Romance skipped- part of a mod?

Good Thoughts · Mon, 6th Dec '04, 10:26pm

I'm a little confused. I am travelling with Viconia and Jaheira and had planned on letting Jaheira down pretty soon as I had yet to try Vic's romance.
I tried some mods for this game. Specifically,
Underrepresented Items, Unfinished Business, Improved Cromwell/Cespenar and Kelsey SOA and TOB.

It appears that the dialog with Vic and Jaheira where they duke it out and I have to choose one was ignored. I did not intend for that to happen and didn't realize that any mod I had installed would cause this to occur. Does anyone know why this might have happened? Thanks.

Takara · Mon, 6th Dec '04, 11:09pm

Most likely due to unfinished buisness. iirc that mod allows for multiple romances. If that is the case then you will never have to choose between them. The standard requiements, race wise, still apply of course. ie no elves can romance Vic etc.

The Shaman · Mon, 6th Dec '04, 11:31pm

By the way, is there any romance for dwarves or half-orcs at all?

Good Thoughts · Mon, 6th Dec '04, 11:47pm

Thanks for the input Takara. I looked at pocket plane and didn't see any reference to multiple romances in UB. Strange.

Takara · Tue, 7th Dec '04, 12:32am

@The Shaman, I think that if there is a non-mod NPC you can romance as those races it is Aerie. All the others you cant. I know you can romance her as a Gnome, so a dwarf isnt too unlikely. After that, you will have to take a mod-NPC if you want a romance for either race.

@Good Thoughts, I'm not completely sure if UB has multi-romances as part of it, but I'm pretty sure that you have that option enabled as part of your game.

Kitrax · Tue, 7th Dec '04, 3:40am

Here's a quote I took directly from the SP Romance Guide:

Quote:

Racial (lame) issues:
Dwarves and Halforcs can’t get any romance
Humans, Halfelves and Halflings can romance anyone of the four romancing NPCs depending on gender.
Male Elves can’t romance Viconia.
Male Gnomes can romance Aerie ONLY. Female Gnomes can’t romance Anomen.

The Ease of Use mod has a couple of romance tweaks...one of the tweaks lets you have multi-romances. Another one of Ease's tweaks lets you romance no matter your race/gender...I tried it out once, during my game as a charcter modeled after Korgan. I knew I had it installed, but I was still shocked when Anomen and Kelsey tried to romance an evil, male dwarf...all you have to do is tell them to shut up or back off and you'll never have to hear them try to woo you again.

CamDawg · Tue, 7th Dec '04, 7:54am

Unfinished Business does not include any multi-romance tweaks.

Andyr · Tue, 7th Dec '04, 12:01pm

Yes, it's not UB.

I'd suggest it must be your race, wrong dialogue choices, or a bug with the main game.

Good Thoughts · Tue, 7th Dec '04, 4:50pm

Thanks guys. I'm sure I must have done something that I just don't remember. Appreciate all the info. Later on.

jcompton · Tue, 7th Dec '04, 5:04pm

It's also possible that the interrupting NPC was not considered valid for dialogue at the time--might have been behind a wall or too far away or something like that.

But yes, not in UB in any way shape or form. At PPG, we bury multiromance, not praise it.

Takara · Tue, 7th Dec '04, 6:56pm

Ok, my mistake. I always hated the multi-romance thing. Had it once, and it lead to me having to ditch one of my NPCs.

chevalier · Tue, 7th Dec '04, 9:07pm

To be honest, I consider all those multiple and "happy" romance tweaks lame. I don't care all that much, because it's up the player what mods he will install and run with his game, but I don't like the atmosphere surrounding the development of romance mods in modding communities. The pressure of gay and bisexual lobbies, or sometimes just bored people with an overwhelming desire to be trendy, to remove scripted gender checks or even use gender-neutral language if not write specifically homosexual lines, which also leads to same gender NPCs hitting on your player character. Or the incessant hysterical queries of militant liberals who have nothing better to do in a gaming forum than to make sure the mod maker doesn't neglect his duty to include an abortion line as a dialogue option available in case of conception. All that hassle deprives romance of anything magical and provides you with immersive politically correct experience instead. No, thank you very much.

This is the reason why I, in fact, avoid any mods that have anything to do with romance, except for Flirtpacks or the old and forgotten Nalia mod (which I don't really like for different reasons).

But to answer the question, none of the mods you have installed seems to be the cause of the problem. There is a chance your dialogue needs more time to appear or maybe you have chosen a dialogue option which ends the romance. But the latter is hard to miss, so you would know. Try checking ViconiaRomance and ViconiaMatch variables in the Clua console or in Shadow Keeper. You will find a Clua guide and a Shadow Keeper download somewhere in the cheats subsection of the Baldur's Gate 2 section of SP (click here).

Good Thoughts · Tue, 7th Dec '04, 11:40pm

Thanks for the further info fellas. Viconia's romance has continued- it is just as if those lines got skipped. Jaheira has continued as well. The reason I picked up on it at all was because Viconia mentioned something in one of her dialogues that referenced something we had not talked about yet. So I went and looked it up in the SOA Romancing guide and just read what had been skipped. It included the part where Jaheira interjected for the last time.
I did a complete uninstall before I started this game w/ mods because I had had technical troubles earlier. I guesss it is possible though that something could have remained even after the uninstall. I tried the multi-romance once before by editing some file I can't remember what. I did not care for it though at the time. I've been through BG2 about 3 times now.
Later folks.

SimDing0 · Thu, 9th Dec '04, 1:02pm

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To be honest, I consider all those multiple and "happy" romance tweaks lame. I don't care all that much, because it's up the player what mods he will install and run with his game, but I don't like the atmosphere surrounding the development of romance mods in modding communities.

Given your perception of the atmosphere, I don't think you're paying attention in the right places...

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The pressure of gay and bisexual lobbies, or sometimes just bored people with an overwhelming desire to be trendy, to remove scripted gender checks or even use gender-neutral language if not write specifically homosexual lines, which also leads to same gender NPCs hitting on your player character. Or the incessant hysterical queries of militant liberals who have nothing better to do in a gaming forum than to make sure the mod maker doesn't neglect his duty to include an abortion line as a dialogue option available in case of conception. All that hassle deprives romance of anything magical and provides you with immersive politically correct experience instead.

...because I certainly haven't noticed very much of this...

Quote:

This is the reason why I, in fact, avoid any mods that have anything to do with romance, except for Flirtpacks or the old and forgotten Nalia mod (which I don't really like for different reasons).

...and as a result, you're missing out on the majority of romances, which do not feature gender-inspecific dialogue (incidentally, Solaufein is the only example of this that I can think of at all).

Enagonios · Thu, 9th Dec '04, 1:55pm

iirc there's also the female chloe npc that will romance a female pc or imoen. could be mistaken though, as i've never used her myself

SimDing0 · Thu, 9th Dec '04, 2:33pm

Chloe's intentionally written as a lesbian, as was the author's design from the very start. She won't romance males at all.

chevalier · Thu, 9th Dec '04, 9:35pm

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Given your perception of the atmosphere, I don't think you're paying attention in the right places...

Indeed, I don't consider them the right places and I don't frequent them anymore.

Quote:

...because I certainly haven't noticed very much of this...

Perhaps you aren't paying attention in the right places then.
I could give you links, but I would need more of a reason to make myself look through it. There's a reason why I don't go there.

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...and as a result, you're missing out on the majority of romances, which do not feature gender-inspecific dialogue (incidentally, Solaufein is the only example of this that I can think of at all).

If you know the NPC romances both genders of PCs and doesn't mind you gender, the feeling is quite awkward, you know.

Taluntain · Thu, 9th Dec '04, 10:33pm

This is going off topic, please start a new one if you want to continue on it.

SimDing0 · Thu, 9th Dec '04, 10:33pm

Okay, sorry... continued here.

Mon, 6th Dec '04, 11:09pm	#2
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Tue, 7th Dec '04, 12:32am	#5
Takara SPS Account Holder Distinguished Member My goodness! I see turnips everywhere Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Uncle gerhadts turnip still Posts: 3,598 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 8,031 Level: 27 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 16.78% Daily Activity 2.55% Weekly Activity 0.73% Monthly Activity 1.73% Achievements	@The Shaman, I think that if there is a non-mod NPC you can romance as those races it is Aerie. All the others you cant. I know you can romance her as a Gnome, so a dwarf isnt too unlikely. After that, you will have to take a mod-NPC if you want a romance for either race. @Good Thoughts, I'm not completely sure if UB has multi-romances as part of it, but I'm pretty sure that you have that option enabled as part of your game.
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Mon, 6th Dec '04, 10:26pm	#1
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Mon, 6th Dec '04, 11:31pm	#3
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Mon, 6th Dec '04, 11:47pm	#4
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Tue, 7th Dec '04, 4:50pm	#9
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Tue, 7th Dec '04, 5:04pm	#10
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Tue, 7th Dec '04, 9:07pm	#12
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Tue, 7th Dec '04, 11:40pm	#13
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