Experience based spawns

Extremist · Tue, 17th Apr '01, 3:24pm

Some of us mentioned experience based spawns in BG2 trully unrelated to lich locations topic on http://www.sorcerers.net/ubb/Forum2/HTML/001944.html

So, I installed BG2 again and did some research about it. The whole thing is a spoiler so don't read if you decided to skip spoilers. Can't remember official patch version I got, but BGmain.exe properties reads version "2, 0, 0, 2", so if something is missing, please add.

BG2 contains 12 different spawn triggers based on experience. These triggers are in fact traps with detection and removal difficulty 100 and you'll have to discover their exact positions in area by yourself. Spawns depend on these protagonist's experience itervals:
min - 399.999 spawn1
400.000 - 999.999 spawn2
1.000.000 - 1.999.999 spawn3
2.000.000 - max spawn4

12 possible triggers are spawning monsters as follows:

1. Beholder spawn
spawn1 1 Gauth
spawn2 3 Gauths
spawn3 2 Gauths, 1 Beholder
spawn4 2 Gauths, 3 Beholders

2. Undead spawn
spawn1 1 Skeleton Warrior, 2 Shadows
spawn2 2 Skeleton Warriors, 2 Shadow Fiends
spawn3 2 Skeleton Warriors, 1 Greater Mummy, 1 Bone Golem
spawn4 2 Skeleton Warriors, 2 Greater Mummys, 1 Lich

3. Drow spawn (all creatures are Drow)
spawn1 2 Warrior, 1 Wizard, 1 Priestess
spawn2 3 Warriors, 1 Priestess (but harder than spawn1)
spawn3 1 Warrior, 1 Wizard, 4 Priestesses
spawn4 1 Wizard, 6 Priestesses

4. Golem spawn
spawn1 1 Stone Golem
spawn2 2 Stone Golems
spawn3 2 Stone Golems, 1 Iron Golem, 1 Clay Golem
spawn4 2 Stone Golems, 1 Adamantite Golem

5. Illithid spawn
spawn1 1 Mind Flayer
spawn2 2 Mind Flayers
spawn3 2 Mind Flayers, 1 Ulitharid, 1 Umberhulk
spawn4 1 Mind Flayer, 3 Ulitharids, 2 Umberhulks

6. Mix spawn
spawn1 1 Fire Salamander, 1 Ice Salamander
spawn2 1 Fire Salamander, 1 Ice Salamander, 1 Yuan-Ti Mage
spawn3 1 Minotaur, 5 Umberhulks
spawn4 2 Yuan-Ti, 1 Greater Yuan-Ti, 3 Yuan-Ti Mages

7. Orc and Rakshasa spawn low
spawn1 3 Orc Warriors, 1 Orog, 1 Orc Priest
spawn2 2 Orc Warriors, 2 Orogs, 1 Orc Priest, 1 Orc Mage
spawn3 1 Orc Warrior, 2 Orogs, 1 Orc Priest, 1 Ruhk, 1 Rakshasa
spawn4 4 Orogs, 1 Rajah, 1 Maharajah

8. Orc and Rakshasa spawn high
spawn1 1 Rakshasa
spawn2 2 Rakshasa, 3 Ogre
spawn3 2 Orogs, 2 Ruhks, 1 Rajah
spawn4 2 Rajahs, 2 Maharajahs

9. Kuo-Toa spawn (all creatures are Kuo-Toa)
spawn1 3 Warriors
spawn2 4 Warriors, 1 Whip, 1 Monitor
spawn3 1 Warrior, 1 Lieutenant, 1 Priest, 1 Wizard, 1 Whip, 1 Monitor
spawn4 1 Warrior, 1 Priest, 1 Wizard, 1 Whip, 3 Monitors

10. Troll spawn
spawn1 1 Troll, 2 Ice Trolls
spawn2 4 Trolls
spawn3 3 Trolls, 1 Giant Troll, 1 Spectral Troll
spawn4 5 Trolls (3 fast ones)

11. Vampire spawn
spawn1 2 Vampires
spawn2 5 Vampires
spawn3 6 Vampires (1 immune to +2 weapons and lower)
spawn4 6 Vampires (3 immune to +2 weapons and lower)

12. Wolfwere spawn
spawn1 2 Wolfweres
spawn2 4 Wolfweres
spawn3 3 Wolfweres, 2 Dread Wolfs, 1 Greater Wolfwere
spawn4 2 Dread Wolfs, 1 Greater Wolfwere

These are areas you'll find experience based triggers (can't remember area names, so I used descriptions):

1. Temple District catacombs where statue hand grows from earth
Unseeing Eye's Keep
Beholder Base entered from Underdark (two triggers)

2. Hut near Unseeing Eye's Keep where undead dwell
Ruined Temple underground to find Shadow Lord (two triggers)
Second area of Spellhold Dungeon (where kobolds worship a crystal)

3. Underdark

4. Inside Plannar sphere
Power Core area of Plannar Sphere (two triggers)
Maze that leads to Firkraag's Lair (two triggers)
Suldanessellar (two triggers)

5. In Illithid Base entered from Underdark (two triggers)

6. Plannar Prison (two triggers)
Mekrath's Keep entered from Temple District sewers
First area of Spellhold dungeon

7. couldn't find it anywhere

8. Suldanessellar

9. Underdark
Kuo-Toa Base entered from Underdark (here is exit to surface also)

10. D'Arnise Stronghold in performing Nalia's quest (one on ground floor, one on first floor)
Area with Druid Grove

11. Bodhi's lair when you return to deal her for good (two triggers)
Maze that leads to Firkraag's Lair

12. Maze that leads to Firkraag's Lair

There is also XP related spawn that is triggered when you enter underground at Ruined Temple to find Shadow Lord (I think you must be ranger for this). Besides other monsters you'll find these depending of experience:
300.000 - 999.999 2 Fire Salamanders, 1 Wraith, 1 Skeleton Warrior
1.000.000 - max 2 Spectres, 1 Wraith, 1 Glabrezu

Sorry for *****y looking of this message, but AI replaced all my TABs with one simple SPACE. Damn!

[This message has been edited by Extremist (edited June 21, 2001).]

Modjahed · Tue, 17th Apr '01, 4:37pm

That is neat. Great job, Extremist!

Draco Vlasavius · Tue, 17th Apr '01, 4:42pm

Excellent, it makes a lot of sense however. These spawns should be based on XP to make it more challenging. In fact some of those spawn4's should pop up for a low level party occasionally, to make BG2 more difficult!

Great job there.

Big B · Tue, 17th Apr '01, 6:06pm

Thanks for doing this as I have wondered a lot about this stuff.

Igneous · Tue, 17th Apr '01, 6:33pm

Wow, great job! How did you find out? Are you a programmer yourself or something? All pieces fall in their places with this!

Tue, 17th Apr '01, 7:45pm

Very good job.

BTW, where's your friend, Hamburger?

bgp

Ragusa · Tue, 17th Apr '01, 7:49pm

I totally agree - excellent work

Extremist · Wed, 18th Apr '01, 12:10am

Thanx guys.

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Tue, 17th Apr '01, 3:24pm	#1
Extremist Gems: 31/31 Latest gem: Rogue Stone Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Croatia Posts: 4,366 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 9,534 Level: 29 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 22.63% Daily Activity 2.26% Weekly Activity 1.29% Monthly Activity 1.51% Achievements	Some of us mentioned experience based spawns in BG2 trully unrelated to lich locations topic on http://www.sorcerers.net/ubb/Forum2/HTML/001944.html So, I installed BG2 again and did some research about it. The whole thing is a spoiler so don't read if you decided to skip spoilers. Can't remember official patch version I got, but BGmain.exe properties reads version "2, 0, 0, 2", so if something is missing, please add. BG2 contains 12 different spawn triggers based on experience. These triggers are in fact traps with detection and removal difficulty 100 and you'll have to discover their exact positions in area by yourself. Spawns depend on these protagonist's experience itervals: min - 399.999 spawn1 400.000 - 999.999 spawn2 1.000.000 - 1.999.999 spawn3 2.000.000 - max spawn4 12 possible triggers are spawning monsters as follows: 1. Beholder spawn spawn1 1 Gauth spawn2 3 Gauths spawn3 2 Gauths, 1 Beholder spawn4 2 Gauths, 3 Beholders 2. Undead spawn spawn1 1 Skeleton Warrior, 2 Shadows spawn2 2 Skeleton Warriors, 2 Shadow Fiends spawn3 2 Skeleton Warriors, 1 Greater Mummy, 1 Bone Golem spawn4 2 Skeleton Warriors, 2 Greater Mummys, 1 Lich 3. Drow spawn (all creatures are Drow) spawn1 2 Warrior, 1 Wizard, 1 Priestess spawn2 3 Warriors, 1 Priestess (but harder than spawn1) spawn3 1 Warrior, 1 Wizard, 4 Priestesses spawn4 1 Wizard, 6 Priestesses 4. Golem spawn spawn1 1 Stone Golem spawn2 2 Stone Golems spawn3 2 Stone Golems, 1 Iron Golem, 1 Clay Golem spawn4 2 Stone Golems, 1 Adamantite Golem 5. Illithid spawn spawn1 1 Mind Flayer spawn2 2 Mind Flayers spawn3 2 Mind Flayers, 1 Ulitharid, 1 Umberhulk spawn4 1 Mind Flayer, 3 Ulitharids, 2 Umberhulks 6. Mix spawn spawn1 1 Fire Salamander, 1 Ice Salamander spawn2 1 Fire Salamander, 1 Ice Salamander, 1 Yuan-Ti Mage spawn3 1 Minotaur, 5 Umberhulks spawn4 2 Yuan-Ti, 1 Greater Yuan-Ti, 3 Yuan-Ti Mages 7. Orc and Rakshasa spawn low spawn1 3 Orc Warriors, 1 Orog, 1 Orc Priest spawn2 2 Orc Warriors, 2 Orogs, 1 Orc Priest, 1 Orc Mage spawn3 1 Orc Warrior, 2 Orogs, 1 Orc Priest, 1 Ruhk, 1 Rakshasa spawn4 4 Orogs, 1 Rajah, 1 Maharajah 8. Orc and Rakshasa spawn high spawn1 1 Rakshasa spawn2 2 Rakshasa, 3 Ogre spawn3 2 Orogs, 2 Ruhks, 1 Rajah spawn4 2 Rajahs, 2 Maharajahs 9. Kuo-Toa spawn (all creatures are Kuo-Toa) spawn1 3 Warriors spawn2 4 Warriors, 1 Whip, 1 Monitor spawn3 1 Warrior, 1 Lieutenant, 1 Priest, 1 Wizard, 1 Whip, 1 Monitor spawn4 1 Warrior, 1 Priest, 1 Wizard, 1 Whip, 3 Monitors 10. Troll spawn spawn1 1 Troll, 2 Ice Trolls spawn2 4 Trolls spawn3 3 Trolls, 1 Giant Troll, 1 Spectral Troll spawn4 5 Trolls (3 fast ones) 11. Vampire spawn spawn1 2 Vampires spawn2 5 Vampires spawn3 6 Vampires (1 immune to +2 weapons and lower) spawn4 6 Vampires (3 immune to +2 weapons and lower) 12. Wolfwere spawn spawn1 2 Wolfweres spawn2 4 Wolfweres spawn3 3 Wolfweres, 2 Dread Wolfs, 1 Greater Wolfwere spawn4 2 Dread Wolfs, 1 Greater Wolfwere These are areas you'll find experience based triggers (can't remember area names, so I used descriptions): 1. Temple District catacombs where statue hand grows from earth Unseeing Eye's Keep Beholder Base entered from Underdark (two triggers) 2. Hut near Unseeing Eye's Keep where undead dwell Ruined Temple underground to find Shadow Lord (two triggers) Second area of Spellhold Dungeon (where kobolds worship a crystal) 3. Underdark 4. Inside Plannar sphere Power Core area of Plannar Sphere (two triggers) Maze that leads to Firkraag's Lair (two triggers) Suldanessellar (two triggers) 5. In Illithid Base entered from Underdark (two triggers) 6. Plannar Prison (two triggers) Mekrath's Keep entered from Temple District sewers First area of Spellhold dungeon 7. couldn't find it anywhere 8. Suldanessellar 9. Underdark Kuo-Toa Base entered from Underdark (here is exit to surface also) 10. D'Arnise Stronghold in performing Nalia's quest (one on ground floor, one on first floor) Area with Druid Grove 11. Bodhi's lair when you return to deal her for good (two triggers) Maze that leads to Firkraag's Lair 12. Maze that leads to Firkraag's Lair There is also XP related spawn that is triggered when you enter underground at Ruined Temple to find Shadow Lord (I think you must be ranger for this). Besides other monsters you'll find these depending of experience: 300.000 - 999.999 2 Fire Salamanders, 1 Wraith, 1 Skeleton Warrior 1.000.000 - max 2 Spectres, 1 Wraith, 1 Glabrezu Sorry for *****y looking of this message, but AI replaced all my TABs with one simple SPACE. Damn! [This message has been edited by Extremist (edited June 21, 2001).]

Tue, 17th Apr '01, 4:37pm	#2
Modjahed Gems: 14/31 Latest gem: Chrysoberyl Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Minsc! .... 8-[ ] Posts: 620 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 1,973 Level: 14 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 76.52% Daily Activity 2.26% Weekly Activity 1.29% Monthly Activity 1.51% Achievements	That is neat. Great job, Extremist!

Tue, 17th Apr '01, 4:42pm	#3
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Tue, 17th Apr '01, 6:06pm	#4
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Tue, 17th Apr '01, 6:33pm	#5
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Tue, 17th Apr '01, 7:45pm	#6
biggreenpriest Guest Posts: n/a vBActivity - Stats XP: 0 Level: 1 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 0% Daily Activity 0% Weekly Activity 0% Monthly Activity 0%	Very good job. BTW, where's your friend, Hamburger? bgp

Tue, 17th Apr '01, 7:49pm	#7
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Wed, 18th Apr '01, 12:10am	#8
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