POLL: Legolas racial enemy

Gothmog · Wed, 28th Aug '02, 6:36pm

What do you think which racial enemy would be more suitable for Legolas Orcs or Spiders?

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Poll Results: Legolas racial enemy (42 votes.)

Legolas racial enemy (Choose 1)
* ORCS - 93% (39)
* SPIDERS - 7% (3)

Gladiator · Wed, 28th Aug '02, 8:57pm

Definetly orcs.

Gothmog · Wed, 28th Aug '02, 9:35pm

Yeah great lead for now. I'm the only Spider Bane for now

[ August 28, 2002, 21:36: Message edited by: Gothmog4230 ]

Jack Funk · Wed, 28th Aug '02, 11:05pm

Orcs. Definately. They are "derived" from (or is it based on?) elves so it fits neatly.

Kyndig · Thu, 29th Aug '02, 12:28am

Orcs were created from elves and bred by Sauron to be the opposite to Elves. Evil, mailicious and they perverted nature. Sauron created them to show his contempt for elves and as such the elves hate orcs becuase they are a pervision of all that the elves believe. The elves did not have that much to do with spiders they both lived in the forests but they usually stayed clear of each they don't really fill the description of a racial enemy while any time the elves could the elves destroyed orcs. (although they grew more cautious as their numbers dwindled as many elves left middle earth)

TheBlackRose · Thu, 29th Aug '02, 1:31am

Orcs are the classic enemies in Fellowship of the Ring at least. And all those clips of Legolas, rapid-firing his bow into the orcish hordes never fails to amaze.

Maldir · Thu, 29th Aug '02, 11:13am

Orcs. I think there would be very few cases where an Elf from Middle Earth would not have Orcs as their racial enemy, given that they were bred specifically in mockery of Elves; the hatred between the two races is mutual and extremely bitter.

Gothmog · Thu, 29th Aug '02, 12:53pm

The winner is... ORCS! Their reward is 20 arrows in head

Morgoth · Thu, 29th Aug '02, 2:43pm

Uh, Kyndig
Orcs were created by Melkor

Guess, guess what Melkor´s elvish name is!

*Hint* It´s in big letters left of this post (Yes above the jewel)

Gothmog · Thu, 29th Aug '02, 3:51pm

When Melkor(Morgoth Bauglir enemy of the world) stole the three jewels (Silmarils) who went with him?

Oh and Kyndig orcs were not evil copy of elves for they were much weaker and bred very quickly.

[ August 29, 2002, 15:53: Message edited by: Gothmog4230 ]

Walker · Fri, 30th Aug '02, 10:29am

Legolas is from Mirkwood (I think, been a long time since read book). Mirkwood was infested with spiders, so why wouldn't it be spiders?

[ August 30, 2002, 10:31: Message edited by: Walker ]

Gothmog · Fri, 30th Aug '02, 11:35am

Yeah thats what i thought

voting for spiders

I guess others think diffrent and seeing how many think diffrent they must have a good reason

Eze · Fri, 30th Aug '02, 12:08pm

Orcs definitely. They whacked them all the time.

Arabwel · Mon, 2nd Sep '02, 1:56pm

Orcs. No dice.

Ara
(Spreee! Twilly!)

Headbanger · Mon, 2nd Sep '02, 1:59pm

I vote for option 3: Dwarfs

Orcs and Elfs where always the biggest enemies of each other, because the origin of the orcish race.

Sick curtaiN · Mon, 2nd Sep '02, 3:41pm

Orcs. It's a lot cooler to fight them than creepy crawly spiders.

Gothmog · Mon, 2nd Sep '02, 8:45pm

IIRC dwarf-elf hatred has began when Thingol was slain by dwarfs :
Thingol's doom came upon him when Beren brought him a Silmaril from Morgoth's crown as the bride-price of his daughter Lúthien. He summoned Dwarves from the Blue Mountains to set the jewel in the necklace Nauglamír, and the Dwarves became so enamoured of their work that they slew Thingol in his own treasury.

I cant remember any earlier event that would couse disliking of races

Maldir · Tue, 3rd Sep '02, 10:24am

The orc-elf hatred started much earlier than this, from the time of the orcs' creation. The episode with the Nauglamír happened during the First Age wars between the Elves (and allies, including Dwarves) and Orcs in Beleriand. The betrayal of Thingol did not affect all Elves and Dwarves - only two houses of Dwarves were involved in this, and the other houses continued to have good relationships with Elves, as shown by the cooperation and alliance between the Dwarves of Moria and the Elves of Eregion in the Second Age. Later, however, the Dwarves refused refuge to the Elves when Sauron invaded their land, and further on the Dwarves were blamed by Elves in Lórien for awakening the Balrog, which increased the distrust of the Dwarves by the Elves. However this didn't reach the state of racial enemy, as both the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings show. The Elves of Mirkwood, being descended from those of Doriath, would have most reason to hate Dwarves, but while they would kill spiders on sight (and similarly Orcs), they merely imprisoned Thorin and Company in not uncomfortable conditions. The treatment of Gimli by the Elves of Lórien shows great distrust, but not hatred.

Gothmog · Tue, 3rd Sep '02, 9:36pm

We heard the expert speaking

So there won't be any Dwarf racial enemy

Morgoth · Sat, 7th Sep '02, 3:56pm

Wow!!
Tolkien nerds unite!!

griffin1987 · Mon, 9th Sep '02, 12:31am

Well kyndig...i believe it was MELKOR that created orcs, not Sauron.

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Wed, 28th Aug '02, 6:36pm	#1
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Wed, 28th Aug '02, 8:57pm	#2
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Wed, 28th Aug '02, 9:35pm	#3
Gothmog SPS Account Holder Man, a curious beast indeed! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: That big Forest - Slovenia Posts: 1,829 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 4,399 Level: 20 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 96.43% Daily Activity 2.43% Weekly Activity 2.43% Monthly Activity 3.6% Achievements	Yeah great lead for now. I'm the only Spider Bane for now [ August 28, 2002, 21:36: Message edited by: Gothmog4230 ]

Wed, 28th Aug '02, 11:05pm	#4
Jack Funk Ain't we funkin' now Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NH, USA Posts: 1,778 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 4,544 Level: 21 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 25.64% Daily Activity 2.43% Weekly Activity 2.43% Monthly Activity 2.04% Achievements	Orcs. Definately. They are "derived" from (or is it based on?) elves so it fits neatly.

Thu, 29th Aug '02, 12:28am	#5
Kyndig Gems: 1/31 Latest gem: Turquoise Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 408 Level: 7 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 32.38% Daily Activity 2.43% Weekly Activity 2.43% Monthly Activity 2.04% Achievements	Orcs were created from elves and bred by Sauron to be the opposite to Elves. Evil, mailicious and they perverted nature. Sauron created them to show his contempt for elves and as such the elves hate orcs becuase they are a pervision of all that the elves believe. The elves did not have that much to do with spiders they both lived in the forests but they usually stayed clear of each they don't really fill the description of a racial enemy while any time the elves could the elves destroyed orcs. (although they grew more cautious as their numbers dwindled as many elves left middle earth)

Thu, 29th Aug '02, 1:31am	#6
TheBlackRose Gems: 13/31 Latest gem: Ziose Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: United States Posts: 545 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 1,385 Level: 12 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 63.18% Daily Activity 2.43% Weekly Activity 2.43% Monthly Activity 2.04% Achievements	Orcs are the classic enemies in Fellowship of the Ring at least. And all those clips of Legolas, rapid-firing his bow into the orcish hordes never fails to amaze.

Thu, 29th Aug '02, 11:13am	#7
Maldir Gems: 11/31 Latest gem: Bloodstone Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Chester, UK Posts: 433 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 1,368 Level: 12 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 56.24% Daily Activity 2.43% Weekly Activity 2.43% Monthly Activity 2.04% Achievements	Orcs. I think there would be very few cases where an Elf from Middle Earth would not have Orcs as their racial enemy, given that they were bred specifically in mockery of Elves; the hatred between the two races is mutual and extremely bitter.

Thu, 29th Aug '02, 12:53pm	#8
Gothmog SPS Account Holder Man, a curious beast indeed! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: That big Forest - Slovenia Posts: 1,829 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 4,399 Level: 20 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 96.43% Daily Activity 2.43% Weekly Activity 2.43% Monthly Activity 3.6% Achievements	The winner is... ORCS! Their reward is 20 arrows in head

Thu, 29th Aug '02, 2:43pm	#9
Morgoth Forever reading, never to be read! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Amsterdam, Holland Posts: 3,607 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 8,320 Level: 27 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 57.8% Daily Activity 2.43% Weekly Activity 2.43% Monthly Activity 2.04% Achievements	Uh, Kyndig Orcs were created by Melkor Guess, guess what Melkor´s elvish name is! Hint It´s in big letters left of this post (Yes above the jewel)

Thu, 29th Aug '02, 3:51pm	#10
Gothmog SPS Account Holder Man, a curious beast indeed! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: That big Forest - Slovenia Posts: 1,829 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 4,399 Level: 20 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 96.43% Daily Activity 2.43% Weekly Activity 2.43% Monthly Activity 3.6% Achievements	When Melkor(Morgoth Bauglir enemy of the world) stole the three jewels (Silmarils) who went with him? Oh and Kyndig orcs were not evil copy of elves for they were much weaker and bred very quickly. [ August 29, 2002, 15:53: Message edited by: Gothmog4230 ]

Fri, 30th Aug '02, 10:29am	#11
Walker Gems: 4/31 Latest gem: Sunstone Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: In a state of total confusion! Posts: 87 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 580 Level: 8 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 58.52% Daily Activity 2.43% Weekly Activity 2.43% Monthly Activity 2.04% Achievements	Legolas is from Mirkwood (I think, been a long time since read book). Mirkwood was infested with spiders, so why wouldn't it be spiders? [ August 30, 2002, 10:31: Message edited by: Walker ]

Fri, 30th Aug '02, 11:35am	#12
Gothmog SPS Account Holder Man, a curious beast indeed! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: That big Forest - Slovenia Posts: 1,829 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 4,399 Level: 20 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 96.43% Daily Activity 2.43% Weekly Activity 2.43% Monthly Activity 3.6% Achievements	Yeah thats what i thought voting for spiders I guess others think diffrent and seeing how many think diffrent they must have a good reason

Fri, 30th Aug '02, 12:08pm	#13
Eze Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tallinn, Estonia Posts: 1,900 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 3,859 Level: 19 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 79.91% Daily Activity 0% Weekly Activity 0% Monthly Activity 0% Achievements	Orcs definitely. They whacked them all the time.

Mon, 2nd Sep '02, 1:56pm	#14
Arabwel Gems: 31/31 Latest gem: Rogue Stone Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Land of Ire Posts: 7,944 Like: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post vBActivity - Stats XP: 16,950 Level: 37 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 18.98% Daily Activity 2.43% Weekly Activity 2.43% Monthly Activity 2.04% Achievements	Orcs. No dice. Ara (Spreee! Twilly!)

Mon, 2nd Sep '02, 1:59pm	#15
Headbanger Gems: 29/31 Latest gem: Glittering Beljuril Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 3,233 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 7,252 Level: 26 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 1.08% Daily Activity 2.43% Weekly Activity 2.43% Monthly Activity 2.04% Achievements	I vote for option 3: Dwarfs Orcs and Elfs where always the biggest enemies of each other, because the origin of the orcish race.

Mon, 2nd Sep '02, 3:41pm	#16
Sick curtaiN Gems: 5/31 Latest gem: Andar Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Philippines Posts: 137 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 709 Level: 9 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 38.72% Daily Activity 2.43% Weekly Activity 2.43% Monthly Activity 2.04% Achievements	Orcs. It's a lot cooler to fight them than creepy crawly spiders.

Mon, 2nd Sep '02, 8:45pm	#17
Gothmog SPS Account Holder Man, a curious beast indeed! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: That big Forest - Slovenia Posts: 1,829 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 4,399 Level: 20 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 96.43% Daily Activity 2.43% Weekly Activity 2.43% Monthly Activity 3.6% Achievements	IIRC dwarf-elf hatred has began when Thingol was slain by dwarfs : Thingol's doom came upon him when Beren brought him a Silmaril from Morgoth's crown as the bride-price of his daughter Lúthien. He summoned Dwarves from the Blue Mountains to set the jewel in the necklace Nauglamír, and the Dwarves became so enamoured of their work that they slew Thingol in his own treasury. I cant remember any earlier event that would couse disliking of races

Tue, 3rd Sep '02, 10:24am	#18
Maldir Gems: 11/31 Latest gem: Bloodstone Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Chester, UK Posts: 433 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 1,368 Level: 12 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 56.24% Daily Activity 2.43% Weekly Activity 2.43% Monthly Activity 2.04% Achievements	The orc-elf hatred started much earlier than this, from the time of the orcs' creation. The episode with the Nauglamír happened during the First Age wars between the Elves (and allies, including Dwarves) and Orcs in Beleriand. The betrayal of Thingol did not affect all Elves and Dwarves - only two houses of Dwarves were involved in this, and the other houses continued to have good relationships with Elves, as shown by the cooperation and alliance between the Dwarves of Moria and the Elves of Eregion in the Second Age. Later, however, the Dwarves refused refuge to the Elves when Sauron invaded their land, and further on the Dwarves were blamed by Elves in Lórien for awakening the Balrog, which increased the distrust of the Dwarves by the Elves. However this didn't reach the state of racial enemy, as both the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings show. The Elves of Mirkwood, being descended from those of Doriath, would have most reason to hate Dwarves, but while they would kill spiders on sight (and similarly Orcs), they merely imprisoned Thorin and Company in not uncomfortable conditions. The treatment of Gimli by the Elves of Lórien shows great distrust, but not hatred.

Tue, 3rd Sep '02, 9:36pm	#19
Gothmog SPS Account Holder Man, a curious beast indeed! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: That big Forest - Slovenia Posts: 1,829 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 4,399 Level: 20 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 96.43% Daily Activity 2.43% Weekly Activity 2.43% Monthly Activity 3.6% Achievements	We heard the expert speaking So there won't be any Dwarf racial enemy

Sat, 7th Sep '02, 3:56pm	#20
Morgoth Forever reading, never to be read! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Amsterdam, Holland Posts: 3,607 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 8,320 Level: 27 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 57.8% Daily Activity 2.43% Weekly Activity 2.43% Monthly Activity 2.04% Achievements	Wow!! Tolkien nerds unite!!

Mon, 9th Sep '02, 12:31am	#21
griffin1987 Gems: 4/31 Latest gem: Sunstone Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: coral springs, FL, USA Posts: 89 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 676 Level: 9 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 19.59% Daily Activity 2.43% Weekly Activity 2.43% Monthly Activity 2.04% Achievements	Well kyndig...i believe it was MELKOR that created orcs, not Sauron.