KOTOR best game series? I think so.

Dragon's Jewel · Sat, 17th Sep '05, 9:42pm

Am I obssessed? Yeah, maybe a little. I'm now on my second run through the second game, after completing the first one twice (I couldn't continue to live until I had managed to get a successful romance ... and keep in mind that I have a brand new baby).
So here's the topic, actually.. does anyone know if they're ever going to come out with a third? You know, eventually. Discussions about the awesomeness of KOTOR is okay too

chevalier · Sat, 17th Sep '05, 11:48pm

Yes, KotOR is awesome. Awesome, I'm telling you. As was my Scout/Consular (Revan) and my Consular/Jedi Master (Exile) who pwned everyone in melee without trying hard.

I loved the dialogues in KotOR 1. Perhaps they were somewhat better technically in 2. Generally, 2 was different. A bit like a different kind of game. Can't say which one I prefer but maybe even actually 1. Again, don't hold me to this.

And KotOR 3 seems to be already in the making, to answer your question.

It's definitely going to come out.

Pac man · Sun, 18th Sep '05, 1:57am

I completely fell in love with KotOR too, but not as much as i loved the BG series, or NWN. Dunno why, but i guess the medieval sort of setting always works better for me than the futuristic one.

Enagonios · Sun, 18th Sep '05, 7:17am

i'm not a star wars fan but i loved KotOR. 2 could've been so much better though.

The Kilted Crusader · Sun, 18th Sep '05, 1:07pm

I love both games immensely. The first is definately better though, for me, it was because

SPOILER

you were Revan. The Exile wasn't quite as good (Although that scene where he rams his lightsabre through the Jedi stone thing was pretty damn awesome.)

edit: well spotted Enagonios

[ September 19, 2005, 18:23: Message edited by: The Kilted Crusader ]

Enagonios · Mon, 19th Sep '05, 3:09am

shoulda put the "spoiler" above the "you were revan line"

although it was cooler being revan that's not why i preferred part 1. it's because they rushed part 2 out that there were so many bugs and unexplained/unresolved plot stuff.

Sparhawk the Pandion · Mon, 19th Sep '05, 3:43pm

I don't think at 2 games it can be best series ever (I personally think that QfG held its quality for 5 games, so I pick that).

However it's certainly one of the best series of the past few years, and I'm looking forward to any KotOR 3.

Enagonios · Mon, 19th Sep '05, 4:05pm

if consistency is a criteria then I'd have to say that the Final Fantasy series is the best ever. Even their spin-off FF Tactics was awesome.

Drugar · Mon, 19th Sep '05, 4:30pm

I played the second KotOR game shortly after finishing the first. The thing I didn't like was that the story didn't continue. Ywes, there was a reference to Revan in the game, but not as prominent as I hoped for. I understand the reasons for this though.

Furthermore I like the first game more than the second.

Malovae · Mon, 19th Sep '05, 8:21pm

I liked KOTOR 1 but number 2 is a bit, idon't know... slap dash?? not as polished. I liked the fact they removed the XP cap though.

NonSequitur · Wed, 21st Sep '05, 2:53am

It'd be too early to say "greatest game series ever", since it's only two games in (with a third undoubtedly in the works). It has the potential to be that good, though. Time will tell, although I have to agree that the FF series is, for longevity and quality, very hard to match. The QfG series is also a hard act to follow, although I never played QfG 5.

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*potential spoilers*

I greatly enjoyed KOTOR, especially the dialogues, NPC interactions (although I thought the romance for female PCs was a bit of a dud, unless you were evil) and the general all-round spiffiness of using lightsabers. The romance for male PCs was, in my opinion, much more linear than the ones in BG2, yet it was at least as well-written and believable, and very enjoyable no matter the ultimate outcome.

My personal favourite NPC from KOTOR was HK-47; it was something of a pity that even though he's in KOTOR 2, he's not the droid he used to be. The conversation interjections he made were hilarious, and typically involved a desire to engage in some gratuitous violence, or to push you towards it with a hopeful tone of voice. The Tanis interjection was, IMO, one of the best dialogues in the game ("Negative - I just don't like organic meatbags. Uh, except for the master, of course. Ha ha."), closely followed by the repair dialogues about his former owners.

Sparhawk the Pandion · Wed, 21st Sep '05, 5:58pm

'1% chance of imminent violence. Though that may just be wishful thinking on my part, master.'

HK-47 is great

Alavin · Wed, 21st Sep '05, 6:14pm

My big problem with KotOR is that it forces you to be a Jedi. The only option you get is an affirmative, and so the player is unable to make a decision. It's really that moment that puts me off playing it again. Also, it has the 5 and 3 litre bottles to make 4 litres, which I still can't do. I've always managed it by trial and error. And Jolee was annoying.

I preferred 2, buggy though it was. I can't remember it very well, but it was nice that you weren't always in control of the main character. He/she became less the centre of the world, which allowed a story to unfold. Shame about the ending.

wenchwogg · Wed, 21st Sep '05, 6:28pm

KOTOR 1 + 2 are two of my favorite games I own. I think I preferred the second to the first, just because it topped the original in pretty much every way (except for maybe the story).

I've only played through both games once, and I was Darkside

One of these days I'll force myself to be good, I swear!

Blackthorne TA · Wed, 21st Sep '05, 9:34pm

I thought KotOR 1 was great; I haven't bought the second one yet, but I will...

Re the bottles:
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Empty the 3L bottle, then pour the 2L from the 5L bottle into the 3L bottle. You now have 2L in the 3L bottle and an empty 5L bottle.
Fill the 5L bottle. You now have 5L in the 5L bottle and 2L in the 3L bottle.
Fill the 3L bottle from the 5L bottle. Since the 3L had 2L in it already, it takes 1L to fill it, leaving 4L in the 5L bottle.

Alavin · Wed, 21st Sep '05, 9:42pm

Thanks a lot! I've saved that to a txt file for next time.

Dragon's Jewel · Tue, 4th Oct '05, 3:45am

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed the broken plots in 2, since I thought I had missed something somewhere. I definitely prefer 1, but it's kinda like asking me if I prefer sour cream and onion or barbeque chips... very hard to choose. And I personally loved the female romance in 1.

Yay KOTOR 3!!

Ofelix · Tue, 4th Oct '05, 4:57am

****Might contain some spoiler for both Kotors****

Yeah Kotor rocks. Thanks goodness I'm not the only one who though that their were plot holes in the second. I agree with Alavin, it'll be nice for the third NOT to be a Jedi, I'd really love to be a Han Solo-style badass. Is it me or I'm the only one who find that being THE guy in video games get kinda repetitive? I mean in the first you were Revan, in the second your very presence was a threat to the universe (kinda cool though

). I mean come on I want to be a no name Jedi who end up beating every menace and restore peace!

Jedi master 1; Hey X saved the day All praise X
Jedi master 2; Who the hell is X?
Jedi master 1; Dunno some Jedi, but he *did* save the day
Jedi mastee 2; Oh okay, well good job X.

Sun, 18th Sep '05, 7:17am	#4
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Mon, 19th Sep '05, 3:09am	#6
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Mon, 19th Sep '05, 4:05pm	#8
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Wed, 21st Sep '05, 2:53am	#11
NonSequitur Gems: 19/31 Latest gem: Aquamarine Join Date: May 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,152 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 2,749 Level: 17 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 7.95% Daily Activity 2.46% Weekly Activity 0.35% Monthly Activity 1.58% Achievements	It'd be too early to say "greatest game series ever", since it's only two games in (with a third undoubtedly in the works). It has the potential to be that good, though. Time will tell, although I have to agree that the FF series is, for longevity and quality, very hard to match. The QfG series is also a hard act to follow, although I never played QfG 5. ------------------------------ potential spoilers I greatly enjoyed KOTOR, especially the dialogues, NPC interactions (although I thought the romance for female PCs was a bit of a dud, unless you were evil) and the general all-round spiffiness of using lightsabers. The romance for male PCs was, in my opinion, much more linear than the ones in BG2, yet it was at least as well-written and believable, and very enjoyable no matter the ultimate outcome. My personal favourite NPC from KOTOR was HK-47; it was something of a pity that even though he's in KOTOR 2, he's not the droid he used to be. The conversation interjections he made were hilarious, and typically involved a desire to engage in some gratuitous violence, or to push you towards it with a hopeful tone of voice. The Tanis interjection was, IMO, one of the best dialogues in the game ("Negative - I just don't like organic meatbags. Uh, except for the master, of course. Ha ha."), closely followed by the repair dialogues about his former owners.
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Sat, 17th Sep '05, 9:42pm	#1
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Sat, 17th Sep '05, 11:48pm	#2
chevalier SPS Account Holder Senior News Editor Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: I wish I were in the land of coffee... Posts: 16,686 Like: 2 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post vBActivity - Stats XP: 62,754 Level: 62 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 24.51% Daily Activity 2.46% Weekly Activity 0.35% Monthly Activity 1.58% Achievements	Yes, KotOR is awesome. Awesome, I'm telling you. As was my Scout/Consular (Revan) and my Consular/Jedi Master (Exile) who pwned everyone in melee without trying hard. I loved the dialogues in KotOR 1. Perhaps they were somewhat better technically in 2. Generally, 2 was different. A bit like a different kind of game. Can't say which one I prefer but maybe even actually 1. Again, don't hold me to this. And KotOR 3 seems to be already in the making, to answer your question. It's definitely going to come out.

Sun, 18th Sep '05, 1:57am	#3
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Sun, 18th Sep '05, 1:07pm	#5
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Mon, 19th Sep '05, 3:43pm	#7
Sparhawk the Pandion Gems: 14/31 Latest gem: Chrysoberyl Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 665 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 1,711 Level: 13 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 87.2% Daily Activity 2.46% Weekly Activity 0.35% Monthly Activity 1.58% Achievements	I don't think at 2 games it can be best series ever (I personally think that QfG held its quality for 5 games, so I pick that). However it's certainly one of the best series of the past few years, and I'm looking forward to any KotOR 3.

Mon, 19th Sep '05, 4:30pm	#9
Drugar And now... we wait! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: the Netherlands Posts: 299 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 1,002 Level: 10 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 95.84% Daily Activity 2.46% Weekly Activity 0.35% Monthly Activity 1.58% Achievements	I played the second KotOR game shortly after finishing the first. The thing I didn't like was that the story didn't continue. Ywes, there was a reference to Revan in the game, but not as prominent as I hoped for. I understand the reasons for this though. Furthermore I like the first game more than the second.

Mon, 19th Sep '05, 8:21pm	#10
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Wed, 21st Sep '05, 5:58pm	#12
Sparhawk the Pandion Gems: 14/31 Latest gem: Chrysoberyl Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 665 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 1,711 Level: 13 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 87.2% Daily Activity 2.46% Weekly Activity 0.35% Monthly Activity 1.58% Achievements	'1% chance of imminent violence. Though that may just be wishful thinking on my part, master.' HK-47 is great

Wed, 21st Sep '05, 6:14pm	#13
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Wed, 21st Sep '05, 6:28pm	#14
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Wed, 21st Sep '05, 9:42pm	#16
Alavin If I wanted your view, I'd read your entrails Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Kent, England Posts: 931 Blog Entries: 4 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 2,501 Level: 16 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 37.98% Daily Activity 2.46% Weekly Activity 0.35% Monthly Activity 1.58% Achievements	Thanks a lot! I've saved that to a txt file for next time.

Tue, 4th Oct '05, 3:45am	#17
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Tue, 4th Oct '05, 4:57am	#18
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