughout SoA both Keldorn and Viconia have this ability sitting there where a quick spell or weapon might've gone...but during numerous fights with undead I've tried clicking it and nothing happens...how does it work? How and when is it good to use?What does the Turn Undead level mean? Do different undead require you to have different TU levels? Any advice on this skill would be appreciated. Does it work on vampires/liches?

Taluntain · Sat, 22nd Dec '01, 2:30pm

Hmm, many questions...

1. You need to have AI turned off, otherwise when you click it during a fight, it'll only last for one second before your characters go into default attack mode which will prevent turning undead. To turn undead, they must not attack with weapons or do anything else at the time. That's why most people never use it, or if they do, don't get it why it doesn't work (because of the AI/script thing.)

2. It works in a way that it either turns undead (makes them scatter, run away), or destroys them outright. A high level cleric or paladin for instance wouldn't just turn normal skeletons, he'd turn them to dust right away. Evil clerics can sometimes control undead with this ability.

3. It's good to use it (or better, only useful for) figthing undead. Any type, skeletons, vampires, liches etc.

4. Turn undead level means what level of undead you can turn at this point. The higher level the undead are, the harder it is to turn them.

5. Different undead do require different TU levels. (The tougher they are, the higher level you have to be to turn them.)

This about covers it.

[This message has been edited by Taluntain (edited December 22, 2001).]

Namuras · Sat, 22nd Dec '01, 2:34pm

Keldorn, being an inquisitor, can not turn undead.

Anyway, a high level cleric or paladin (other than inquisitor) is the best weapon against undead. The turn undead ability works like this: You click the turn undead button, and wait until the text 'Turning Undead' (or something like that) appear on the bottom of the screen. During this time, you may move, but not attack. Then, if you succeed in your turning, the undead will either flee, explode or be charmed (evil cleric required). The ability only works if you are near undead (or a paladin if your cleric is evil), of course

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Yes, it works on vampires and liches. I could use turn undead to kill a vampire on ~level 15 (maybe earlier) with my cleric. Thus, a paladin would have to be ~level 17 to kill vampires.
I'm not sure what level you need in order to kill/charm a lich, though.

This is a really nice ability when you're facing hordes of undead. Just walk in and watch them explode.

Gaah! Too slow!

[This message has been edited by Namuras (edited December 22, 2001).]

Sat, 22nd Dec '01, 4:08pm

So Viconia can charm undead.. Damn. This makes up for her low Con and Strength that I'm suffering with right now..

kingsgambit · Sat, 22nd Dec '01, 5:55pm

Taluntain, Namuras, thanks for the info. I didn't realise it was such a useful skill. I don't think I used it once...probably because of the AI thing...which would explain why a single mouse click didn't trigger it! I think I'm gonna see what happens if I take Viconia to pay Kangaxx a visit at or around Chapter 6, maybe Bodhi too...ooh the possibilities.

I take it druids don't have the skill? I think that's quite interesting then...Clerics and Druids have magic in common and Clerics and Paladins have other skills in common...a lot of linking in...but that's a different topic.

Spudsquisher · Sat, 22nd Dec '01, 6:00pm

If you want to use turn undead effectively, turn off party AI, with it on, you will tell someone to turn undead, they will start doing it, then they will see an enemy and attack them, and thus stop turning undead

[oh yeah.. odd, when I posted that I was thinkging, "wonder why no-one has said that you can't attack while doing it" sorry tal, must be the christmas euphoria - we made snowmen!

]

[This message has been edited by Spudsquisher (edited December 23, 2001).]

Taluntain · Sat, 22nd Dec '01, 10:08pm

Um, yea, this is what I said.

Thu, 27th Dec '01, 12:27pm

I'm just seeing this ability's true potential! I walk into a room and 5 seconds later all undead go splat, even mummies! I love it!

Alyr Arkhon · Thu, 27th Dec '01, 10:37pm

Yes, nothing better than watch Viconia's little servants, while they're killing their former friends...

Fri, 28th Dec '01, 4:04am

Heh, that's cool but killing them ends it once and for all, and you get the experience too (actually you get the experience but not if the charmed creatures are killed). Heh, next game I'll try charming all of the undead in Bohdi's lair, then using them as cannon fodder against her

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[This message has been edited by Lord Sarevok (edited December 28, 2001).]

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Sat, 22nd Dec '01, 2:14pm	#1
kingsgambit Gems: 4/31 Latest gem: Sunstone Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: London, England Posts: 76 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 651 Level: 9 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 5.35% Daily Activity 2.98% Weekly Activity 1.28% Monthly Activity 2.11% Achievements	Throughout SoA both Keldorn and Viconia have this ability sitting there where a quick spell or weapon might've gone...but during numerous fights with undead I've tried clicking it and nothing happens...how does it work? How and when is it good to use?What does the Turn Undead level mean? Do different undead require you to have different TU levels? Any advice on this skill would be appreciated. Does it work on vampires/liches?

Sat, 22nd Dec '01, 2:30pm	#2
Taluntain SPS Account Holder Founder Resident Alpha and Omega Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Cori Celesti Posts: 20,794 Blog Entries: 13 Like: 154 Liked 120 Times in 78 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 53,142 Level: 58 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 49% Daily Activity 211.31% Weekly Activity 31.06% Monthly Activity 64.09% Achievements Awards	Hmm, many questions... 1. You need to have AI turned off, otherwise when you click it during a fight, it'll only last for one second before your characters go into default attack mode which will prevent turning undead. To turn undead, they must not attack with weapons or do anything else at the time. That's why most people never use it, or if they do, don't get it why it doesn't work (because of the AI/script thing.) 2. It works in a way that it either turns undead (makes them scatter, run away), or destroys them outright. A high level cleric or paladin for instance wouldn't just turn normal skeletons, he'd turn them to dust right away. Evil clerics can sometimes control undead with this ability. 3. It's good to use it (or better, only useful for) figthing undead. Any type, skeletons, vampires, liches etc. 4. Turn undead level means what level of undead you can turn at this point. The higher level the undead are, the harder it is to turn them. 5. Different undead do require different TU levels. (The tougher they are, the higher level you have to be to turn them.) This about covers it. [This message has been edited by Taluntain (edited December 22, 2001).]

Sat, 22nd Dec '01, 2:34pm	#3
Namuras Gems: 13/31 Latest gem: Ziose Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Halmstad, Sweden Posts: 556 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 1,584 Level: 13 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 40.37% Daily Activity 2.98% Weekly Activity 1.28% Monthly Activity 2.11% Achievements	Keldorn, being an inquisitor, can not turn undead. Anyway, a high level cleric or paladin (other than inquisitor) is the best weapon against undead. The turn undead ability works like this: You click the turn undead button, and wait until the text 'Turning Undead' (or something like that) appear on the bottom of the screen. During this time, you may move, but not attack. Then, if you succeed in your turning, the undead will either flee, explode or be charmed (evil cleric required). The ability only works if you are near undead (or a paladin if your cleric is evil), of course . Yes, it works on vampires and liches. I could use turn undead to kill a vampire on ~level 15 (maybe earlier) with my cleric. Thus, a paladin would have to be ~level 17 to kill vampires. I'm not sure what level you need in order to kill/charm a lich, though. This is a really nice ability when you're facing hordes of undead. Just walk in and watch them explode. Gaah! Too slow! [This message has been edited by Namuras (edited December 22, 2001).]

Sat, 22nd Dec '01, 4:08pm	#4
Black Rose Guest Posts: n/a vBActivity - Stats XP: 0 Level: 1 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 0% Daily Activity 0% Weekly Activity 0% Monthly Activity 0%	So Viconia can charm undead.. Damn. This makes up for her low Con and Strength that I'm suffering with right now..

Sat, 22nd Dec '01, 5:55pm	#5
kingsgambit Gems: 4/31 Latest gem: Sunstone Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: London, England Posts: 76 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 651 Level: 9 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 5.35% Daily Activity 2.98% Weekly Activity 1.28% Monthly Activity 2.11% Achievements	Taluntain, Namuras, thanks for the info. I didn't realise it was such a useful skill. I don't think I used it once...probably because of the AI thing...which would explain why a single mouse click didn't trigger it! I think I'm gonna see what happens if I take Viconia to pay Kangaxx a visit at or around Chapter 6, maybe Bodhi too...ooh the possibilities. I take it druids don't have the skill? I think that's quite interesting then...Clerics and Druids have magic in common and Clerics and Paladins have other skills in common...a lot of linking in...but that's a different topic.

Sat, 22nd Dec '01, 6:00pm	#6
Spudsquisher Gems: 13/31 Latest gem: Ziose Join Date: May 2001 Location: UK Posts: 546 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 1,684 Level: 13 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 77.16% Daily Activity 2.98% Weekly Activity 1.28% Monthly Activity 2.11% Achievements	If you want to use turn undead effectively, turn off party AI, with it on, you will tell someone to turn undead, they will start doing it, then they will see an enemy and attack them, and thus stop turning undead [oh yeah.. odd, when I posted that I was thinkging, "wonder why no-one has said that you can't attack while doing it" sorry tal, must be the christmas euphoria - we made snowmen! ] [This message has been edited by Spudsquisher (edited December 23, 2001).]

Sat, 22nd Dec '01, 10:08pm	#7
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Thu, 27th Dec '01, 12:27pm	#8
Lord Sarevok Guest Posts: n/a vBActivity - Stats XP: 0 Level: 1 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 0% Daily Activity 0% Weekly Activity 0% Monthly Activity 0%	I'm just seeing this ability's true potential! I walk into a room and 5 seconds later all undead go splat, even mummies! I love it!

Thu, 27th Dec '01, 10:37pm	#9
Alyr Arkhon Gems: 10/31 Latest gem: Zircon Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Kapospula, Hungary Posts: 359 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 1,178 Level: 11 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 76.18% Daily Activity 2.98% Weekly Activity 1.28% Monthly Activity 2.11% Achievements	Yes, nothing better than watch Viconia's little servants, while they're killing their former friends...

Fri, 28th Dec '01, 4:04am	#10
Lord Sarevok Guest Posts: n/a vBActivity - Stats XP: 0 Level: 1 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 0% Daily Activity 0% Weekly Activity 0% Monthly Activity 0%	Heh, that's cool but killing them ends it once and for all, and you get the experience too (actually you get the experience but not if the charmed creatures are killed). Heh, next game I'll try charming all of the undead in Bohdi's lair, then using them as cannon fodder against her . [This message has been edited by Lord Sarevok (edited December 28, 2001).]