Experience value of a White Dragon?

Modjahed · Wed, 18th Sep '02, 11:08pm

The answer is – 0 (zero).

I have just finished Chapter 3 with my solo character. He is a level 19 character – Cleric of Temps 12 / Fighter 4 / Rogue 3.

The last time I got exp from monster killing was getting 162! Exp for killing an Ice Golem Champion in Chapter 2. Elder Dark Treants give 0 exp, White Dragons give 0 exp, Umber Hulks – 0 exp.

His stats are as follows:

EXP: 180,000

Chaotic Good, Male, Human.

STR 17 (25 when buffed up)
DEX 13 (16 when buffed up)
CON 14 (17 when buffed up)
INT 13
WIS 20 (19 natural, +1 Ring of the Wise)
CHA 04

He has 202 HP (yeah, I put “Max HP”, so what), 192 natural, +10 from Shield.

Saving Throws: Fortitude +17, Reflex +12, Will +19.

Turn Undead level 12, Sneak Attack 2d6.

Bonus spells: lvl 2-5 -> +1, lvl 1 -> +2

Resistances:
Cold 6/- (16 when buffed up)
Piercing, Slashing 1/- (11 when buffed)
Spell Resistance 2/- (24 when buffed up)

Number of Attacks: 3 -> Att. Bonus +16/+11/+6 (+20/+15/+10 when buffed up)

Armor Class: 34 -> Base 10, Armor 8, Shield 2, Deflection 2, Generic 6, Expertise 5.

Damage: 7-17 (14-24 when buffed up) +1d4 electric

Major Skills: Concentration - 13; Knowledge - 23; Diplomacy, Hide, Intimidate, Open Lock - 8.

Major feats: Improved Cleave, Improved Critical, Power Attack, Expertise, Dodge, Snake Blood, Luck of Heroes, Arterial Strike, Discipline, Bullheaded.

Spellbook (level 1 to 6): 7,5,5,4,4,2
Domain spells: 1 each level
Total 33.

Spells needed to buff up: Draw Upon Holy Might, Champion’s Strength, Iron Skins, Divine Shell, Spell Resistance, Protection from Fire (and Lightning).

Throw in 5 Animate Dead, 3 Flame Strikes and Globe of Blades for offense and you get a full view of potential.

Equipment so far:

Warhammer +2 (+1d4 electrical damage)
Shield of Fortitude (+10 HP)
Boring Beetle Full Plate
Cloak of Protection +1
Houndstooth Collar (immunity to Fear and Panic)
Ring of Wise
Ring of Protection +2
Bracers *CENSORED*
Wyrm’s Maw (helmet with Cone of Cold ability)
Boots of the North

Other weapons (Fire Morningstar, Returning Axe, Long Bow of Spell Resistance, Longsword +2 (+1 cold damage)) are used when appropriate.

[ September 18, 2002, 23:11: Message edited by: Modjahed ]

Vormaerin · Wed, 18th Sep '02, 11:14pm

yeah, zero sounds about right. You are level 19. That encounter is designed for characers around 11 or 12. A juvenile white dragon is only a CR 9 or so in the Monster Manual.

Scott · Sat, 28th Sep '02, 4:36am

My characters are level 11. It seems ridiculous that golems encountered earlier in the game were worth thousands of xp, and a White Dragon is worth a mere 500. What a huge dissapointment after an intense battle.

Vormaerin · Sat, 28th Sep '02, 9:09am

The golems are considered very high challenge rating because they have a large number of immunities and resistances. If you know to switch to the particular weapons that hurt them, they aren't that tough. But on paper, they much harder than a juvenile white dragon.

Lrd Feanor · Sat, 28th Sep '02, 7:48pm

What character editor did you use to get a 19 level by he end of chapter 3. I just finished the game and my characters were level 17.

Vormaerin · Sat, 28th Sep '02, 8:06pm

He was playing a solo character. Its entirely possible that he got to level 19 without using any editor at all.

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Wed, 18th Sep '02, 11:08pm	#1
Modjahed Gems: 14/31 Latest gem: Chrysoberyl Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Minsc! .... 8-[ ] Posts: 620 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 1,973 Level: 14 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 76.52% Daily Activity 2.26% Weekly Activity 1.29% Monthly Activity 1.51% Achievements	The answer is – 0 (zero). I have just finished Chapter 3 with my solo character. He is a level 19 character – Cleric of Temps 12 / Fighter 4 / Rogue 3. The last time I got exp from monster killing was getting 162! Exp for killing an Ice Golem Champion in Chapter 2. Elder Dark Treants give 0 exp, White Dragons give 0 exp, Umber Hulks – 0 exp. His stats are as follows: EXP: 180,000 Chaotic Good, Male, Human. STR 17 (25 when buffed up) DEX 13 (16 when buffed up) CON 14 (17 when buffed up) INT 13 WIS 20 (19 natural, +1 Ring of the Wise) CHA 04 He has 202 HP (yeah, I put “Max HP”, so what), 192 natural, +10 from Shield. Saving Throws: Fortitude +17, Reflex +12, Will +19. Turn Undead level 12, Sneak Attack 2d6. Bonus spells: lvl 2-5 -> +1, lvl 1 -> +2 Resistances: Cold 6/- (16 when buffed up) Piercing, Slashing 1/- (11 when buffed) Spell Resistance 2/- (24 when buffed up) Number of Attacks: 3 -> Att. Bonus +16/+11/+6 (+20/+15/+10 when buffed up) Armor Class: 34 -> Base 10, Armor 8, Shield 2, Deflection 2, Generic 6, Expertise 5. Damage: 7-17 (14-24 when buffed up) +1d4 electric Major Skills: Concentration - 13; Knowledge - 23; Diplomacy, Hide, Intimidate, Open Lock - 8. Major feats: Improved Cleave, Improved Critical, Power Attack, Expertise, Dodge, Snake Blood, Luck of Heroes, Arterial Strike, Discipline, Bullheaded. Spellbook (level 1 to 6): 7,5,5,4,4,2 Domain spells: 1 each level Total 33. Spells needed to buff up: Draw Upon Holy Might, Champion’s Strength, Iron Skins, Divine Shell, Spell Resistance, Protection from Fire (and Lightning). Throw in 5 Animate Dead, 3 Flame Strikes and Globe of Blades for offense and you get a full view of potential. Equipment so far: Warhammer +2 (+1d4 electrical damage) Shield of Fortitude (+10 HP) Boring Beetle Full Plate Cloak of Protection +1 Houndstooth Collar (immunity to Fear and Panic) Ring of Wise Ring of Protection +2 Bracers CENSORED Wyrm’s Maw (helmet with Cone of Cold ability) Boots of the North Other weapons (Fire Morningstar, Returning Axe, Long Bow of Spell Resistance, Longsword +2 (+1 cold damage)) are used when appropriate. [ September 18, 2002, 23:11: Message edited by: Modjahed ]

Wed, 18th Sep '02, 11:14pm	#2
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Sat, 28th Sep '02, 4:36am	#3
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Sat, 28th Sep '02, 9:09am	#4
Vormaerin Gems: 15/31 Latest gem: Waterstar Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 799 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 2,031 Level: 14 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 95.82% Daily Activity 2.26% Weekly Activity 1.29% Monthly Activity 1.51% Achievements	The golems are considered very high challenge rating because they have a large number of immunities and resistances. If you know to switch to the particular weapons that hurt them, they aren't that tough. But on paper, they much harder than a juvenile white dragon.

Sat, 28th Sep '02, 7:48pm	#5
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Sat, 28th Sep '02, 8:06pm	#6
Vormaerin Gems: 15/31 Latest gem: Waterstar Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 799 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 2,031 Level: 14 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 95.82% Daily Activity 2.26% Weekly Activity 1.29% Monthly Activity 1.51% Achievements	He was playing a solo character. Its entirely possible that he got to level 19 without using any editor at all.